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I aquired a 627-2, 5" round butt, unfluted cylinder, 6 shot, gold bead front site, MIM frame. Serial CCU23XX. Smooth trigger. Has Hoguefinger grove grips w/S&W medallion. The barrel is LAZER ETCHED in Cursive, on left side, Smith & Wesson, Right side 357 Magnum. Product code, 148327. The SCSW states quanities unknown- 15 to 300 may be neither?
Does anyone know anything about these regarding actual quanity produced and appox value. I have been following the forum and have not seen any other posts for a 627-2. Any assitance is appreicated. Thanks Rom
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Rom,

I own the 627-2 that is pictured on page 255 of the Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson. When I corresponded with Jim Supica about the gun when he was assembling information for the 3rd edition of the SCSW, he had never heard of that variation before. My gun is exactly as the same as you have described your's and carries the same product code. The box label on mine states SB for square butt, but the gun is actually a round butt.

No much information exists on these and some of it seems to contradict itself. The most believeable, yet unconfirmed report that I have heard on these is that they were a limited run that was basically assembled from spare parts. The other rumor is that they were a run of 200 guns for export through Wiesco (sp?) who was Smith & Wesson's distibutor for Europe. I still haven't sent for a factory letter on mine, it's one of those things that I keep meaning to do but keep forgetting about.

As far as mine, I bought it as new old stock in 2005 for around $600-$650. It was from a dealer who recently moved his shop from southern California and he had several new old stock Smith & Wessons that he was unable to sell in California because they were not on the DOJ approved list. I have no idea how long he had it prior to sale and his shop has since been closed down by the ATF.

I don't know if this helps or not. If you're able to find out anything else, please let me know.
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Your guys' 627-2s are news to me. They sound pretty rare. I'm guessing you have researched all the other 6 shot 627s as well and hoping you can answer a question. Did S&W make fluted 6 shot 627s? The SCSW has a picture of 3 revolvers with a caption saying they are 627s and one of them is a fluted 6 shooter. Is the fluted one actually a 627 or is it misidentified?

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How about a few pics, 2000z-71?
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I can attest to the fact that the fluted 627 that appears in the SCSW is indeed a 627, it's mine.





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I have seen three 627-2, 5", fluted cylinder guns for sale. Total! They were either sold or I was outbid on them. I really would like to have one. Searching for one of them has led me to buy two 627-2 6" guns with unfluted cylinder and two Performance Center 5" slab sided guns, and three 627-0 5 1/2 inch barrel guns to put some salve on the inability to find one of 5" -2's. The search continues! Congratulations on a fine catch.
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I have one of the 5 inch, unfluted 6 shot Model 627-2's. I bought mine new in 1999. S/N CCU23XX. Round butt, came with Hogue finger groove rubber grips. I don't think they are too common.

My notes show it came in the blue plastic box with cable trigger lock, but it's put away in a zippered gun rug. I am not sure where the box is.
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I can attest to the fact that the fluted 627 that appears in the SCSW is indeed a 627, it's mine.
I'm envious! Unfluted cylinders never made any sense to me and they don't look attractive either. I have a few, but only on revolvers that weren't available fluted at the time I bought them.

Thanks for the great pictures.
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Thanks for the replies, mine has the non fluted cylinder. Based on the replies it would appear to be a rather uncommon varitation. Parts clean up is very possible. I like it, little heavy but quite nice to shoot. Rom
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Interesting that our guns have the same product code but yours has an unfluted cylinder and mine has the fluted. Makes the parts gun assembly story seem even more plausible.
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I also have one of the 5" 627-2's. Mine has an unfluted cylinder and the product code is 148218. I bought mine a few years ago NIB from a collector that was selling off his collection. I had also heard that it was part of a small run that S&W made from spare parts. It's a great looking gun.
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I wished I would have looked at this earlier but. I have a 627-2 unfluted 6 shot hogue grips from the factory with a gold bead on the front site. I bought mine new in 1999. In michigan I was told that these were a spare parts gun and only 50 were made. Idk if this helps
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Your guys' 627-2s are news to me. They sound pretty rare. I'm guessing you have researched all the other 6 shot 627s as well and hoping you can answer a question. Did S&W make fluted 6 shot 627s? The SCSW has a picture of 3 revolvers with a caption saying they are 627s and one of them is a fluted 6 shooter. Is the fluted one actually a 627 or is it misidentified?

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My favorite pawn shop has a fluted six-shot 627. I've been scouring the net to find anything about it. It has a 4" bbl. They want 1500 for it. Should buy it?

