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Old 08-08-2010, 10:47 AM
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This thread has done nothing to quench my lust (yes, that's what it amounts to) for a 3" 686 but, alas, I foresee some strong and stern resistance from the missus when I broach the subject. Can any of you seasoned collectors offer some neverfail reasoning and/or justification for adding to the S&W family? "Aw, c'mon, Hon..." and "I need a new revolver" have not worked to date.

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Old 08-08-2010, 11:18 AM
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This thread has done nothing to quench my lust (yes, that's what it amounts to) for a 3" 686 but, alas, I foresee some strong and stern resistance from the missus when I broach the subject. Can any of you seasoned collectors offer some neverfail reasoning and/or justification for adding to the S&W family? "Aw, c'mon, Hon..." and "I need a new revolver" have not worked to date.

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Man I was bidding on the auction mentioned in post #1 but the bidding war went beyond what a used no box/papers 3" CS-1 is worth to me. I was very fortunate though because as a result I managed to find something even better (well to me anyways) I just scored a Birdsong 3" 681 PC W/Case and moon clips. It will be my first revolver, can't wait to get it!

I still want a nice pre-lock SS 3" 686, there is a gun show around here September 17th and I'll be on the prowl.
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Or in my case the wife hates guns, wants nothing to do with them. As long as there is money in the bank for whatever else.
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Okay, now get ready for a real massive 3"-er collection:


(Get ready...)




Okay, so all I have is one - a 696. Now, count 2.5" & up - and - I can add it's sibling - my 296 - and the 2 5/8" PC627. I've got a few 4"-er, however. Gads - I really don't have much of a collection, do I? Now, belly button lint, that I have a collection of!!

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As always, great posts/pics. My wife used to bow her back too, but with the new CCW law in AZ, and the border issues (as well as the three convicted murderers who escaped from prison in AZ, and may have killed a couple in NM) she's wanting to carry. I just happened to mention I would give my 638, which she likes, to her, but I will have to replace it with another Airweight. Shopping as we speak!
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Old 08-09-2010, 12:28 AM
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Just posted this in a another thread - the 66 3" is a winner - I prefer it to the 3" 13/65 or 10/64 ... but I was lucky enough to pick up a couple of those this last year:





...note the 3" 547 9mm in the upper right corner -- now *that* is a 3" K-frame I like as much as the 3" 66! Very accurate -- I've done some relatively long-range shooting (75 yard shooting at a 1 liter can) with it out on some nearby BLM land and it really surprised me.

The other two are a Model 64 and model 13.

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ETA: oh what the heck - may as well include the 3" Model 60 which I love; picked it up from a friend along with the Model 64 pictures above. This a fun little shooter!

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Old 08-09-2010, 01:39 AM
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Here is a 13 that is new in the box.

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for the guys lusting after the 3in smiths, they are cheap compared to 3in pythons.
maybe 8 or 9 years ago i passed on a 3 inch python shooter at 1,100... probly should have done it, havent seen one before or since.

i like my 3 inch 13 and 3 inch ladysmith and 2.5 inch 66. alos a 3.5 inch 27 and 3inch 29.

the 29 is a boomer but the ladysmith is ideal, underlugged, combat sights and stainless.

this is cuurently my favorite 3 incher. somebody hacked it a loooong time ago and added the pre war magnas. its still reasonably accurate, blasting milk jugs at 25 + yeards is not tough at all i imagin minute of ATM should be no chore.

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Here's my heavily carried and shot Sokol Custom 3" M13, along with the 2-1/2" P&R M66 he built for me, too. Karl built a 3" M65 for me when I turned 21, and I foolishly sold it.

I also have a 3" M64, and a Performance Center M66 F-Comp, but the PC work doesn't come close to Karl's (chestnutmountainsports.com).

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Are J-frame allowed to play too ?
This is my 3" .357 Mag. model 60-9.



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Love those 3-inchers! That Sokol work is fine!
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I have a three inch 65, 66 and 686 CS-1. I always carry one of them . Like them a lot.
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My 29-8 Talo 3" with shooting and carry grips, pretty grips are in gun safe. I'm waiting for Bullseye Smith plug to arrive and replace a lock, then it will be ready for carry or HD use.

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Man I was bidding on the auction mentioned in post #1 but the bidding war went beyond what a used no box/papers 3" CS-1 is worth to me. I was very fortunate though because as a result I managed to find something even better (well to me anyways) I just scored a Birdsong 3" 681 PC W/Case and moon clips. It will be my first revolver, can't wait to get it!

