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hello, new to the form really enjoying all this information im sucking up. I'm really interested in purchasing a new 686 (i dont buy used) and I was reading all the information on websites about the interlock. I was just wondering if it is illegal to take out this interlock? also if I should wait for them to come out with a new model that does not have this interlock? After reading around I believe the interlock was in production since 2002, thats almost 10 years now, and still no change. Anyone know if it is coming soon? or just go with what they got now?

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If you want a new 686, then buy it. I cant tell you the lock will never screw up, because anything mechanical made by man certainly can. That said, I would take with a grain of salt all the stories you hear on the internet about the lock, or a lot of other things for that matter.

For what its worth, I have a 629 with the lock, and never had a problem after firing a lot of heavy loads. Before I retired last year, I was a firearms instructor for a large federal law enforcement agency. I spent a lot of time with quite a few guys who shot many thousands of rounds thru a variety of S&W revolvers with the lock, without an issue.

As far as removing or making it non functional, I am not a lawyer, but I would not think it illegal. I would be concerned about a lawsuit in civil court if say a child got hold of it, or it was stolen and used in a crime. Don't know, but I would not want to be the test case..

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Old 03-22-2011, 07:31 PM
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If you want a new 686 get one, and don't worry about the lock. I also have several S&W N frames that I use for work. My 627 Pro and 629 both have the lock. Both have several hundred rounds through them, with the 629 having mostly full power 44 magnums. Neither has ever given the slightest indication of an unintentional lockup. I'd only worry about the lock on the extreme lightweight, heavy caliber guns like the scandium 44 mags and such. I think a dead primer or other ammunition failure would be a more likely scenario, than an unintentional lockup. I've seen a couple examples of that happening, never a lock problem.

It's not illegal to deactivate the lock, at least in my part of the country. (May be in one of those north eastern states.) I don't think you'd have any issues if you deactivate the lock and end up using the gun in a lawful shooting. As long as everything else about the shooting is legit, it shouldn't be an issue. (Not intended as legal advice, just my personal opinion.) But lawyers being lawyers, if you have "deep pockets", they could go fishing in that direction. Who can say for sure one way or the other, I know I can't. I wouldn't worry about buying or using a S&W 686 with the lock though.
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Do a SEARCH on the IL & the 686. There's lots of info here on the Forum about it. The 686-4 is not made "new" any more. That was the last 686 S&W made before they started using MIM parts. The 686-4 is one of the most sought after 686s. Good luck.
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hello, new to the form really enjoying all this information im sucking up. I'm really interested in purchasing a new 686 (i dont buy used) and I was reading all the information on websites about the interlock. I was just wondering if it is illegal to take out this interlock? also if I should wait for them to come out with a new model that does not have this interlock? After reading around I believe the interlock was in production since 2002, thats almost 10 years now, and still no change. Anyone know if it is coming soon? or just go with what they got now?

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Is there any special reason why you don`t want to buy used ?
I have about 75% used and only 25% new in my arsenal and to be perfectly honest I cant tell any difference or even remember which is which half of the time.
Guns last for several lifetimes and at the rate most of them are not shot they have the potential to last indefinitely .

Regarding a 686 I would not think the lock would bother me and I`d buy one if it came my way. As to removing the lock , since the 686 would not be my main defense gun I`d leave it alone, but If I had totally rely on it That lock would be history.

Someone stated on another thread if you are involved in a justifiable shooting it wont matter what you did to the gun or it`s ammo.

I think the lock`s primary purpose is to prevent unauthorized persons being able to shoot the gun ,so if you keep it in a safe or other protected area what does it matter?
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I bought a model 10-14 4 inch new. Its has the interlock. I have not had one problem with the revolver. I have hundreds on rounds put through the revolver. I do not lock the revolver. I would rather have a prelock S&W anyday but I really can't bash my model 10. I would say buy the revolver.
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I have several 686s' and 627s' both with and without the lock. I've never used the lock, and really pay it no mind. All but one has had trigger work but I never bothered to remove them.
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hello, new to the form really enjoying all this information im sucking up. I'm really interested in purchasing a new 686 (i dont buy used) and I was reading all the information on websites about the interlock. I was just wondering if it is illegal to take out this interlock? also if I should wait for them to come out with a new model that does not have this interlock? After reading around I believe the interlock was in production since 2002, thats almost 10 years now, and still no change. Anyone know if it is coming soon? or just go with what they got now?

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Great question and answers so far as I too am thinking about the 686 as my first purchase. Bud
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I understand very good points. Well this is what i figured...I'm sure it is a one in a couple thousand chance that it might lock up? I'm guessing on the number but I'm sure smith & wesson would test their products through a couple thousand rounds before selling to customers. But like many others I was curious about the chances of this happening, because the last thing I want to do is be hunting in bear country and having a black bear attack my *** and have the revolver lock up with me.

