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What is the difference between a mountain gun and the others?
What makes a mountain gun?
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The Mountain Guns have a tapered barrel. It's like the difference in a 1950 Target Model .44 Spl and a M29 .44 Magnum. The latter's barrel is much heavier.
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The first Mountain Gun was a 629 .44 Magnum. There have been a few variations over the years. They all have these things in common:
Tappered, 4" Barrel
Adjustable sights
Round Butt
Most are built on the N frame, although the .357 was made on the L frame.
Calibers include .44 Magnum, .45 Colt, .45 ACP, .41 Magnum, and .357 Magnum. I think that is all, but I might have missed one. The .45 Colt has been made in both Stainless and Blue. I believe the rest have all been stainless.
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My .41 mag mountain gun does not have RR/WO sights.
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The 41 Magnum and 44 Magnum have both been made in blue as well.




Traditionally Mountain Guns have black Baughman front sights and no outline rear sights.

Also all Mountain Guns have black powder bevels on the cylinders.
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I can add a few details.
The front cylinder edge of Mountain Guns are beveled. That's called a black powder bevel. The only sight combination I've noticed on Mountain Guns other than a plain black ramp front and plain black adjustable rear is the red ramp and white outline on the .45 ACPs made about 2000.

.41 magnum and .45 Colt Mountain Guns were made in blued and stainless, one batch of each color in .41 mag., one batch of blued .45 Colts and multiple batches of stainless .45 Colts.

I don't think Mountain Guns were ever continuously available cataloged items. They only came out in batches, apparently when distributors ordered them. Some of the batches like the .41s, blued .45 colts and .45 ACPs were never repeated so they only exist in small numbers. The only cartridge that was repeated often enough that you've just about always been able to find one is .44 magnum.

When they were introduced they were the lightest big bores S&W had produced since the .44 specials made in the 1980s and the lightest .44 magnums made. They lost that claim to fame when the aluminum & titanium revolvers were introduced in the 1990s.

Edit to add: colt saa got part of this up ahead of me. That happens to us slow writers. He also posted a picture of one I forgot, a blued .44 magnum commemorative. Since were adding commemoratives, there was also the 1994 Springfield Armory Commemorative .45 ACP which was a Mountain Gun in every detail except its name.

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So no blue .45 acp?
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I have a 629-4 MG with red ramp front and white outline rear. I bought it used, no box, so I guess the former owner(s) could have modified the sights but if so I am glad they did.
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So no blue .45 acp?
Correct. Considering that an adjustable sight is part of the definition on "Mountain Gun", the closest thing would be a rare revolver from the 1950s or before. Whether revolvers that meet the Mountain Gun definition were made back then and how many were made would make an interesting question for a thread in the 1896-1961 forum. There are however, a fair number of cut down 1917s around, like mine with a J frame sight and a Redfield Sour Dough blade in a shorty rifle ramp on its 4" barrel.

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My current MG is a 629 and it has all the features listed and is a joy to pack. The very first MG I had was 29-8 (blued) with the 4 screw frame.
I have heard that the frame were left overs from a 'classic' run about the same time.
I never warmed up to it and one thing that stood out was it DIDN'T have the black powder beveled cylinder like my 629 does.
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Here's one I just picked up. I had several Model 29 but always like the look of the Mountain.
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I've got a blue M25, .45 Colt Mountain Gun. It came through with some really nice wood stocks on it.

I bought it new over six months ago and haven't put the first round through it yet. All of my .45 Colt shooting lately has been through my Ruger Bisley Blackhawk. It is such a blast to shoot. I guess I ought to take the M25 out and just see what it can do.

When I bought the M25, they had both the blue and stainless versions in stock, as well as the .45 Colt Ruger Redhawk. I really played with all three for quite a while. But, in the end, I felt the blue M25 was so much better looking and it had a much smoother action than the other two. One of the guys working there tried to talk me into the Redhawk because, in his words, "it is so much stronger than the Smiths". I didn't really need stronger as I already had the Bisley if I needed stronger.
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Is this a 396 Mountain Lite considered a mountain gun?




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Heres a 629-2 Pre MIM non Mountain marked Mountain gun...




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Here is my 625 Mountain Gun. I love the 45 Colt cartridge, and the MG makes an ideal companion in the Georgia woods. It throws a large bullet at a moderate velocity without being too unpleasant for plinking.
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Heres a 629-2 Pre MIM non Mountain marked Mountain gun...



Was that custom made using a 624 barrel, or did it come like that?
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Here;s a 686-5 Mountain Gun, .357 Mag., 7 round cylinder.