I still want a nice pre-lock SS 3" 686, there is a gun show around here September 17th and I'll be on the prowl.
I too was bidding on that auction, but it got beyond what I'm willing to spend this week. I can't believe that other auction went over 1200! A friend of mine was telling me just a few weeks ago that he had a CS1 that he sold for practically nothing. He is kicking himself now.
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here's a pic of the 66-4 i mentioned in an earlier post...since you asked so nicely

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Are those spegel grips standard boot grips (not covering the bottom) or extended (covering the bottom)? Either way they sure are nice!
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Thanks for posting some fine pictures of your 3 inch Smiths. Its "funny" how my wife and I started collecting 3 inch Smiths. In the mid 80's my wife purchase a Model 24, 3 inch "Lew Horton". My wife was much more comfortable with the Round Butt and Balance of the 3 inch. Well one thing leads to another, so next it was a 686 CS-1, 3 inch and then a 624, 3 inch "Lew Horton"....and on and on to this day with many more...but never enough 3 inchers.
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I have to say that I love the two Model 65's with 3-inch that I now have.
Too bad both my sons do, too......
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One of my dream guns I got here, Super K!


Lew Horton Limited, still have original grips and box...
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I guess if I'm ever going to get a 686+ in 3 inch it's going to have to be a new on as I can find none without the lock. I do like the looks of the new 7 shot pistols but don't care for the lock. It's either go that route or maybe the GP-100. IF you find a pre-lock one it's probably been shot to death.
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I guess if I'm ever going to get a 686+ in 3 inch it's going to have to be a new on as I can find none without the lock. I do like the looks of the new 7 shot pistols but don't care for the lock. It's either go that route or maybe the GP-100. IF you find a pre-lock one it's probably been shot to death.
Well a member here, Bullseye Smith, sells a nice plug to fill the hole after removing the lock. I have bought three from him, and they are great.
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Well a member here, Bullseye Smith, sells a nice plug to fill the hole after removing the lock. I have bought three from him, and they are great.
The problem with that is, from what I've read, you can get into deep doo-doo with the prosecution for tampering with safety devices should anything occur that could put you on the defensive side of the law. As I understand that scenario, it's actually happened.
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The problem with that is, from what I've read, you can get into deep doo-doo with the prosecution for tampering with safety devices should anything occur that could put you on the defensive side of the law. As I understand that scenario, it's actually happened.
If a child accidentally shot himself with an altered gun, I'd believe it. If you shoot someone in self defense, the presence or absence of the flag isn't going to make a difference, unless your lawyer is REALLY bad. Just IMHO.
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The problem with that is, from what I've read, you can get into deep doo-doo with the prosecution for tampering with safety devices should anything occur that could put you on the defensive side of the law. As I understand that scenario, it's actually happened.
The anti-gun lawyers will try to blame the gun owner if you had the gun in a safe and got burglarized a the guy cracked your safe then shot himself when he stuck the gun in his pants.

Glad I don't live in a state like that, we have castle doctrine to property edge.
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If a child accidentally shot himself with an altered gun, I'd believe it. If you shoot someone in self defense, the presence or absence of the flag isn't going to make a difference, unless your lawyer is REALLY bad. Just IMHO.
Not true at all. Massad Ayoob recently wrote about a case he was involved in, which I believe is the one that ColColt was referring to. The case involved a clear cut defensive shooting during a car jacking in a parking lot. Since the vehicle was part of the crime schene, the officers seacrched the vehicle, finding a Browning Hi-Power which was not involved in the shooting in any way. In fact, it was in a case inside the vehicle.

For whatever reason, the BHP was also tested by the crime lab and found that the magazine disconnect was disabled. The gun owner's "recklessness" was brought up in court, since he was careless enough to disable a safety device, on a firearm he was not even carrying or using!

Yes, it can happen. I'll have to look back, but I believe this case happened in Texas.
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I have a "perfect" 4506-meaning it's never in 20 years failed to fire, failed to eject, failed to extract or go into battery neither has there been any feed ramp hangups or stove pipes. The ammo mattered not a whit what I fed it. However, it has a slide mounted safety(de-cocker) that I'd never disable. I like the feature. With one in the chamber and seven in the magazine with the safety on, it resides comfortably under my pillow each night and I feel good and rest peacefully with it there. It's take less than a heartbeat to reach under the pillow and move the safety down just like you would a condition one 1911. Moreover, I know it's not going to fail like an IL of current revolvers.

Possibilities of that happening? I don't have a clue as I've not ready anywhere the numbers of those out of say, 1000 or so, that have ever had the IL cause a lockup of trigger or hammer but, I don't know if I would want to chance it with a SD revolver.
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Not true at all. Massad Ayoob recently wrote about a case he was involved in, which I believe is the one that ColColt was referring to. The case involved a clear cut defensive shooting during a car jacking in a parking lot. Since the vehicle was part of the crime schene, the officers seacrched the vehicle, finding a Browning Hi-Power which was not involved in the shooting in any way. In fact, it was in a case inside the vehicle.

For whatever reason, the BHP was also tested by the crime lab and found that the magazine disconnect was disabled. The gun owner's "recklessness" was brought up in court, since he was careless enough to disable a safety device, on a firearm he was not even carrying or using!

Yes, it can happen. I'll have to look back, but I believe this case happened in Texas.
I respect Mr. Ayoob so I'll refrain from calling BS on this, but I will say that we're relying on this example way too much as a reason to worry about disabling the IL. First of all, the IL is not a "safety device" in the same sense that a magazine disconnect (or magazine "safety") is. It's a device used to prevent the unauthorized operation of the firearm while in storage.

