Looked at Wolf and Brownells web sites couldn't find a redduced power spring/kit for my 460VXR. Any ideas?

FWIW, I called Wolff and after a few questions, the supervisor said that he had nothing that would improve the trigger pull in any way unless I was willing to risk unreliable primer ignition.

Very handsome grips, where did you get them? Thanks, Don

Karl Nill, they give excellent control and made with German precision. Pricy but beautiful european walnut.

I'm trying out the upgraded K/L/N wolff hammer spring tomorrow am on the 460.
It seems to be nothing more than a bent version of the stock spring,
so it makes me wonder.
This spring will need to ignite large magnum rifle primers, so I am not expecting too much from this kit.
I've already put in a 13# trigger rebound from my j frame wolff kit, so I will let you know.
Trigger pull not measured yet, but It already feels much smoother for a long distance shot.

If want to reduce trigger pull I would suggest changing your rebound spring first.

They are the same in K,L,N and X frames
They are available in 13,14,15 lbs.
Typically I end up using the 14 lb

If you want to change the Mainspring use the type 2 Wolf
These are also the same as used in K,L,N frames.
In some X frames I have have had issues when changing the mainspring with light primer strikes.

You can not tell what tension a spring will produce by looking at them. material, material thickness and shape, all influence spring behavior. Each manufacture gets there a little differently.

Besides wolf I have used Uberti mainsprings with good results, they are available from Brownells


Good luck and be safe
Ruggy

Would this be a good idea in a 500 Magnum?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZxg-jkNta8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql-BmvKFAkM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT9RUC-UHAo

Double taps are a shooter issue.

Notice the low grip each shooter had.

Doubles on xframes are OWNER error
Giving the gun to an inexperienced shooter with more than 1 cartridge loaded is NOT the beginners fault. Lets not remind ourselves of the recent tragedy...

Yes i plan on ringing 100-300yd gongs off hand iron sights. The single action pull needed to be brought down a touch. Some polishing and new springs have helped but bringing the stock mainspring as well if it doesnt go well

You don’t need large magnum rifle primers. Large rifle primers are all that is needed. Check Hodgdon’s data. A too energetic primer can cause more problems than it might solve and the .500 Mag doesn’t have any performance problems that need to be solved. Don

Nice grips... nice target, at what distance, 100yds?

I cringe anytime I see an inexperienced / novice shooter firing a 500 Mag.
Its on par with giving a new driver a Ferrari and waiting for the oops.

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Unfortunately, there are still problems with my brain in solving a non-existent problem.
I started out my loads with the CCI 250's and will keep them that way for now, until my loads change.


Ok, range update, This adds nothing to the knowledge base of the SW forums except to state that actual range time with the reduced power Wilson spring shows exactly what the Wolff tech had previsouly stated above.
Did not try any other primer other than CCI 250 Primers. FTF with all 5 rounds,
Primer strikes made a mild dent, much less deep than the stock spring,


Was originally going to put this in my essentially untouched 686, but at this point not even going try this out, Just going to toss it into the always growing parts bin. At least I got some reduced trigger rebound springs, which I do use.

The trigger pull was really lightened, but for any practical purpose, much too light.

YMMV, but FWIW dont waste your time on the X's.

CCI have the hardest cups. use Federal or WLR.

Personally I won't use CCI in the 500 because of this.

I recommend everyone hand loading or even just shooting the 500 should read John Ross's paper on this gun. It can found on his web site.

I purposely load with CCI in multiple calibers to ensure my system ignites the hard primers reliably.
Thanks for the heads up on the read from John Ross.

First, the use of a magnum primer is not required in the 500 nor does it's use ensure reliability.

Looking at ammo manufactures loading data demonstrates this clearly, even when used with magnum powders like H110.
The internet has created another myth here.

In my opinion S&W has taken a very conservative approach to firing pin length which I believe to be the root cause of most FTF in the 500. This is not to say main spring tension can be reduced to any extreme or needs to so high as to require a 8 lb trigger pull. I believe they did this in response to early problems they encountered with the use of pistol primers and resulting primer ruptures. The ends of the 500 firing pins also appear to be more rounded than those in the 460. While I corrected this issue in my personal guns now and they will ignite primers without regard to manufacture, others I shoot with have guns that will not shot CCI primers, hence my decision to use a primer with a softer cup which solves the issue with creating any new ones.

For reference I use H110, 2400, A#9, IMR 4227, Lil'gun and N110 without issue out of the 500 as well as the 460 without any ignition issues with standard rifle primers.

Most of these powders will not burn properly without adequate pressure developed in the case. Don't try to make reduced loads with these powders even if you are compensating by using magnum primers. Magnum primers have there uses, they need to be appropriately applied in regards to powder, case volume, and other internal ballistic characteristics. Just because someone says they do it does not mean it is a sound practice.

Few of us have they necessary tools to understand and document what is going on in the case and barrel when the cartridge is fired. Manufactures spend a lot of time and money to ensure the cartridges they produce will function safely. As a hand loader I would advocate you stay between the lines.

Good luck and be safe
Ruggy

Thanks ruggy for your insight again. I initially started with magnum primers as the hodgon site recommends them and I had been cross referencing with my Hornady manual which has the standard LRP. I will test out some loads with the standard LRP next. but just for sake of argument regarding original topic of this post stock hammer spring does work most reliably with the 460