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Old 08-18-2010, 03:34 PM
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Just curious, because I am looking. Why are S&W Revolvers hard to find? Thanks.
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I think it is a combination of factors.
* First, they are well made, high quality .22s (can't always say that with some .22s), and people that have them tend to not want to get rid of them...
* Also, with the big increase in the cost of ammo, .22s have become much more popular to those that don't want to spend their entire paycheck on ammo.
* Finally, they don't make the old ones anymore, so as they become more popular, to more and more people, there are only so many to go around.

That's my two cents.
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Have a look at the current thread ".22 Long Rifle" for a related discussion.
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Supply limited (no new ones, well that are desirable anyway).
+Demand very high (especially with current ammo prices)= Very high prices when you can find them. God Bless America and the free market system. Joe
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They aren't. It just depends on where you're looking and what you're willing to pay.
Although I must say ,I've been looking for a decent model 18 for some time ,and haven't even SEEN one.
So yes, sometimes they are tough to find.

You should follow me around a show sometime.

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I had to call all over the state to find a 6" 617 back in July. Found one 100 miles away and paid a higher price than I wanted.
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I see plenty of .22lr S&W revolvers, they are just not at a price I'm willing to pay. Demand is up for the reasons already listed, and so are the prices. I recently found a 1953 kit gun at a good price and bought it. Now if I can find a 17, and a 63 at a decent price I'll be good to go.
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I agree with Allen and Guy.

They are readily available but the prices out going out of sight.

I was able to pick up a 17 and a couple of 34's earlier this year but it was due to the fact the individuals I bought from weren't out to make a killing and they had had them for a long time! I also have a 63 and 48 [22 magnum] which were purchased last year from an older gentleman who getting out of the gun collecting.

It is all about being at the right place at the right time.

Good luck in your search.
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Bud's has a 617 6". I think they had others a couple days ago.
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I just shot my new to me 617-3 tonight for the first time.
Can't figure why I waited so long. What a great gun!
Only drawback I can see, the double action's a little heavy.

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Because they only made a fraction as many in .22 as in the larger calibers.

S&W .22's, (along with any quality .22's). were always a hard sell to the average gun buyer. They actually listed for more than their centerfire counterparts. Joe Gunbuyer, reckoning that if the ammo was cheap, the gun should be cheap as well, usually wouldn't spring for what they cost.

It's a pity, as they missed out on the K-22's, Kit Guns, etc., that were worth every penny they cost.
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Ditto most of the above with a few other thoughts. "Will it stop a drug crazed felon in my bedroom at night with my wife and family" Let's be real. How often does that happen? Really? Probably 99% of all revolver rounds are at a target or tin can while camping and the .22 does that at a fraction of the cost of ANY other round.Period! If S&W made the 39 or the 59 auto in .22 or a conversion kit like the Colt ACE it would be a RED HOT seller for sure. It is such a no brainer. It is about cost of ammo for sure and everything else is WAY back in second place. "But I reload to keep costs down" Yea right. Powder measure? did I crimp the case? phone rings,,,,,Where is that mallet? Great for a special load for a once in a lifetime hunt, but 100-200 rounds
of informal plinking? No way! Almost as bad as standing in line for concert ticket or NASCAR race. Life is WAY too short to be a Lemming
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Because they only made a fraction as many in .22 as in the larger calibers.

S&W .22's, (along with any quality .22's). were always a hard sell to the average gun buyer. They actually listed for more than their centerfire counterparts. Joe Gunbuyer, reckoning that if the ammo was cheap, the gun should be cheap as well, usually wouldn't spring for what they cost.

It's a pity, as they missed out on the K-22's, Kit Guns, etc., that were worth every penny they cost.
Ditto and also old timers bought one 22 and kept it. I have my Dad's 3 screw 4 5/8" Ruger and my uncles 1950 High Standard. They were used and well maintained. When I was young I never saw a K-22. Cost did determine what folks bought.
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Bud's has a 617 6". I think they had others a couple days ago.
Saw those. They seem to keep 22lr Smiths in stock. They have several models now.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/a...R_list%5B0%5D=

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Its because you are looking, and maybe just a little too hard!

Rare treasures find you, not the other way around. The harder you look, the less you will see. Most gems appear when you least expect it.

Just pretend you're not looking and see what happens!!
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The Model 18s were so missed that S&W brought them back. I just lucked into a NIB 18-4 made in 1971, this thing looks like the day it left the factory so I'm hesitant to shoot it. The older ones are really beautifully made.
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Because some people think that others are hoarding them all.

