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Old 07-22-2010, 06:21 PM
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I have a very nice model 60 no dash, 38 special only. I carry it all the time. My question is I am torn between selling it or trading it for the model 60 357. I don,t know if it would be worth it or not. I don,t know how bad the 357s recoil compared to the 38 +p loads would be, and as far as the different dimensions and weights? Anybody have ideas or gone through this before? Thoughts, opinions?
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Old 07-22-2010, 07:13 PM
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Yes, I went through it. I wanted it for CC with the Speer short barrel .357 loads, as they produce energy roughly equivalent to the 45 APC and have a lesser chance of over penetration than full house 357’s.

I have large hands and the wood stocks beat up my hand. I put on rubber Hogue stocks and that helped. I sent it to S&W for porting and they sent it to Magna Port for their Quadra porting. That helped but the gun still rotated in my hand more than I liked due to the short stocks and the abbreviated grip they provided. I then found a pair of Pachmayr stocks that were long enough for my hand to get a full grip on the gun. It is now my favorite and handles full house loads well, although a 4” K frame .38 will return to point of aim slightly quicker for a second shot.
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If it was me I'd keep what you have and be content at the 38 +p level. I have a model 60 3" in 357 mag, though I have not shot 357s in it. With my lighter J frame, 340pd I always stay at the 38 +p level(or below). I just wouldn't go through the sell/buy hassle & cost just for the 357 option. Look at it as an opportunity to ADD when the right deal is presented.
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I know this opinion has caused a lot of controversy but I am not confident that a .38 or anything smaller will do what needs to be done. If a .22 is all you have it beats a knife. I also realize that over penetration can be a liability with the larger calibers in an urban setting. We all must take what info we can gather and go with what we believe in.
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Old 07-23-2010, 02:39 PM
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I sometimes fire 357 in my Model 60. Recoil isn't too bad IMHO, but I feel comfortable loading it with 38+P for SD, so I do. If 158 grains going 1000 fps (Buffalo Bore) doesn't penetrate or create a decent hole, then it just wasn't my day. The 2 inch barrel 357 adds a couple hundred feet per second, but I doubt that is enough to make a big difference.

However, if you aren't comfortable carrying 38+P ammo for SD, then you NEED to trade up. I wouldn't carry what I didn't trust.

The Model 60 shoots fine with 357 unless you are recoil sensitive. If you are, add a few ounces by going with the Ruger SP101, or go to a 3" barrel. I haven't tried it (yet) but have read lots of good things about them.
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I know this opinion has caused a lot of controversy but I am not confident that a .38 or anything smaller will do what needs to be done. If a .22 is all you have it beats a knife. I also realize that over penetration can be a liability with the larger calibers in an urban setting. We all must take what info we can gather and go with what we believe in.
A 500 won't do what needs to be done if you're not proficient at shot placement. I am more than confident that a .38 will do the job, as long as you can put the lead where it needs to go. As for selling/trading the .38 Mod 60 for a .357 Mod 60, I wouldn't. I don't like the recoil of a .357 in a J frame. But, that's just me.
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FWIW both of my Model 60s are .38s; I greatly prefer them to the .357 models, for a number of reasons.

My current carry round is the Speer 135 grain Gold Dot Short Barrel. If hitting a bad guy with one of those didn't do the job, hitting the same spot with a .357 round probably wouldn't have made much of a difference (IMHO, of course). Furthermore, if the first round missed its mark I'm more likely to get a second (or third) chance when shooting .38s.

But if I were to be completely honest, the primary reason I stick with .38s is because the combination of the .38 Special round and the J frame just seems "right" to me. If I get the urge to shoot .357s, I'll step up to an L frame.
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Both of my model 60's are also 38's and with proper ammunition they're all I require. Should I feel the need for a compact .357 my Ruger sp101 3 inch is the lightest/smallest revolver I want for that caliber. In my opinion keep your model 60 in .38. They are great revolvers and the one I most use.
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I have a 60 no dash (.38) and a 60-9 (.357). I have run .357 rounds through the 60-9 and the recoil isn't extreme (still not fun), but the follow up shots are a little slower to get on target. The right grips are a most for recoil control. I carry 158 grn SWC +P. The velocity isn't there from the 2" barrel, but I like the bullet.
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It's allways been my opinion, it's not what you have in the pipe.....it is the placement of the projectile.....yes, a 45acp does do more damage than a .22, but the latter will kill the same as the 45.

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There is only three things you have to worry about, placement, placement and placement.
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I have a 2" model 60 .38 that became my bedside gun (took the place of my old M36) when I got a 3" heavy barrel M60-15 .357 for a carry gun. Then I picked up a 2 1/2" M60-14 that's the best of both worlds w/ a fat shrouded barrel but still small enough to carry in my pocket. The recoil from the 3' w/ rubber grips is not bad w/ any load (but I'm a 220 lb. sawed off gorilla); the 2 1/2" w/ .357+P's is brutal! I like having the extra power of a .357 when I'm out in the hills... sure glad I had a .357 instead of a .38 the day 2 mountain lions came after me!
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Old 07-24-2010, 12:54 AM
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I think, as some others have stated, that since you already have the model 60 .38, I would just keep it. I have a model 60-9, and a model 60-10, both of which are 357's, but I still only use them with 38 +p's. I know they are very capable of shooting the 357 cartridge, and many people use them for that. To me, though, I am satisfied with several .38 +p loads. Having said all that, however, I don't see a downside if you were to trade for one of the .357 j-frames. I like mine, and I just look at them as very durable 38's, with 357 capability. You'd be fine either way. wyatte
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Old 07-24-2010, 02:10 AM
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You will lose money in the trade, you'd be better off buying more .38 ammo and doing more practice.

The Gold Dot and DPX snub loads available in .38 +P are very good ammo when it comes to "stopping power".
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