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Old 08-19-2010, 06:36 PM
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We have a snake issue, mostly copperheads, and my 12 Gauge riot gun is overkill, I literally blew out a section of a snake close to shore. Is Speer shot load in .44 magnum adequate against snakes up to 6'? What about Speer .357?

Is the compensation porting on a .44 Model 629 Hunter compatible with shot load?

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Old 08-19-2010, 07:55 PM
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I reload my own .44 Special and .357 Magnum shotshells with #11 shot. I'm pretty confident either is adequate for snakes at 10 feet or less. Speer says the spinning shot column spreads at a rate of about 1" per foot, so it's not a long range proposition.

CCI loads the Speer shot cups with #9 shot. I like the improved density provided by the smaller #11 shot. YMMV.

CCI cautions against using shot shells in any handgun with porting.

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Old 08-19-2010, 08:05 PM
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Where are you shooting them? From a boat?
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Old 08-19-2010, 09:02 PM
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No, the one in the water was from shore, I was inside of 4 feet (Remington 870 Police Magnum 12 Gauge).

Last year I took my sons snake hunting at a catfish farm in Selma, Alabama. We saw so many snakes I was worried I was going to have nightmares. The guy hosting us provided .22's, and I learned with that caliber you have to shoot a snake in the head. Picture at the bottom of the page at: Photo Album!
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Old 08-20-2010, 04:12 AM
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I have loaded my own, back in the day, using the yellow Speer plastic capsules.

However since CCI/Speer had been offering them as a factory item I have been just using them.

I have used them in 9mm, 38 Special, 44 Mag and 45 ACP.

And I have used a few hundred of them.

The 45ACP and 44 Mag are the most effective, the wife and I have killed dozens of snakes, rabbits, squirrels, quail doves, grouse,[I like to eat small game] and I have even killed a porcipine [sp] with a 9mm. With the 44 I have killed ptarmargin in Alaska, and a few snakes in Africa.

Just in the last 2 weeks, here on our place the wife has killed 2 snakes with her 38 S&W Centennial, and I killed 2 with my 1911. All were Diamondback watersnakes over 40" long.

I find the CCI/Speer factory shotshells very effective. I never go into the field without a bunch of them.

With the 44 or 45 I have never had to shoot a snake more than twice, and I have killed some pretty BIG rattlers, as well as Cotton Mouth, and Copperheads.
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Old 08-20-2010, 04:20 AM
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I would give them a try in a pistol with Magna Port, or other "holes in the barrel", but I would NOT shoot them in ANY type of pistol that had a "Comp".

I found a couple of boxes that I had loaded for the 44 Mag dated 1976 [yes, ninteen seventysix] a few weeks ago, so I have been using them at least that long. They are loaded with No9 shot and 7.5gr of Unique in 44 Special cases.
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Old 08-20-2010, 09:54 AM
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I have used the CCI shotshells for the last 17 years and they have been very effective. I have used 9mm, .38 Special, .45 ACP, and .45 Colt. Currently, I only use the .38 Special and .45 Colt. IMO, the 9mm doesn't carry enough shot, and I don't shoot .45 ACP anymore. The .45 Colt is very effective on snakes and small vermin and is easy to shoot in either a Model 25 or a Colt SAA. Around my ranch, I generally load 2 rounds of shotshells backed by 3 or 4 LHP rounds (depending on the gun). I can't give an opinion on a ported barrel as I've never had one on a pistol.
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Old 08-20-2010, 10:18 AM
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Ok, so I can't use my PC 629 Hunter because of the compensation.

Big question: Speer says the shot column spreads at a rate of about 1" per foot. Does that spread rate increase if I'm using the 629 with a much shorter 2.625" barrel verses the 7.5" barrel I can't use due to compensation?

Thanks, that is all I'll need to know.
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Old 08-20-2010, 10:49 AM
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Wow. I guess I'll show my lack of experience with this ammo:

I just went on line to order .44 mag Speer shell shot at Able Ammo, and it was $15.36 for a box of ten. CCI was 15.49 for 10 at Northwest Shooter Supply in .44 magnum; and, $11.59 for .357/.38.