I agree with BSMS that one could likely face civil and/or criminal liability relating to the negligent storage of a firearm if a child were injured or killed by a firearm with its IL disabled, although of course the same would apply to a firearm without an IL. Note to self: Don't store loaded guns where kids can reach them.

Criminal liability is another matter altogether. In my jurisdiction and many others, the sole relevant consideration is whether one was justified in using deadly force under the particular circumstances--period. Thus, the fact that an IL was disabled has no relevance to such a scenario. However, we still don't have enough information about the Ayoob example to know why the prosecutor saw fit to mention the disabling of the magazine disconnect, or why the evidence was allowed into the record. There are situations where this might be proper, but I'd love to know how a gun secured in a case could fall into this category. I'm also shocked to hear that this case was in Texas, but I guess we still don't know that for sure. You also describe the situation as a "clear cut defensive shooting," which begs the question why there was a manslaughter charge in the first place.

I'm not a CCW instructor or a LEO, nor do I play one on TV. I'm an experienced criminal defense attorney and not the only one on the forum to express skepticism about this story.

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I guess I need to get pictures of my two 3" inchers. I've got a 65-5 and a 629-6 Performance Center. I love them both for carry and HD.
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You guys that CCW the 629 are better then me, I guess at 65 my packing heavy duty firepower walking around all day is way behind me now.

But I think I might get a holster for mine an try this winter.
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Guilty!

I have two S&W 3" revolvers, and I love 'em both.

#1 is a blued Model 13-1 round butt

#2 is a blued Model 36-1 round butt

Both are very nice handling, nice shooting revolvers that are "just right."

I'd like to add a Model 64 and a Model 10, but they're scarce and pricey.
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I still have the 65LS but should never have sold the F Comp. I used to have a 3" L Comp but also traded that away. If I find a pic I'll post that as well.
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I am soooooooooooo lucky that I got my 3 inch M66 and 696 when I did
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There's only two reasons that the 3" Smith revolvers command more money . . .

1. They look great

2. They shoot great

3. They handle well!

(Gee . . . that's three reasons but there are many others too!!!)

I'd have more too if I could find 'em!!!

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I have one, too, and when I looked at the sales receipt, it's hard to believe I bought it almost 29 years ago.

It's a 65-2, pinned and recessed, that has been my most versatile carry gun for all those many years.
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Post #21 here Legal ramifications for removal of mag safety - THR is Ayoob discussing the much-garbled and misreported Hi-power case. Mr. Ayoob is a gun writer so makes at least a portion of his living writing about stuff, whether or not it really deserves publication. Gotta fill those column inches. I worry more about asteroid impacts than prosecution following a clean shooting. To each his own.
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Tom Turner,
that blued, stag-stocked 25-2 is just, well, I, uh........
It leaves me speechless.
You guys and these blued revolvers have begun a concerning trend. I've purchased a 442 (I know, alum, not bluedsteel), and SHOULD be picking up a LNIB 27-2 today. Got plans for a 4" 29 of some sort.......

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Post #21 here Legal ramifications for removal of mag safety - THR is Ayoob discussing the much-garbled and misreported Hi-power case. Mr. Ayoob is a gun writer so makes at least a portion of his living writing about stuff, whether or not it really deserves publication. Gotta fill those column inches. I worry more about asteroid impacts than prosecution following a clean shooting. To each his own.
Thanks for bringing this to our attention as here Mr. Ayoob explains that the case in question (which appears to have occurred in Miami, FL and not Texas) involved a manslaughter charge arising from an accidental shooting--not a defensive shooting. Thus, recklessness could well have been a factor even if a modified gun being carried in a case would seem irrelevant at first blush. Mr. Ayoob also points out that in this case the issue of the disabled safety device was never argued in court, but the prosecutor felt it was a "huge deal" and was prepared to argue it. We'll never know whether this attempt would have been successful, but I doubt it.

The best information available to us suggests that the foregoing example in no way establishes a basis for criminal liability arising from disabling the IL on a defensive firearm legitimately used for that purpose.

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Maybe a good time to get rid of my 29-4
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Post #21 here Legal ramifications for removal of mag safety - THR is Ayoob discussing the much-garbled and misreported Hi-power case. Mr. Ayoob is a gun writer so makes at least a portion of his living writing about stuff, whether or not it really deserves publication. Gotta fill those column inches. I worry more about asteroid impacts than prosecution following a clean shooting. To each his own.
Thanks for posting that. I stand corrected. That's what I get for trying to post details about an article I read from memory!
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I'm suddenly feeling very lucky - just picked up a 3", round butt, Model 13-4 in about 98% condition at a weekend show for $380. It sat on the table all weekend at $420 with no action. No box or papers but -----.
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Yep, just got a new holster made by Wyatt Burp here on the forum for it. Been known to tote it.

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I'm suddenly feeling very lucky - just picked up a 3", round butt, Model 13-4 in about 98% condition at a weekend show for $380. It sat on the table all weekend at $420 with no action. No box or papers but -----.
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my current 3" stainless guns. My 3" 13 wasnt with me when I took this pic. I love them all.
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