I've been thinking purchasing a 686 for awhile now and haven't been bothered about the internal lock until I saw this video...

YouTube - Smith & Wesson Performance Center 686 handgun locks up
(AND this is a Performance Center revolver)

I believe this is one of the first internal lock malfunctions to be caught on camera. My other question is.... The new s&w comes with a lifetime guarantee. Well if I was to remove the internal lock would it void the guarantee?

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Is there any special reason why you don`t want to buy used ?
My apologies, I should of said that I don't plan on buying used. I have a Glock 23, my first gun that I purchased was used. But I've always been a huge fan of the revolver and it being one of smith & wessons work horses I want to be the first and original owner of one. Just as older man love their 1950's chevy corvettes i want to love my revolver hahah

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I believe this is one of the first internal lock malfunctions to be caught on camera. My other question is.... The new s&w comes with a lifetime guarantee. Well if I was to remove the internal lock would it void the guarantee?
Absolutely would I have talked to Smith about warranty voids.

On that video I thought the lock locks the hammer down not cocked. That seems more like a problem between the trigger and hammer. Like maybe a bad Trigger Job. Am I wrong?

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Something wrong with that video.. I'm sorry, but the end when he "acted" as though the trigger was locked, just did not look right.. looked staged to me!
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Find a like new in box 686-4. Last of the everything you need and nothing you don't 686's. They are readily available on the auction boards.

Then if you decide you don't care for it, you can easily get your money back out of it. Might make a small profit too! Good luck! Regards 18DAI.
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Find a like new in box 686-4. Last of the everything you need and nothing you don't 686's. They are readily available on the auction boards.

Then if you decide you don't care for it, you can easily get your money back out of it. Might make a small profit too! Good luck! Regards 18DAI.
Not sure about this... 1> he wants new, unless he has changed from his original statement and 2> I believe the newer 686's have 7 shots and the older ones have 6? Not sure how accurate that statement is, but it is what I have seen. To be honest that extra shot just could be the difference... Especially since we all pretty much know that the chance of a IL failing is about as likely as a forged trigger failing..
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Jack & OP,
Or, we might also ask question 3>. Are you going to trust you family's life, or even your own life with a 686 (or any gun) that has had documented "lock up" problems. You can do a SEARCH here on our forum about "Lock ups" & see what has actually happened. Sure a "lock up" is far & few in between. May never happen to you, or anyone you know. I just could not trust that potential situation. If your gun is for "Target practice" & its not for self defense "why care"? As a retired LEO with 31 years of LE work, i have to be sure my weapon will fire every time. No, S&W will not work on your weapon even under Warranty if the IL is removed. You can always put it back in before sending it up. Best of luck & I hope your weapon fires Every Time.
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I bought a new 686 about 7 years ago. At the time I was new to revolvers and didn't give the slightest thought to the gun having a lock. In fact, the issue of the lock never crossed my mind until I began visiting this forum. During the 6+ years that I owned the gun I put about a billion rounds downrange with it (only a slight exaggeration) without any mechanical problem, not with the lock or with anything else. It was one of the most accurate and reliable handguns I've ever owned and it was comfortable to shoot even with the hottest magnum rounds. I sold it only because I've become an N-frame fan recently and I just have too many magnums.

I'd add that I have no concerns at all about lock-equipped guns. One of my current faves is my lock-equipped 625JM.
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turbo38gn you really should buy the SCSW. Then you can learn about S&W's.

The 686-4+ was the first 7-shot 686. Only made for one year. Made in 2.5", 3", 4" and 6".

Plenty of new old stock 686-4's out there.
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turbo38gn you really should buy the SCSW. Then you can learn about S&W's.

The 686-4+ was the first 7-shot 686. Only made for one year. Made in 2.5", 3", 4" and 6".

