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Old 11-19-2010, 09:40 PM
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I'm commited sorta. I just want a 617 10 shot but is the cost worth it? Is this the Rolls Royce of .22's? Joe
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I think so. I love mine. My grandson thinks it's "one sweet revolver".
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$670 wouldn't even pay the sales tax on a Korth 22 revolver.

Yours is a steal if you look at it this way.
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It's a great gun and it'll outlive you, your kids, and their kids. Get it, enjoy it, and pass it on. (FYI: I sold a USED 617 for $700 this year.)
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Yes it is as far as Revlovers
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Look at it this way. In my area the only quality 38 spl. range ammo that can be found is American Eagle at a local range for 22 bucks per box of 50. That adds up to 220 for 500 rounds and doesn't include sales tax.

Contrast that with the 550 round bulk pack of Federal from Walmart for about 17 bucks.

In just about a year, assuming a consumption of 2000 rounds per year, you'll have paid for that 617. Of course the 617's are so much fun to shoot it's doubtful that you'll only shoot 2000 rounds in a year, 5 to 10 K is more likely.
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Old 11-20-2010, 01:39 AM
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It does seem like a lot for a .22 revolver, but trust me, these things are not going down in price... I'm sure S&W will have another increase in 2011, just like in past years, and given this economy, probably even higher...
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Sorry, but ain't no way I would pay that for a new 10 shot 617.

I just bought a 617 no dash for $550. It's stronger. Has a better trigger. And will outlast any new 617.

I did a search before buying and I saw that there have been a few problems with the newer 617's

No offense, but new Smith revolvers ain't what they used to be.
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Joebklyn,
Get yourself a 95% - 98% condition Model 18 (4" bbl.) or a Model 17 (6" bbl) from the 1970's or 80's and those are worth the price! Those two revolvers (IMHO) are just about the best .22 LR revolvers you can buy, and if you look real hard you can score one in excellent condition for about $450 - $600 bucks. They will last you a lifetime and then some, extremely accurate, very well made, and great looking just as a bonus!

That's my .02 cents!

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Can't say as I'm a fan of any of the newer Smith's... if it has the "lawyer lock" I'm just not interested. I'd be looking for a good K-22. Just my opinion though.
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It's a great gun. Can't look at as just a 22. I bought mine used, like new and saved some money.

It costs the same to make as if it was a 38, 357, 44 etc. Just has smaller holes.
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There are older 6 & 10 shot 617's for sale every now and then right here on the forum w/o the IL and I agree that you can't beat a quality 4" 18 or 6" 17 unless you only want a 10 shot.
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A short time ago I decided I needed to have a double action .22 revolver. I never had one before. I started looking at S&W's but the prices of used guns were crazy high. I didn't want a Taurus and I considered a Dan Wesson.

But then a fellow shooter offered a 617-5 for $500 in the box, unfired. I couldn't resist.

It is my first, one and only, internal lock gun. Other than the hole in the side, I don't even notice it. The trigger pull on this gun from the factory is amazing, both double and single action. It's a very accurate gun and I'm learning to shoot double action with it, due to the low cost of ammo.

I liked the Hogue Monogrips from the factory but the rubber just didn't wow me. So I ordered a set of semi-custom Hogues from their website. I chose cocobolo, checkered, with a single finger groove (instead of two), and the grip cap. They arrived 30 days later, just as promised and they're fantastic!



I think you'll love your ten shot version of my six shot 617!
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There's a 6" 6 shot 617 in the classifieds right now for $550.
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In my area that is 3 22A's.
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I had a 6" K-22 and a 6" .22 Colt Diamondback, and they were both well made and darn accurate, but I sold em' and don't miss em' that much. I think a 4" .22 Combat Masterpiece would be nice to own, but a Buckmark is probably more accurate at half the price.
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I got the 617 6" Bbl. 10 shot cyl. a few years ago
same month I got a 625 5" Bbl. .45 ACP/.45 Auto RIm
They both have full size Guy Hogue grips Rosewood The
sight radius is within a half inch or so of each other with
the 617 having a shorter frame in length.

The 617 is accurate, and fun It's a great warmup
DA and SA prior to shooting the 625.

Actually the 617 almost Always goes along to the range
the 625 not so much. I think the 617 is my best S&W
trigger pull out of the box.

Long after the price is paid, the quality of the tool remains.

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I paid $609 + s/t 9/08 for my new 4" x10 617. The best purchase ever of a S&W - pricey, but worth it. I've already seen this - I'll be shooting my newer 617 when folks with older rimfire K-frames aren't (Mine holds four more rounds - duh!). Seriously, newer S&W's err to the stronger DA pull side to be PC - they want to insure that your new S&W will pop all primers (or squish all rims) and that the trigger will return no matter the state of cleanliness, thus the stiff new DA triggers. That can be improved easily enough. And... talk about QC problems - look over your Bangor Punta era S&W's! Thank goodness they don't make them like they once did!