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My favorite pawn shop has a fluted six-shot 627. I've been scouring the net to find anything about it. It has a 4" bbl. They want 1500 for it. Should buy it?
Is it a -2?
Otherwise, what dash is it... 627-???
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Is it a -2?
Otherwise, what dash is it... 627-???
Oh yes, It's a -2. Sorry, I was replying with my phone.
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It has the cursive writing and gold bead front sight with Hogue grips. They screw on from the bottom. Is this normal and would this be a round-butt revolver?
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Are the grips rubber and do they have the embossed S&W logo or silver medallion on them? If possible, pics would help immensely.
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Are the grips rubber and do they have the embossed S&W logo or silver medallion on them? If possible, pics would help immensely.
No medallions on them. It has either Hogue or S&W embossed, I couldn't tell because of the low light.
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It sounds to be one of the "gun of the month" 627-2s from about 1998. If it is in nice condition it is probably worth $1500. Please post the photos after you take it home.
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It sounds to be one of the "gun of the month" 627-2s from about 1998. If it is in nice condition it is probably worth $1500. Please post the photos after you take it home.
I just might (take it home, that is), but I put another Smith on layaway. A 4006. I think these pieces came from a single person. I already have a 66-1 on layaway. I'm sure from the same person that owned them. All his guns are in great shape.
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Also, what do you mean by "gun of the month"?
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A 627-2 with a fluted cylinder I consider rare!! I can say that because I have been looking for one for over 20 years. It may say "Champion" on it on the barrel, along with a descriptive adjective, like "Target". From what I have heard, the fluted barrels were shipped overseas, while the unfluted cylinder guns stayed in the U.S. (could be wrong, but what I've heard and read)

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Well heck, I guess I'll go look at it tomorrow after work.
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Here’s 2 S&W factory rubbers by Hogue for N rd to sq grips
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Here’s 2 S&W factory rubbers by Hogue for N rd to sq grips
They look like the ones on the left but without the pronounced finger grooves.
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New info. It has a 5" bbl and factory Hogue rubber grips with round-butt under(YES!). The manager told me the first "CC" in the serial # indicate "Clear Coat". Is this true?
The numbers are: CCZ73xx.
Oh, I put it in layaway. For 1400 bucks.
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New info. It has a 5" bbl and factory Hogue rubber grips with round-butt under(YES!). The manager told me the first "CC" in the serial # indicate "Clear Coat". Is this true?
The numbers are: CCZ73xx.
Oh, I put it in layaway. For 1400 bucks.
That manager has quite the imagination.
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That manager has quite the imagination.
HAHA! I thought so too. I kinda looked at him sideways after he said it...but you can't be too sure so that's why I asked.
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New info. It has a 5" bbl and factory Hogue rubber grips with round-butt under(YES!). The manager told me the first "CC" in the serial # indicate "Clear Coat". Is this true?
The numbers are: CCZ73xx.
Oh, I put it in layaway. For 1400 bucks.
Good for you! I think that is a pretty reasonable price. I would like to see pictures when you get it. :-)
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Good for you! I think that is a pretty reasonable price. I would like to see pictures when you get it. :-)
It may be a while, I've got guns on layaway all over the place!
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With the little info we now know, I think you're good at that amount... clear coat and all.
I think in this case, "CC" refers to double CCrazy on mngrs. part though...
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Post pics when you can.

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With the little info we now know, I think you're good at that amount... clear coat and all.
I think in this case, "CC" refers to double CCrazy on mngrs. part though...
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Hehe, he sure was layering it on for the sale. I just noticed The first post by Rom. What does it mean MIM frame? It isn't forged like earlier ones? I sthat why they lazer-etched the logo and patents? It's a beautiful piece and I can't wait to get her.
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That does it then. I'm gonna contact Jim Supica to include the serial number prefix code/de-code in the SCSW 5th Ed. This info is too valuable to us S&W nuts to be limited to LGS managers.
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That does it then. I'm gonna contact Jim Supica to include the serial number prefix code/de-code in the SCSW 5th Ed. This info is too valuable to us S&W nuts to be limited to LGS managers.
Haha!
I think I'll pick up my 66-1 today. Oh, the 627-2 came with box but the label was ripped. So no telling there. It has the egg-shell padding.
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Also, what do you mean by "gun of the month"?
Whether it was due to parts cleanups or a lot of imagination in the Marketing department and Performance Center, a lot of small runs of special edition guns were put out by the factory at around that time. Roy Jinks mentions this as an exciting time to have worked there.

And good for you for buying this one!
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Whether it was due to parts cleanups or a lot of imagination in the Marketing department and Performance Center, a lot of small runs of special edition guns were put out by the factory at around that time. Roy Jinks mentions this as an exciting time to have worked there.

And good for you for buying this one!
Thanks, I can't wait to put her through her paces!
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A 627-2 with a fluted cylinder I consider rare!! I can say that because I have been looking for one for over 20 years. It may say "Champion" on it on the barrel, along with a descriptive adjective, like "Target". From what I have heard, the fluted barrels were shipped overseas, while the unfluted cylinder guns stayed in the U.S. (could be wrong, but what I've heard and read)

Grab it!!
It says nothing but Smith&Wesson and 357Magnum on each side in cursive script.
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I have one of the 5 inch, unfluted 6 shot Model 627-2's. I bought mine new in 1999. S/N CCU23XX. Round butt, came with Hogue finger groove rubber grips. I don't think they are too common.