Plenty of new old stock 686-4's out there.
what's SCSW? Hmmm, maybe you should buy more of the IL guns so you can learn more about them as well....
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You will know, when the bullet hits the bone. Do you feel that little red dot on your back from a CT grip. You will know
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Maybe I do have that.... is that the book I paid about $35 for about the history of all the guns... or at least most of them... ? If so I have it, but like you, was stating what I've seen... I'll repeat, lots of older 686 guns with 6 bullet cylinders.. and the OP asked specifically for the newer guns with IL's.. and I would also think... 7 bullet cylindrs..
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You will know, when the bullet hits the bone. Do you feel that little red dot on your back from a CT grip. You will know
hmmm, not sure about the meaning here... but maybe I do... I have felt the red dot here more than once.. guess I don't always agree..
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Or, we might also ask question 3>. Are you going to trust you family's life, or even your own life with a 686 (or any gun) that has had documented "lock up" problems. You can do a SEARCH here on our forum about "Lock ups" & see what has actually happened. Sure a "lock up" is far & few in between. May never happen to you, or anyone you know. I just could not trust that potential situation. If your gun is for "Target practice" & its not for self defense "why care"? As a retired LEO with 31 years of LE work, i have to be sure my weapon will fire every time. No, S&W will not work on your weapon even under Warranty if the IL is removed. You can always put it back in before sending it up. Best of luck & I hope your weapon fires Every Time.
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I'm sorry Carl... missed this one. Honestly, you are entitled to your opinion as I am. The fact is, anything can fail, including older non IL guns. There are plenty of parts that can and have failed, so to be honest,your way of thinking would have me carry no gun at all... since anything can go wrong at any time, with any gun, new or old. The fact is, it doesn't hold water in my book. I can look on this site and find even more failures related to non IL guns. Do you see where I am coming from. There just is not a track record of an IL problem. I watched that video this morning and felt it was total fabrication. A few examples have been pointed out in this thread and they were generalizations... so in my book, a failure can occur, but it is pretty darn remote, like I said before, your forged hammer has just as much chance of breaking... so bottom line, just cause a few here don't like change, don't push it on me or others here looking for answers to there fears based on reading more hearsay than fact... have a sparkling day
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Some interesting points when it comes to the video, but I'm not so sure. Maybe I'm just naive but this guy seems pretty pissed about that happening to his revolver lol. He's got a couple videos talking about it, and two more about a gunsmith describing the situtation, plus I believe he made a blog on this situation I can't seem to imagine why he would go through all this if it wasn't the lock up. Here I posted some more of the videos by this man.

1) YouTube - Why I'm Selling My New Smith & Wesson 686 for an Old Smith & Wesson 686
2) YouTube - Smith & Wesson Performance Center 686 handgun locks up pt. 2
3) YouTube - Smith & Wesson Performance Center 686 Internal Lock Failure Demo
4) YouTube - Smith & Wesson Performance Center 686 Internal Lock Failure Demo Pt. 2

The thing that I would be most worried about if this happened to me at a shooting range and it fully cocked back and locked up on a live round.

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I'm sorry Carl... missed this one. Honestly, you are entitled to your opinion as I am. The fact is, anything can fail, including older non IL guns. There are plenty of parts that can and have failed, so to be honest,your way of thinking would have me carry no gun at all... since anything can go wrong at any time, with any gun, new or old. The fact is, it doesn't hold water in my book. I can look on this site and find even more failures related to non IL guns. Do you see where I am coming from. There just is not a track record of an IL problem. I watched that video this morning and felt it was total fabrication. A few examples have been pointed out in this thread and they were generalizations... so in my book, a failure can occur, but it is pretty darn remote, like I said before, your forged hammer has just as much chance of breaking... so bottom line, just cause a few here don't like change, don't push it on me or others here looking for answers to there fears based on reading more hearsay than fact... have a sparkling day
Not to put my dog into the pit but...I think you misunderstand Carl's post. Know for a fact (thank's again Brother ) that he yanks the locks and plugs the holes and they then go BANG everytime. As do I (but for me there is also a visual issue of not liking to see the hole, not that I worry about the internals per se). At least that was how I read it, not as fearmongering over MIM/IL.

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Focus on the front sight and not the lock …you will be just fine.
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Not to put my dog into the pit but...I think you misunderstand Carl's post. Know for a fact (thank's again Brother ) that he yanks the locks and plugs the holes and they then go BANG everytime. As do I (but for me there is also a visual issue of not liking to see the hole, not that I worry about the internals per se). At least that was how I read it, not as fearmongering over MIM/IL.

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To add on that thought, I also don't like the visual of the hole, and not a big fan of the way the plug looks there as well. Anyone know if there is any way to purely blend the whole with the steel to make it look as if there is no hole at all?
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Some interesting points when it comes to the video, but I'm not so sure. Maybe I'm just naive but this guy seems pretty pissed about that happening to his revolver lol. He's got a couple videos talking about it, and two more about a gunsmith describing the situtation, plus I believe he made a blog on this situation I can't seem to imagine why he would go through all this if it wasn't the lock up. Here I posted some more of the videos by this man.

