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Performance Center Model 13 With PICS
Hello gentlemen...and ladies. I joined this forum for only one reason. I recently acquired a Performance Center Model 13-4. I've been told its a Law Enforcement version. It has Hogue brand grips.
I don't have the original box or paperwork, just the pistol. I want top dollar for the gun. Sorry, I'm a semi auto guy. But I do appreciate this particular firearm.
I would, however, like to learn a little bit more about it. What can you all tell me about these PC 13's (especially a law enforcement edition.)
the serial number is HPC0012.
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03-06-2011, 12:06 AM
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Welcome to the forum.
Is this one of the M13s with 4 ports on a 3" barrel?
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03-06-2011, 12:12 AM
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Thank you.
Yes. It has the four ports on the barrel. And yes, i probably am crazy for wanting to pass this gem off, but i am really wanting a 1911.
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03-06-2011, 12:28 AM
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The SCSW says these had a 1995 suggested retail price of $760. I would guess that was NIB.
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03-06-2011, 01:42 AM
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Greetings.
No Performance center guns were "law enforcement" guns that I know of.
I believe you have been mis informed.
3" K frames are a hot item right now, and P.C. guns in high
condition do command a premium.
The trend I am seeing is the mag-na-port guns, even factory issued
are not hot sellers.
There was a 3" model 66-4 that recently sold at auction and only
brought in the high 600s$. Without the porting, it would have been considerably more.
Good luck with your sale. There may be someone willing to trade a
good quality 1911 for your gun.
Good pictures and accurate description of any flaws is essential.
Regards
Allen Frame
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03-06-2011, 11:21 AM
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thank you for the suggestions, Allen. Yes, pictures would do well.
I didn't quite think much of the LE edition idea either. didn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
I also find the argument of the ports very poor. I'm not going to be firing the gun in a defensive posture at eye level. As a SWAT and Defensive Pistol instructor we teach many different firing positions and i have been struck by porting debris. The inconvenience of hot shards is (should be) the least of any person's concerns when faced with a deadly force encounter.
So now, subconsciously, an irrational fear of hot gasses and metal has been planted and overrides a much needed rational understanding of defeating ones attacker.
How do you lose a knife fight? By being afraid of being cut.
I,m off my soapbox now. Sorry. Any ways, about the gun.
What could I expect to get from an independent buyer?
I would be happy to send to any recipient photos of the pistol.
thanks again Allen
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Ultimately, what I want is a Stainless Steel 1911 with Novac cuts, Ambi safety, funneled mag well with hump on mainspring housing. And NO front cocking serrations.
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03-06-2011, 11:54 AM
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That is a VERY rare and desirable early PC model. Yes 'even' with the four ports. Last one I saw on either GB or GA sold quickly around $900. I have one that I bought years ago or I'd buy yours for that price. Dave
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Hi,
That is a very nice model 13. I have never seen one that was magna ported. Some of the responses indicate the revolver is worth a lot of money. Unfornately I don't agree. The model 13 3 inch is highly sought after. But mainly the early dash models. I have priced this at around $550 to $600. It really comes down to what the real market value of your revolver is. For me the revolver is not worth $900. I would buy a early model 13 with a 3 inch barrel non ported revolver before I would buy a ported one. I believe you can use your model 13 as trade bait. But for a well made 1911 I would say you will have too come up with some cash. You might be disappointed on what a gun shop would give you for it. Best place to sell the revolver would be gunbroker. Then you can make a deal on a nice 1911.
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Model 13
I would put that gun up for sale on Gunbroker, there were very few of those guns made. I bought one several years ago at $800 NIB.
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We disagree. This is a very early PC gun and one of the few SW with bobbed hammer for CCW. The ports work fine. Value compared to a standard Model 13 is, of course, based an rarity. How many Model 13 PCs out there vs the non PC models? Do the math. Dave
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as far as rarity, it is one of this first two hundred of a four hundred total run (serial changed at 201). I have never used gunbroker before. Hopefully it's not like eBay.
Thank you to all for your imput. Anyone else have any additional knowledge on the piece to contribute?
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as far as rarity, it is one of this first two hundred of a four hundred total run (serial changed at 201). I have never used gunbroker before. Hopefully it's not like eBay.
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I have one of the first run revolvers and I love it. Great trigger, and the ports are not an issue but do seem to help with hot loads. For carry I use +P 38 ammo with low flash powder and I have no problem with with flash blindness at night, and my eyes are getting rather old.
About the serial numbers, I'm pretty sure that the first run was S/N HCP0100 thru HCP0299... the second run would have been 300 thru 499 (my guess). However, I know that the port location is an easy way to tell if the gun is a first or second run. BTW my S/N is in the 200s and is verfied as a first run gun. k
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[QUOTE=I'm very pretty that the first run was S/N HCP0100 thru HCP0299... the second run would have been 300 thru 499 (my guess).[/QUOTE].
My last input on the Serial runs was strictly speculative; based on what I've read elsewhere.
If I may ask...If yours is a verified first run with a serial in the two hundreds, where does that leave mine with a serial in only the double digits? If the numbers start in the 100?
Can somebody clarify?
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I would, however, like to learn a little bit more about it. What can you all tell me about these PC 13's (especially a law enforcement edition.).
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According to the Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson, there were 400 units made for Lew Horton. They all had the four Magna ports, bobbed hammer and came with Secret Service boot grips (which someone aparently removed from yours).
I frequently look for Performance Center guns, such as yours, on GB and suspect that yours would fetch in the neighborhood of $600-$750.
Hope this helps.
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More info on the PC-13
There were actually two separate production runs of the PC-13. They had different product codes, different serial number prefixes (HPC and JPC), different grips (Eagle Secret Service wood grips and Uncle Mike's rubber combat grips), and different quad-port locations (on the barrel and on the top rib). The serial numbers started at 0001 for each of the two prefixes.
I once owned #0100 from the first run and #0099 and #0100 from the second run. They were great revolvers, and generally traded for very high prices. (A few years ago there was a member here on the forum who was paying four figures for almost every 3" PC revolver he could find. I never paid that much--in NIB condition they usually traded in the $800 to $900 range.)
Some additional info along with pics of each style (with aftermarket grips) can be found here: PC-13
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Thank you DC7, that is the info that I couldn't remember, the prefix being the code to first or second run. Did not know that they started both runs at 0001, which is funny since my S/N is above the 200 number. Wonder if they made a few extras?, but anyway that is why I thought the S/N must start at 0100.
dehendrix, I must admit that my typo (thinking faster than my fingers, or maybe the other way around) gave me a laugh as well when I read it tonight. Still can't figure out how the "very sure" that should have been "pretty sure" became "very pretty" <LOL>.
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I would be interested in buying such a model.
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