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[...] The very first MG I had was 29-8 (blued) with the 4 screw frame.
I have heard that the frame were left overs from a 'classic' run about the same time.
I never warmed up to it and one thing that stood out was it DIDN'T have the black powder beveled cylinder like my 629 does.
Other than the S&W Collectors' Association 25th Anniversary commemorative colt saa posted a picture of I had not heard of any blued .44 magnum Mountain Guns. Was your 29-8 marked "Mountain Gun"? It does sound like S&W used up left over parts and it may be one of a very small batch.

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No, a 396 is not a Mountain Gun. Like the Back Packer, Trail Boss and others, S&W chose to give those 396s their own model name, "Mountain Lite". Besides, all the revolvers that S&W has labeled "Mountain Guns" have 4" barrels.

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Going purely on memory, I think your 629-2 is a Mountain Revolver rather than a Mountain Gun. The Mountain Revolvers were made first and were not marked with their model name. S&W did not change anything except the name when they relabeled them Mountain Guns, and in this thread were calling commemoratives that also have their own names Mountain Guns so I'm happy with either label on yours.

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Yes it was blued , had the 4 screw frame and said Mountain Gun on the barrel. it was the same as my 629 except for the bevel on the cylinder.
Thinking back, I may be wrong on the 29-# but I thought it was a -8
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Here is my 625 Mountain Gun. I love the 45 Colt cartridge, and the MG makes an ideal companion in the Georgia woods. It throws a large bullet at a moderate velocity without being too unpleasant for plinking.
I heartily concur!
Here's my 625 Mountain Gun, in 45 Colt.

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I have a stainless model 66, 4 inch, fluted cylinder K-frame.
The barrel is not as heavy as my L-frame 681, but does not appear as obviously tapered as the 1950.
Is this considered a mountain gun?
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I have a stainless model 66, 4 inch, fluted cylinder K-frame.
The barrel is not as heavy as my L-frame 681, but does not appear as obviously tapered as the 1950.
Is this considered a mountain gun?
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Only reason I ask is the half lug gives it the same appearance.
The answer, at least, is appreciated.
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Only reason I ask is the half lug gives it the same appearance.
The answer, at least, is appreciated.
The half lug was standard on 66's, but with a heavy barrel. Most "Mountain Guns" are N-frames. The only 357 Mtn Gun is the L-frame 686+.
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Doesn't the Mountain Gun designation just date back to the mid 80's? Or when did they actually start calling them MGs?
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Here's 3 examples. From left to right a 686+, a 629, and a 625 in .45 Colt. All are wearing Ahrends grips.
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Doesn't the Mountain Gun designation just date back to the mid 80's? Or when did they actually start calling them MGs?
I could be wrong, but I think the first marked Mtn Guns were in the 90's. Pre-mim Mtn Guns are pretty scarce.
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One eye Joe, those Ahrends grips look sharp on those MGs! Personally, I prefer the look of the 686 MG over the standard 686. The half lug reminds me of the old M27. I need to keep my eyes peeled for one.
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I could be wrong, but I think the first marked Mtn Guns were in the 90's. Pre-mim Mtn Guns are pretty scarce.
I've never been sure.

The question for me comes in when so many 25's and 29's were made that fit the descriptions mentioned. They were just not called Mtn Guns.

But I have always lusted after a 625 Mtn Gun.
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Here's another example of an early 629-2 "Mountain Revolver". Production was limited to 5000 units in 1989 and it differed from later Mountain Guns by it's hard-chromed forged internals, satin finish, and Pachmayer grips.







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I've never been sure.

The question for me comes in when so many 25's and 29's were made that fit the descriptions mentioned. They were just not called Mtn Guns.

But I have always lusted after a 625 Mtn Gun.
I have two Mtn Guns, a 629-6 44 Mag, & a 625-6 45 Colt. Honestly I think I would prefer the 44 in the std 4" HB. But the 45 Colt is about ideal, I really like it, my 45 is pre-lock, but does have a MIM hammer & trigger, the 44 is an IL gun, but I removed the lock & replaced it with "The Plug". If you're gonna' lust after a Mtn Gun, the 45 Colt is the one to have, IMHO.
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One eye Joe, those Ahrends grips look sharp on those MGs! Personally, I prefer the look of the 686 MG over the standard 686. The half lug reminds me of the old M27. I need to keep my eyes peeled for one.
Thanks for the kind words. Try to find a 686+ MG, no lock, forged parts, 7 shots. I looked for a 625 MG in .45ACP for a long time w/o success. I ended up with a 4" Model of 1989 instead. It's a beautiful revolver, EXTREMELY accurate, and a joy to shoot. I'd still like to have a MG in.45ACP.......
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But I have always lusted after a 625 Mtn Gun.
I am a couple of hours north of central GA, but let me know if you want me to keep an eye open for one. It was probably just good timing, but I found three 25/625 MGs within a few months of looking.
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I did not realize that the blued .45 Colt Mountain Guns were all that rare. In spite of my misgivings about the damnable internal lock, I bought one new in the box in 2004. Here's a snapshot:



However, that lock and the fact that these guns would show holster wear in time gnawed on me, and I commenced a search for another .45 Colt Mountain Gun, but in stainless. I found it.