1) YouTube - Why I'm Selling My New Smith & Wesson 686 for an Old Smith & Wesson 686
2) YouTube - Smith & Wesson Performance Center 686 handgun locks up pt. 2
3) YouTube - Smith & Wesson Performance Center 686 Internal Lock Failure Demo
4) YouTube - Smith & Wesson Performance Center 686 Internal Lock Failure Demo Pt. 2

The thing that I would be most worried about if this happened to me at a shooting range and it fully cocked back and locked up on a live round.
Yaaa, I saw those at the same time... not buying it all, the guy has 250 videos up. It's like watching Ghost Hunters on tv... trying to create a story, trying to turn fiction into fact. The whole scene of the initial lockup appeared absolutely staged. It was so staged the way he acted like he was pulling the trigger and it wasn't moving, problem is his finger wasn't pulling and he wasn't showing anything that would have demonstrated that it was locked up, then quickly the video is over. Come on, the video consists of only shooting his hand and the gun shooting 6 shots, when all the shots were spent, he suddenly and immediately pronounces the trigger is locked, he just fired 6 shots the gun was empty, why the 7th shot... oh ya, had to make the "it's locked up " statement.. I'm not saying that the lock has not malfunctioned, just saying that was a show..
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Could be right there turbo. Has anyone installed a "plug" on a 686-4 that can post a picture up? I'm searching for it on the forums. Also, If i was to reinstall the internal lock if something else was to happen to my revolver could I fool smith & wesson into thinking I haven't done anything to the gun in order to keep my guarantee?
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Just a question that has nothing to do with the OP, but exfebee----
HOW DID YOU GET THE CYLINDER OPEN AND THE HAMMER COCKED?
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Cock the hammer back, push the cylinder release forward, & swing the cylinder out. Or, do it the other way around. Be super careful if gun is loaded when you close the cylinder & pull the trigger. It hurts. By the way the 686-4 plain revolver does not have an IL. Perhaps the plus 7 shot model might.
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Could be right there turbo. Has anyone installed a "plug" on a 686-4 that can post a picture up? I'm searching for it on the forums. Also, If i was to reinstall the internal lock if something else was to happen to my revolver could I fool smith & wesson into thinking I haven't done anything to the gun in order to keep my guarantee?
The 686-4 is not an IL model.

Reinstall of the lock is about as difficult as removal. Meaning not very. My point being that if you have to send back to Smith for whatever reason, it's simple to put the lock back in and ship it so. There is a great tutorial (in reverse) on the forum regarding "The Plug".

No worries Brah!
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Something wrong with that video.. I'm sorry, but the end when he "acted" as though the trigger was locked, just did not look right.. looked staged to me!
I agree, this video looks very suspicous
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The 686-4 is not an IL model.
It's show with a IL on the smith-wesson website when you do a 360degree view.
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It's show with a IL on the smith-wesson website when you do a 360degree view.
A -4 isn't made anymore, that is a -8 (I think??) that you are looking at.
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Product: Model 686
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To repeat, the 686-4 is NOT an IL model.

This one you listed as a link is to the current 686-8. If you look at the site, there is NO mention of a dash designation, either -4 or -8, but...they haven't made the -4 since the 90's IIRC. Check SCSW for complete information on years of production.
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Old 05-10-2011, 10:33 AM
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Smile 686-6 lock

I am interested in buying an interlock for a S&W 686-6.

If anyone took theirs out and doesn't need it, I'll take it.

Thanks.
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Old 05-10-2011, 04:02 PM
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I am interested in buying an interlock for a S&W 686-6.

If anyone took theirs out and doesn't need it, I'll take it.

Thanks.
Thanks for the chuckle!
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It's show with a IL on the smith-wesson website when you do a 360degree view.
I think you're confusing the 4" barrel length with the model #. The 686-4, which is out of production as others indicated, came in a number of barrel lengths. Current model is at least a -6 and may be up to a -8 (mine is about a year old and is a -6, but mine is a 7-shot "plus" model). S&W website does not show the "dash" number of the model.

If you want to neuter the IL, a forum member (who has contributed to this thread) sells "The Plug" which fills the hole nicely. Installed one on my 686+ when I neutered the lock.
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I can't figured out "WHY" is it when someone ask a simple Question and states that he likes to buy new that he gets treated like he is the last sinner in the world and you guys are acting like a bunch of preachers that is going to save his soul from sin for buying a new Smith & Wesson. Why do you want to change someone and take his "FREEDOM" to choose what he buys from him?????????????????? I alway though that this Great Country was built on that one word and you are trying to take it away from people. I truely feel sorry for that group. I don't need to say names -or point and I didn't type this to upset anyone at all, just to remine you that this person can do what they want. When you live in a glass house you don't throw rocks at people around you. You can state your feelings, but when you state "That is junk buy the model "A" instead the new Chevy" is going across the line in "MY" eyes. I may be totaly wrong - If I am - I'm sorry, My 2 cents and $2 bucks will get you a ice tea .
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