Nope, $670 is a great price for a new 617. Heck, add s/h, ffl xfr and s/t and it's still good. I won't have enough left from that amount to buy a McD's 'Happy Meal' Wed when I pickup my new 3" 63! I'll be all smiles... okay, tears, too... I am frugal (CHEAP!). If it's as much fun as my 5" 63, I'll soon forget the price...

Buy the 617!

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Got my 617 a year or so ago, NIB. After a lot of looking and dickering, I ended up in a trade where I had about $450.00 invested. Figured I did ok as the going price was in the area you're looking. It's a great revolver. took about 3 months to get it but worth the wait. And while I was waiting I got a model 63. Also a fun gun and less $$.

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I like the 17's and 617's. I don't like the 10-shot ones though, the timing seems weird to me, but many do so to each his own. If you get a 10-shot used one I'd recommend staying away from the alloy cylinder models. I had a 17-8 that was nothing but trouble, so I sent it back to the S&W Performance Center to have a 6-shot SS cylinder installed.

Is the 617 the Rolls Royce of 22 revolvers? ummmm...well, that's all pretty subjective. You can get a used Freedom Arms 252 for around twice the price you quoted, or one of their current production 22 rimfires for a bit more, or a Korth for much more. They are a little more in line with what I might consider premium revolvers.

No doubt decent 22 LR revolvers are going high today, especially with certerfire factory ammo and components being so high cost. However, if you can find a used 17/617, and they have been a little scarce lately, you can find a decent deal. But while you are looking for that
decent deal, just think .... you can also be out shooting that new one and how much you'll save over centerfire ammo costs!
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I paid $725 for mine brand new earlier this year and it was worth every penny. Regardless of caliber, if they are the same frame size a good revolver is going to cost the same, regardless of the caliber. It doesn't cost any less to produce a K frame .22 than a K frame .38 Special. When I got mine I was happy to spend the money on a new one as a. I had it, and b. I found one. Used S&W .22 revolvers are rare as hen's teeth around here.
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I am not sure why folks don't want to pay much for 'only' a .22. A good .22 will be shot more than any firearm you own. Excellence in workmanship, fine triggers, and superior accuracy are worth a premium in a gun that will be used this much. I may be nuts, but many of my .22s (rifle and handguns) cost more than most (but not all) of my centerfires. A cheap .22 looks and feels, well, CHEAP.
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If it’s new that price is OK. I paid about that for one of mine last year and a little less for another about the same time.

No, they’re not the Rolls Royce of 22s or even the best production 22 revolver. I would place Freedom Arms and USFA 22s well ahead of the 617. That being said, I do think the 617 is the best for the money you’re going to find. Mine are of good quality and I really like the 10 shot capability.


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Try as you may, no matter how hard you pull the trigger on a FA, USFA, or even what Ruger has now in a rimfire, it aint going bang unless you cock the hammer first! The 617 is now the best available production DA-capable revolver... the 63 is second!

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For a fan of new S&W's (like me) it was totally worth it, I love my 6" 617! The 617 is THE best new .22 LR revolver out there, period.

You can find a decent used K-22 or M17 for less than $700, I have a nice K-22, too but the 617 takes most of the plinking duties. A K-22/17 will last forever too. But prices are skyrocketing on these too as people are looking for .22 revolvers like never before these days. Soon the 617 will be a "bargain" compared to a nice K-22.

There's also the older Dan Wesson .22 revolvers.

In short, I paid just over $750 for my 617 this summer, and the ammo savings alone paid for the gun. I must have fired 1,000's of .22's this summer for backyard plinking fun. If these were .38's it would have cost me well over the price of the gun.

Nothing beats being able to "scratch the itch" to fire a revolver a little bit, for $4 per 50 rounds vs. $20 for .38's.
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Try as you may, no matter how hard you pull the trigger on a FA, USFA, or even what Ruger has now in a rimfire, it aint going bang unless you cock the hammer first! The 617 is now the best available production DA-capable revolver... the 63 is second!

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I bought a 6 shot 6" 617-1 a few months ago for $550 and it's worth every penny. The thing is crazy accurate, even with bulk pack ammo. If I do my part right it'll make single ragged holes at 25 yds. all day long in SA.
After some action work the DA is pretty smooth, though I can't get the trigger pull as light as I'd like without getting misfires. Does anyone make a longer length firing pin for the 617?

Ya know, it just occurred to me that my other .22's haven't been to the range since I got the 617. I guess that says something (besides the fact that I prefer wheelguns).