This is my idea of the perfect trail gun. It's a 625-6, dating from February of 1996. Note that it has no internal lock, and to boot, it has the traditional hammer-mounted firing pin.

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I did not realize that the blued .45 Colt Mountain Guns were all that rare. In spite of my misgivings about the damnable internal lock, I bought one new in the box in 2004. Here's a snapshot:



However, that lock and the fact that these guns would show holster wear in time gnawed on me, and I commenced a search for another .45 Colt Mountain Gun, but in stainless. I found it.

This is my idea of the perfect trail gun. It's a 625-6, dating from February of 1996. Note that it has no internal lock, and to boot, it has the traditional hammer-mounted firing pin.

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Well John, you made me go to the safe & look. I stated in an earler post my 625-6 had a MIM hammer & trigger, it doesn't. They're forged, with the hammer nose firing pin. But the color case hardening doesn't look as good as yours. Mine also has the new style slant cylinder latch. I'm guessing yours has been changed, along with the (at least) front sight. I don't know why S&W put those nearly impossible to see black sights on a gun obviously intended for field carry, not paper targets.
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I am a couple of hours north of central GA, but let me know if you want me to keep an eye open for one. It was probably just good timing, but I found three 25/625 MGs within a few months of looking.
Man I'll take any help I can get to find one around here that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
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Mountain Revolver that's had a little work done on it:



In addition to the ports and fiber sight, it's had the trigger
contoured and polished mirror bright, crane detent lockup,
action job including forcing cone recut. It now wears the 500
Magnum grips. The ports do dramatically reduce muzzle flip
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HAD a 4" 657 MG that I really liked till I bought a 3" 657. Was great to shoot with light loads, but was brutal with hot magnums. A PAST shooting glove tamed it down though. They make a puusycat out of most magnums. Wish I would have kept it as it was a great shooter and easy to pack.

Nice revolvers guys! Their giving me Mountain Fever
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Well John, you made me go to the safe & look. I stated in an earler post my 625-6 had a MIM hammer & trigger, it doesn't. They're forged, with the hammer nose firing pin. But the color case hardening doesn't look as good as yours. Mine also has the new style slant cylinder latch. I'm guessing yours has been changed, along with the (at least) front sight. I don't know why S&W put those nearly impossible to see black sights on a gun obviously intended for field carry, not paper targets.
Sounds like we think alike. Yes, I changed out the front sight for a red ramp type so that it would stand out in the field against any background. Also, as I detest the slant-style cylinder latch, I changed it out with one of the old-style latches. Since this gun is intended for open holster carry in the field, I equipped it with a set of round-to-square conversion Ahrends retro targets. This style of stock gives me plenty to hang onto. All of this plus an action job by Nelson Ford make it as perfect a field gun as I can think of. Handloads with 250-grain semiwadcutters over a charge of Unique that drive them to a little over 1000 fps complete the setup.

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Would a 396 Mountain Lite (Bite) .44 special be considered a mountain gun
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TRUE Mountain Guns are marked as such........
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Sounds like we think alike. Yes, I changed out the front sight for a red ramp type so that it would stand out in the field against any background. Also, as I detest the slant-style cylinder latch, I changed it out with one of the old-style latches. Since this gun is intended for open holster carry in the field, I equipped it with a set of round-to-square conversion Ahrends retro targets. This style of stock gives me plenty to hang onto. All of this plus an action job by Nelson Ford make it as perfect a field gun as I can think of. Handloads with 250-grain semiwadcutters over a charge of Unique that drive them to a little over 1000 fps complete the setup.

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John, that's exactly the load I use in mine, accurate as can be, no leading, & pleasant to shoot. What else can you ask of it? The original Army requirement for the 45 Colt was to fully penetrate a horse at the shoulders. They determined that it would at about 900 fps, which was the original BP loading. That loading should handle most anything it would come up against. I actually prefer the new style cylinder latch, though. I find it much easier to operate, & more positive in operation. Different strokes, I suppose.
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Here's my 625 mtn gun in 45 colt. I did a little work on it. Bobbed the hammer, installed an XS big dot front sight, and C&S extreme duty fixed rear sight.


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The half lug was standard on 66's, but with a heavy barrel. Most "Mountain Guns" are N-frames. The only 357 Mtn Gun is the L-frame 686+.
I see. Thanks for the info!
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Traditionally Mountain Guns have black Baughman front sights and no outline rear sights.

Also all Mountain Guns have black powder bevels on the cylinders.
FYI: The 686+-5 Mountain gun came with a white outline rear sight and no bevel on the cylinder.
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