My notes show it came in the blue plastic box with cable trigger lock, but it's put away in a zippered gun rug. I am not sure where the box is.
Here's your box.







Did anyone ever figure out how many of these were made??

The first time I saw this one I had no interest in it because I didn't like the unfluted cylinder.

The second time I saw it I was drawn to it a little bit more.

The third time I saw it I kept it. Now I can't wait to shoot it.

Found the thread searching for more information.
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Happy to see this thread back. As a collector trying to focus on 627 variations I appreciate the pictures of 627s with their correct boxes that show end labels with serial numbers and special order (SO) numbers. I have been chasing these 6 and 8 shot revolvers for over 15 years and I still discover variations I have not seen before. As a member of the Smith & Wesson Collectors Association I published a pretty extensive summary in the Fall 2012 SWCA Journal about all the 627 variations that I knew about to that date. While new information has since come to light, I thought I might share what I wrote back then about the 627-2s.

627-2 (1998-2001)

Concurrent with the Performance Center’s 627-3, the S&W 627-2 marked a very significant engineering change, introducing the new and now standard CNC machined frame, most easily identified by the elongated cylinder stop that replaced the cylinder stop pin S&W used on their conventional machined frames for more then 100 years. This frame incorporates the new floating firing pin and the flat hammer face that now resides fully within the frame. SCSW notes this change to an 8-shot, but every model marked 627-2 I have seen are non-Performance Center 6-shot models with .500-inch MIM hammers and .400-inch MIM hollow back smooth triggers. All of the guns have a new squared extractor star that no longer uses the two alignment pins, a change shared with the Model 27-6. All of the printing on these revolvers is laser applied and not stamped. The top straps are drilled and tapped with a smooth matt surface and the barrel rib is grooved from the frame forward to include the front sight ramp. The front sights are pinned gold bead patridge. Rear sights are similarly grooved with a black blade. This model has a round butt frame shipped with black Hogue mono-grips with the S&W logo. The Performance Center 8-shot versions of this frame are marked 627-3 (See below.)

148327 5-inch full lug barrel with a 6-shot fluted cylinder. Large S&W logo on the side plate. Lasered on the left side of the barrel in script is “Smith & Wesson.” On the right side it reads “.357 Magnum,” also in script. SCSW states 148327 is reportedly a short run made from parts.) CCZXXXX, shipped in blue plastic case.

Photo 12 CCZ6780, shipped October 1998

148218 5-inch full lug barrel with a 6-shot unfluted cylinder. Large S&W logo on the side plate. Lasered on the left side of the barrel in script is “Smith & Wesson.” On the right side it reads “.357 Magnum,” also in script. This Product Code is not listed in SCSW. CCUXXXX shipped in blue plastic case.

Photo 13 CCU2353, shipped June 1998

149193 6-inch full lug barrel and a 6-shot unfluted cylinder. A small S&W logo appears under the thumb cylinder release. The right side of the barrel is completely blank, while the left side reads on two lines,” SMITH & WESSON .357 MAGNUM.” SCSW list a similar description as 149140 introduced in 2000. CETXXXX shipped in blue plastic case.

Photo 14 CET2713, shipped March 2001

Other 627-2 variations not encountered to date:
101030 SCSW listed as 5-inch “627 Target Champion,” Export
(WISCHO Germany)
149140 SCSW listed as 6-inch six shot unfluted

Subsequent to publishing the above, in August 2015 I learned about a PC 6-shot in Europe, possibly a 149140. A unicorn gun and this confirmed they exist. The gun was in Sweden. It took the buyer in Austria 5 months to get. He was kind enough to get back to me and shared the following. It is a 6-shot, clearly marked "Performance Center," and is in the contoured slab-sided profile found on 627-3s and now widely available as 627-5s. Check out the last picture below. I begged him for this gun. But importing a firearm is far beyond my area of comfort.

As a final note, while I do not have production figures for the 627-2 5" variants, I do know that the 6" CETXXXX variation production was only 47 units.

I hope some of you find all this as interesting as I do.
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Happy to see this thread back.

I hope some of you find all this as interesting as I do.
Thank you and I do find it interesting and I learned a few things because I had to look up a few things that you mentioned so once again, thank you.

I am not very knowledgeable about guns but I'm learning.




I did notice the different shaped extractor star but I didn't notice the lack of alignment pins.
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i recently got a 627-1 with a fluted cylinder, lovely revolver.
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i recently got a 627-1 with a fluted cylinder, lovely revolver.
Very nice. I'm very pleased with mine.

Your's was shipped on the 55th anniversary of the Attack on Pearl Harbor, December 7th 1996.
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