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Anyone try Pachmayr rubber grips for 627?
I'm curious on your experiences. I've read certain instances where either the screw was too long, or the mainspring got in the way? Also would like to know if you prefer the standard or Decelerator model.. not sure if having something too soft and squishy is what I'm looking for. Right now I'm using Hogue Monogrips and for the most part.. they work.. but I don't really like the exposed backstrap and the grips themselves look ugly as sin.
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.......Right now I'm using Hogue Monogrips and for the most part.. they work.. but I don't really like the exposed backstrap and the grips themselves look ugly as sin.
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For looks, I prefer wood, but for shooting I prefer whatever works best for me and my guns are "Shooters" rather than "Lookers".
I don't have a 627, so I'm not familiar with the screw issues you speak of, but the grip screw being too long sounds like people tightening it too tight on a compressible material and the mainspring getting in the way sounds like people lessening trigger pull by loosening the mainspring's tension screw.
I just put a set of "Decelerators" on a 625JM and a 15-3, improving the "shootability" of both.
Mostly due to me having big hands and the covered backstrap lengthening the distance to the trigger.
The Pachmayrs are softer than wood, but not as squishy as the ribbed rubber grips on some Taurus models. YMMV, but I'm okay with the way they feel.
In fact, I'm in the process of putting "Decelerators" on every S&W revolver I own.
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I have pachmayr grips on several of my S&W shooters the grippers fit my hand really well and make the guns matural pointers. I find them much better fro me than Hogues on heavy calibers with the covered backstrap. I have a 29 that came with some Hogues and it pounds my hand much more that my 629 with Pach's. YMMV
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Had the same problem on a 627 Pro, tried the S&W wood boot grips and the mainspring was in the way of the screw. They use what appears to be the Wolff ribbed mainspring and I'm not sure if that is the problem or what but went back to the monogrips.
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04-28-2011, 12:34 PM
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I'm particularly more interested in the various Pachmayr. I know they'll never look as good as wood, but I'm going with mostly function right now.
Main area of interest is regular Grippers vs the Decelerators. Unfortunately, I'm nowhere near a store that has both that I can try out. I'm just afraid that Decelerators are too squishy. How do they compare with Hogue Monos?
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04-29-2011, 12:16 AM
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Also, not sure if anyone can answer this.. but for the 627 specifically, should I get round butt or square butt? Will both work? Mine came with a square butt adapter for the Hogue rubbers
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wolf springs
The problem crops up with pachmayrs with the wolf "power rib" springs, I like the springs a lot, But some pachmyrs just wont work with them
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I'm particularly more interested in the various Pachmayr. I know they'll never look as good as wood, but I'm going with mostly function right now.
Main area of interest is regular Grippers vs the Decelerators. Unfortunately, I'm nowhere near a store that has both that I can try out. I'm just afraid that Decelerators are too squishy. How do they compare with Hogue Monos?
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I don't care for the Hogue Monos simply because of the "sticky" rubber that Hogue uses. The Pachmayr Decelerators work well and really tame felt recoil, but I found them to be a little too wide from front to back. Even though I don't have small hands, these grips made the trigger a bit of a reach. I settled on a pair of Ahrends Retro Combats.
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I use rubber grips on my snubbie SD weapons. I favor the Pachmayr Compacs, which cover the backstrap, have NO finger grooves, and give a good grip, and tame recoil without feeling squishy......
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I ordered the Decelerators for squarebutt. Hopefully they'll work out. Problem with the Hogue Monogrips, they're a bit too small for my hands as well.
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the pachmyr professional grip, has an open back strap that gives a little less reach for the trigger, also they will work with the wolf power rib main spring= my grip and spring of choice
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I prefer Pachmayr Presentation grips for shooting hard kicking N-frames like 27's. The problem is, I think they have discontinued them in favor of the newer models, so finding them is a chance event. I have also used them on my Colt New Services, and they work well there. That model has been discontinued even longer, but I have found a couple of sets.
Added: With a little digging, I found that Presentation grips are still made for N-frame round and square butts. We're out of luck on New Services, though.