12 Gauge is less than half the price per round. Maybe it wasn't such a bad thing blowing Copperheads in half.

Is the less expensive .357 shot ammo adequate for burly snakes here in the South? Although that question is just academic since I don't have a .357 any more.

Okay, I'm over the shock, I'll go back on line later to order ten boxes of the .44 magnum shot load.

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Old 08-20-2010, 10:57 AM
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The shorter the barrel, the better the pattern and greater the effective distance. I use mostly from J frame 2" barrels, my own load with #12 shot built on John Taffin's load, and .44 spec from a 3" Mod 24.

Within 10 ft both work well. I think the reason they caution against use on ported barrels is the danger of tearing the plastic shot capsule in the ports and/or plugging up the ports.
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Old 08-20-2010, 11:18 AM
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The CCI/Speer shotshells work pretty good, and you just cannot always carry a 12ga around...
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Old 08-20-2010, 11:24 AM
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Wow. I guess I'll show my lack of experience with this ammo:

I just went on line to order .44 mag Speer shell shot at Able Ammo, and it was $15.36 for a box of ten. CCI was 15.49 for 10 at Northwest Shooter Supply in .44 magnum; and, $11.59 for .357/.38.

12 Gauge is less than half the price per round. Maybe it wasn't such a bad thing blowing Copperheads in half.

Is the less expensive .357 shot ammo adequate for burly snakes here in the South? Although that question is just academic since I don't have a .357 any more.

Okay, I'm over the shock, I'll go back on line later to order ten boxes of the .44 magnum shot load.

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I, too, have been using CCI (speer) shot cartridges since the 70s (I remember the old yellow ones very well). I reload .38 and .44 CCI shot capsules with #9 shot that I remove from cheapie shotgun shells. However, I've killed many more Rattlesnakes with .22 rimfire shot cartridges (24 in one day, some years ago) and they also work fine @ up to 5-6 feet. When I lived in Mobile I canoed the Escatava (sp) River in E. Miss. and killed lots of Cottonmouths with .38 CCI shot shells out of a Model 60. At that time most of the Snake Hunters that I knew used .410 shotguns which were a lot more effective at blowing the Cottonmouths out of trees while the hunters paddled down the River. For Copperheads, I think a 22 rimfire shot cartridge would do just fine. The CCI model with the tiny plastic capsule holds a bit more shot than the crimped ones from WW or Federal (31 vs 25 grains) but I can't tell the difference on a Rattler.

PS: A 22 MAG shot cartridge holds nearly twice the shot of a "regular" 22 and you CAN tell the difference with these.
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Old 08-20-2010, 11:30 AM
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The shorter the barrel, the better the pattern and greater the effective distance.
That's great to know, and for me that is counter-intuitive. I thought the longer barrel would have the tighter pattern and greater effective distance, but I guess in the longer barrel the shot has spun up more and flies apart at exit?

Anyway then, the 2.625" barrel on the 629 is perfect - although I have eyeing .357 PC 627 8 shot.
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Old 08-20-2010, 01:25 PM
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Regardless of what Speer says, the rate of spread is dependent on velocity & varies accordingly.
The faster the velocity, the quicker & larger the spread.

Rifling twist rate also affects the pattern size.
Faster twist, faster spread, larger pattern.

That's why snubs can produce tighter patterns at comparable distances than longer barrels.
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We have a lot of copperheads that love the porch on all sides of our house.
I keep a Trooper Mk III loaded with 38 speer shotshells. Have used a box and a half of them.
You don't have to aim, just point. It has never taken more than one shot. Best part is that I can't even find the places on the porch where I have killed them--no damage at all.
Still have the box for the ones I bought about 10 years ago. $3.00 at Wal-mart. The one I bought a few months ago-- $16.95.
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CCI loads the Speer shot cups with #9 shot. I like the improved density provided by the smaller #11 shot. YMMV.>>>>>>>>>>

Me too, in the .38/.357, and also #11 in the 45 Colt.

Either will absolutely "freeze" a snake under ten feet. They are truly DRT.
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