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$670 is a fair price for a new 617. It's a quality gun and you'll not find a better .22 revolver out there in that price range. I wouldn't be bothered by the lock. Even those of you who have convinced yourselves that the lock can malfunction as the consequence of recoil must agree that the negligible recoil generated by .22 lrs isn't likely to cause the gun's lock to spontaneously engage.

My 617 happens to be a 617-1 4" made back in '93. It has a steel six shot cylinder. I love the gun, it's amazingly accurate, and has roughly the same heft and feel of many of Smith's centerfire guns. I can't outshoot my wife with her Model 41 with this gun but I can come reasonably close. I occasionally develop problems firing my centerfire revolvers, not unlike a golfer who develops a hitch in his swing. The 617 is a great, inexpensive trainer to help me work out the kinks in my shooting.
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That is about what I paid for mine, No regrets. I wouldn't take that for it.
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I have a little different take than many.

I paid $645 for my NIB 617 this spring, and I am very happy with it and the price I paid. I wouldn't sell it and do not regret the purchase in the slightest.

However, is it worth the money over another .22 handgun? I'm not sure the answer is yes. I wanted a .22 revolver and wanted DA. With that understanding the 617 is about the best choice.

If one doesn't truly desire a DA wheel gun then there are much better choices for the money out there - Ruger MkIII or the Single Six, among a few others.

So, *for the money*, unless you just have to have a DA wheel gun go elsewhere. If these two options are what you desire the 617 will not disappoint, even when considering the price it delivers.
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However, is it worth the money over another .22 handgun? I'm not sure the answer is yes. I wanted a .22 revolver and wanted DA. With that understanding the 617 is about the best choice.

If one doesn't truly desire a DA wheel gun then there are much better choices for the money out there - Ruger MkIII or the Single Six, among a few others.
When it comes to just having fun to shoot in a .22 handgun, I think the S&W 22A is as good a choice as any, especially for the price. But I, like others, wanted a D/A revolver, which brought me to the S&W (not to mention I just like Smiths). I like revolvers, and I'm not big on single action revolvers (I've tried them and just keep moving them along) so for me, the S&W was it.
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I don't think I would go $670 for a NEW 617 but would go that much or a little more for one of the early ones. The older S&W revolvers ARE better than the newer ones, that being said, my experiences with the current generation have been very positive. Last summer a new 610 followed me home (of course I had to feed it and let it stay) and after a Wilson Combat spring kit has been an outstanding gun. My Christmas present to myself (wife never knows what to get me) the year before last was a 10 shot 617 from Bud's Gunshop new for $599 and it has been great! DS-10 Speedloaders and a 13lb trigger return spring make it a competition gun that will keep up with the Rugers. I found a gently used (Chumlee said it was) 4" 686 with lock at a Vegas pawn shop (Gunbroker auction) for $365 - 13lb return spring, XS big dot sights and cutting for moonclips by Alex Hamilton at Ten Ring in TX have made it a fine ESR gun for IDPA. I have read some people having problems here and there with the new crop of S&W revolvers. Plus a lot more BS that I attribute to "old timers syndrome" (NONE of the new stuff is as good as the old stuff) but I am happy.
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I'm commited sorta. I just want a 617 10 shot but is the cost worth it? Is this the Rolls Royce of .22's? Joe
It's cost/value ratio doesn't make sense to me..

If you want a ten shot .22 that will shoot circles around a 617 and costs about $350, buy a used Ruger MkII (If you can find one). I don't like the new MkIII's because Ruger screwed up the design of the gun to satisfy the new requirements for a "trigger disconnect" if the magazine is released. Buy any Mk II Target model with a bull barrel you see, they will not be made again and will be very valuable. The supply has already completely dried up here in kali.

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I'm talking from my perspective as a DA revolver fanatic........IMO the 617 is THE choice for a modern, DA .22 LR revolver.

If you just want any .22 pistol to plink around with, you can get used Ruger Mark II's for $150-200 and have just as much fun, as well as Single Six .22 WMR/LR convertibles for half the price of a 617.

I wanted a NEW .22 LR DA revolver and I am well satisfied with my 617. I do have a K-22 from the 50's, the 617 shoots just as well as it. The K-22 is my "iron sight" .22 revolver, the 617 is my "scoped" .22 revolver. With a 4x optic the 617 will shoot pea sized groups at 20 yards.
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I have shot my 617 alongside a Ruger 22/45 and can say this...mine goes bang 10 times every time, unlike that tent stake with a grip screwed onto it.
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I paid $450 for a K-22 Combat Masterpiece, much better IMHO.

YMMV, however.
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They've always been expensive.