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the pachmyr professional grip, has an open back strap that gives a little less reach for the trigger, also they will work with the wolf power rib main spring= my grip and spring of choice
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I wish Pachmayr made their Professional grip for my round butt PC 627 UDR, but, unfortunately, they only make it for square butt N-frames.
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they make pro. grips for k-frames I have 3
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My hands are large too... I prefer and use the old style Pachmayr "Presentations," opting for these SB grips on some of my RB N frames. They cover the back strap yet have a firmer rubber compound than factory Hogues. They fit a tad loose but not enough to be noticeable or in any way influence accuracy.
Below is a picture of camo Pachmayr Presentations on a 629-6. They are on one of my current hunting guns -- ugly but functional.....
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they make pro. grips for k-frames I have 3
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Yes, I have a couple of pair myself, but this thread is about the OP's N-frame 627 so I was speaking of N-frame options only.
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I don't own a 627 but I do have a 629 and for shooting she wears either the X-Frame grip for real magnum ammo or these Pachmayr Presentation grips for everything else. I love the slight amount of rubber covering all the steel and the way they look.
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Groo here
The Pac grip was most used when most officers still used revolvers.
With the gun in a border patrol holster on a sam brown belt,
we would be hitting the grips on everything..
They also took the sting out of shooting magnum loads.
HINT: grease the inside of the grip and the frame will stop
rusting, trust me on this--I know..
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N Frame Presentation Grips
I have Presentation grips on two N frame 629's with Square Butts that have been converted to .45 Colt by Hamilton Bowen. I deliberately buy the older grips with no medallion, as I think the all black looks good on a stainless gun. When I go on Pachmayr's website, they list a RB to SB conversion grip, but I think it is listed as a "small" and is not as big as the one that is marked "large" on the inside of the grip. They do not appear to have the large in a RB to SB conversion model, like they do on the Presentation grip for the SB frame. I see on this thread there is a photo of a Large Presentation grip, in a camo pattern, on what I think is a 629-6. Aren't 629-6's RB guns? If so, I guess that is what the owner said about them going on, being a little loose, but working fine. That is my question I guess: Can you just put the SB grips on a RB gun if you want the Large Presentation grip size? Many Thanks for the help!
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I have Presentation grips on two N frame 629's with Square Butts that have been converted to .45 Colt by Hamilton Bowen. I deliberately buy the older grips with no medallion, as I think the all black looks good on a stainless gun. When I go on Pachmayr's website, they list a RB to SB conversion grip, but I think it is listed as a "small" and is not as big as the one that is marked "large" on the inside of the grip. They do not appear to have the large in a RB to SB conversion model, like they do on the Presentation grip for the SB frame. I see on this thread there is a photo of a Large Presentation grip, in a camo pattern, on what I think is a 629-6. Aren't 629-6's RB guns? If so, I guess that is what the owner said about them going on, being a little loose, but working fine. That is my question I guess: Can you just put the SB grips on a RB gun if you want the Large Presentation grip size? Many Thanks for the help!
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I've tried them on three of my RB N frame guns and they work fine on all three. They are the large size intended for SB frames and were not "conversion" grips. I too was surprised they work as well as they do.
I can grip the bottom of the Pachmayrs and wiggle them with some effort about 1/32 of an inch when tight. I haven't tried them on an L or a K frame but I would expect the same result.
There are many of the old "Presentations" around. I'd suggest anyone interested give them a try and it they fit your hand well I believe you'll be pleased.
I took a quick picture of how the frame fits inside the grip. The stock alignment pins hold the grips at the bottom of the frame and the rear portion of the stocks seem to keep the grips from moving, even with hotter loads.
The areas where the RB frame is much smaller than the grip cavity could easily be filled with something if needed. Both these camo and other large black Presentation Pachmayr's work for me..... They look like they'd be very loose but it's surprising how tight they actually are on the guns...
Hope this gives you some options...
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The decelerator I've used was a clamshell design that covered the backstrap. It is possible to over-tighten the screw which causes it to protrude on the off side and will also distort the grip on the frame.
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The decelerator I've used was a clamshell design that covered the backstrap. It is possible to over-tighten the screw which causes it to protrude on the off side and will also distort the grip on the frame.