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Mr. Green, what are those funny looking guns? And please don't tell me they are Model 35s because I looked it up; S&W Model 35s are semi-autos. I imagine those long, skinny barrels with no ribs or lugs will bend easily, N'est-ce pas?
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I had to call all over the state to find a 6" 617 back in July. Found one 100 miles away and paid a higher price than I wanted.
is this the 10-shot model? if you don't mind, how much did it go for?

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I've been looking for a new 4" 617 for a long time without success. I haven't done a massive interweb search, however, just check out the stores/shops here in NW Montana. I see 3" 317s fairly frequently, but no 617s at all and the shops claim that they are "real hard to get."
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budsgunshop.com currently has 10-shot Model 617s listed, 4" ($670 delivered) and 6" ($685 delivered), on the first Smith and Wesson revolver page.

They had the Classic 17 and 18 up a month or two back for about the same prices. Perhaps not for those who despise the IL but a better option if you don't have deep pockets.
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carbofan21 the NIB 6" 617 was $759 + bailout tax. Bought a NIB 4" last year for about $75 less.
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+1 on above, S&W doesn't make many new .22 LR revolvers, with the 617's and the "Classic" 17's combined. Demand for .22 handguns is at an all time high due to the economy and the price of ammo, and the options are very few for good quality .22 LR DA revolvers......actually the options are only S&W.

I also bent over and let Gander Mt. give it to me when I bought my 6" 617.......after all the BS fees I was in just over $800 on my 617......where I live S&W .22's are unobtanium so I "bit the bullet" because I wanted, no NEEDED a S&W .22 LR revolver! Luckily it turned out to be a good one, I haven't even had it 3 weeks yet and it's already got a couple thousand rounds on it.
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It's bad when just a few gundealers have the only candy around, and we want it!
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As buyers we get caught in the "supply vs. demand", demand for revolvers overall has increased, and so people are seeking out .22 LR revolvers, and the demand is exceeding the supply.

.22 LR revolvers are in demand because they can use pretty much any .22 LR you can stuff into the chambers, from shorts to ultra-hot ultra velocity stuff. Auto loading .22's are a lot more ammo sensitive and cannot use the low power stuff reliably.
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when I had the $$$ and was looking for a 617, only one place locally that I've ever dealt with had one. I was happy to pay what they were asking for it, and it was worth every penny.
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Oh yeah, I quickly forgot the gouging I had to take on the 617, sure I could have waited, maybe ordered one and waited months for it to come in while S&W makes another "batch" of them, or spent months looking for a lower price........but instead of looking and trying to save $100 I have been able to spend the last half of the summer shooting it!

I look at it this way, if I had fired a .38 Special out of one of my revolvers, instead of every .22 LR I fired this summer out of my 617 I would have spent hundreds of $'s on ammo and had to drive to the range, instead of stepping out into my backyard and shooting all day for $5.
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S&W 22 Caliber revolvers have been a hot item for the past 2 years and the prices have risen steadily on them because people like to shoot and center fire ammo prices are through the roof when you can find it. Once someone buys and shoots a S&W 22 revolver they are shocked that they didn't buy one earlier because they are very accurate and a blast to shoot. This usually leads to buying another, and then another, and well you get the picture. I represent this tale by the way
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What everyone else said. I aquired my 63, no-dash in early production times and it is the first S&W I ever purchased. It always goes to the range with me!
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They're well made .22's and loads of fun to shoot. Here are a couple of new ones I picked up in the past year or so. 617 and 63. The 617 took about 2 1/2 months from order to receipt but was well worth the wait; the 63 was much quicker. Both are great guns.

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If you check Gunbroker there are only a couple real Model 18s for sale (the ones with the locks don't count). The prices are pretty high too.

I've had one posted for sale for quite a while now, an 18-3 in decent shape. I'm asking what I paid, $525 + $50 shipping (overnight costs about $60), and have had some interest but no committment to buy. People must think that's too high, but I will keep it before I give it up for less. I thought it would sell before the K22 I had up for the same price, but that sold a couple weeks ago.
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Supply and demand, they are like finding a used Ruger 10-22, when have you seen one of them.
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S&W-Keeper, you are right about supply and demand, but the difference here is that if you can't find the 10-22 used, you just buy a new one for under $200 at the big-box sporting goods store. Someone said S&W is making the 18 again, but wouldn't it be different (not as well made) and include the lock?
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