I had to work a lot longer and harder to accumulate the $200 I paid for my M17 in 1977 than I would to pay $700 for a new one today. Even so, that $200 was well-spent.
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I sold a very clean 17-4, blue, 6" today with 95% finish, numbered grips and original box for just under $600. I think it was a great price for the guy who bought the gun.
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I hope that $670 isn't too much. I bought one this past Saturday for $680. Sales tax brought it to $732.70. Luckly, I had something to trade.

I got to run 200 rounds through it this morning. I had trouble seeing the sights. Must be due to my old man eyes? When I caught the light right, the revolver was very accurate.

I have had and still have a few .22 pistols and revolvers over the years. I have a Ruger MKII that I won't part with. But, I wanted a DA .22. S&W is the only player out there. Ruger doesn't make one. I had a terrible experience with a new DA Charter Arms. Ditto an older Rossi. Ditto an older High Standard. A close friend of mine bought a Taurus that locked up on the second cylinder. I didn't want to pay the S&W price, but da#@, I wanted something that would work! I hope the new 617 is it. I can see myself changing out the front sight and probably the grips.
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I have a 4'' and a 6'' love them both.Did have one problem with them both.
Could not load them by hand fast enough.
Bought the DS-10 -speedloadr and some blocks its ok now
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Wholesale for a new one is $608.95. You go from there.
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yes sir. Just because its a .22 doesnt mean it has to cheap. You should know a Smith is a Smith and you get what you pay for. I have a 10 shot 617 and and an older 648. Love em both. They are durable and accurate. You can buy a Marlin or you can buy a CZ rifle one costs more but it also outshoots the other. I know we are talking wheel guns but I am sure you understand the point. Also quality is another factor. A lower price 22 that is American made is the Charter Arms Pathfinder. You will see the difference. However i will concede that sometimes $ is an important factor in what we can afford or just buy a used smith or save up for a new one.

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Gramps always said... "You'll be satisfied with the best." Love my K22's
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S&W 617 are AWESOME guns ........ and worth there wright in gold.... I own a 4 and 6 in a 10 shot
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A good rimfire revolver is worth that - and a little bit more - to me. I have an old K-22 and apart from what people say, the K-22 is among my best shooters.

I prefer an older K-22 over the newer 617 but that is just personal preference.

And it was a good response that $670 would just cover the sales tax on a Korth but that is the greatest rimfire handgun in my humble collection.

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IMHO, Yes, it is.

I got on a S&W Rimfire kick more than a few years back. First .22 Smith I bought that go-around was a 6-Shot 617, 4". That gun is more accurate than I'll ever be. From a rest, capable of one ragged hole with the ammo it likes (which happens to be CCI Stingers). Nothing steadies my hand as easy as a K-Frame .22; I have multiple Ruger Mark II's in various barrel configurations/lengths, but I really love shooting the 617.

I also procured a pristine 4" Model 63 about the same time. Not quite as accurate as the 617, but lighter to carry in the field.

My safe queen rimfires (K-22 6", Model 17 4", Model 18 4", pre-Model 43 4") don't get shot much these days, but they DO get shot occasionally.

I have found that collecting S&W revolvers (of ANY caliber) is probably worse than a crack addiction.

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To the fellow needing something better than the black/black sight picture for his mature eyes, perhaps a .15" tall HiViz fiber optic (My green one came via Brownell's.). My then sixty year old eyes needed the help. Nearly two years later, and after the picture, I added a HiViz to my 5" 63. One draw of the 3" 63 I hope to pick up today is the included HiViz.

To the fellow wanting different wood grips, consider the Ahrends cocobolo retro targets my 617 sports. They were ordered unfinished - and sport my homebrew penetrating oil/resin finis, which darkened the beautiful (... and comfortable!) grips.



Now, the hammer spring. A full power Wolff hammer leaf spring is a definite improvement in DA pull - as is the trigger rebound spring change. The combination is great. Sadly - it's too good. Current strain screws, with their turned down and sometimes filed ends, will intrude into the hollow back of the Wolff 'Power Rib' leaf springs, lessening their pre-load - and the ultimate rim hit energy - guarunteed ftf's. A full size strain screw - I use a hardened SS Allen head screw available at Home Depot bagged for <$1 for 2 - will make the full power Wolff a viable improvement. My range-friends marvel at my 617's trigger. Thousands of rounds fired, of varied ammo, and one ftf - which wouldn't go bang in the 63, either.

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I have a hard time justifying that price on a .38 revolver.
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I love Smith 22 Revos...

Just shot a newly picked up Model 34 today and the SA trigger is light light - all rounds fired no problem, but wow.

For better sight contrast, I touch a bit of water based Testor's Modeling paint (Flouro Orange, but pick whatever suits ya) to the last 5 or six stairsteps in the front sight. Really helps with front sight acquisition at the gun club.

After a couple coats of the paint have dried, I do two quick coats of clear nail polish to protect it against cleaning solvents.
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