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As clearly indicated, these aren't "Decelerators" but the "Presentation" type that are thicker and two piece. Before anyone speculates on how they might fit the gun without trying them -- do try them if they fit your larger hand.
I'd like to hear from others if they don't get the same result after actually using the grips. There are thousands of these grips out there and everyone interested should be able to find some to try....
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Mine are also made for a square butt. I have three pair of them and the one on the 629 has thicker rubber in front than the other two. The thicker rubber makes it work where the other two would not. I have no idea what the difference is with them. They are all three marked the same inside, but fit with many of Pachmayr’s products can be iffy sometimes. One of the other two came on my 28 and the rubber on the front of it is almost paper thin. I do agree the models without the medallions look better though. These are hands down my favorite shooting grips until it gets hot and heavy and then the Hogue X frame grip goes on. That is pretty rare for me.
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Mine are also made for a square butt. I have three pair of them and the one on the 629 has thicker rubber in front than the other two. The thicker rubber makes it work where the other two would not. I have no idea what the difference is with them. They are all three marked the same inside, but fit with many of Pachmayr’s products can be iffy sometimes. One of the other two came on my 28 and the rubber on the front of it is almost paper thin. I do agree the models without the medallions look better though. These are hands down my favorite shooting grips until it gets hot and heavy and then the Hogue X frame grip goes on. That is pretty rare for me.
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Good info here and I agree about the Hogue X frame grips....
I thought I had better double check the fit of the Pachmayr grip styles I have....
Here is another picture of 4 styles..
The two on the right are large size N frames. They fit almost identically with the camos having a slight edge. The black Presentations had thinner rubber and I could feel a little emptiness where the gun frame didn't fill the cavity.
The second from the left are small size N frames. They do have thicker rubber and had the tightest fit of all. They aren't two piece but the clam shell type. Again, all the grips shown are Square butt.
The last are the clam shell finger grip type. They are large size N frames. These don't have rubber material covering the back strap and that leaves a large area of openness where the square butt frame should fit..
All of them were suitable in tightness for shooting, but two were just slightly looser than the other two. My conclusion is they are a good inexpensive option for large utility "beat around" rubber grips that fit larger hands... but try before you buy....
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I have a pair of the Pachmayr "Decelerator" grips on my 8 shot 627 PC, (round butt). I use this gun to shoot ICORE, where the power factor is only 120. Since the power factor is relatively low, they are not needed for recoil reduction. Instead, I prefer them to the Houge grips that came with the gun, simply because they seem to fill my hand better. The other nice feature of the decelerator grips is the palm swell. The presentation grips don't have this feature.
It is easy to over tighten the screw so that it protrudes out the other side, however when you over tighten the screw, the grips pull away from the gun.
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I have a pair of the Pachmayr "Decelerator" grips on my 8 shot 627 PC, (round butt). I use this gun to shoot ICORE, where the power factor is only 120. Since the power factor is relatively low, they are not needed for recoil reduction. Instead, I prefer them to the Houge grips that came with the gun, simply because they seem to fill my hand better. The other nice feature of the decelerator grips is the palm swell. The presentation grips don't have this feature.
It is easy to over tighten the screw so that it protrudes out the other side, however when you over tighten the screw, the grips pull away from the gun.
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Awesome, so I need to get the round butt one? I have the same gun and I was curious which one I needed because mine came with the Hogue square butt adapter.
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As an update, I got the round-butt Decelerator for my 627. Not as "squishy" as I had initially thought.. which is a good thing. Not sure how much of an improvement it is over the Hogue rubber ones that came with my gun, but atleast it covers the entire back. One thing that was just flat-out stupid is how the screw that came with this gun was way too long. I had to grind it down with a Dremel.
So in my opinion to any one else looking at these.. really not worth purchasing unless you get it cheap or really want the back covered.
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I started off shooting Magnum S&W revolvers with Presentations in the 1970's. (Picture grumpy old man here, saying "That's all we had, and we LIKED 'em!") I found I liked the Gripper variant better. Stocks with finger grooves rarely fit my hand, but these did. I, too, think the Hogues are too soft and rubbery.
Side note, I am pretty sure all of the Model 627's are round butt frames.
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