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Not trying to bud in here, the Kernel IS the master of serial#'s. The 17D serial# prefix dates to 1982-83.
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Thanks for the info. The guy I got it from is trying to tell me that it is from 1984. Is it possible that it sat for 10 or 11 years before it was shipped ?
No. Why would they when they can sell every gun they can make? In fact, the guns are already sold BEFORE they're made. Smith makes guns to fill orders, not on the come, 99% are put on a truck and shipped to the distributor with 24 hours of final assembly. Smith's customer is the distributor.
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Not trying to bud in here, the Kernel IS the master of serial#'s. The 17D serial# prefix dates to 1982-83.
Thank you for the kind words. I have collected a lot of data, but I've only focused on s/n's that begin with three letters and end with four numbers. I don't know much about the old s/n systems that S&W has used in the past. Like everyone else, what's in the Standard Catalog.
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My brother just returned my old (?) 4 inch, square butt, S&W Model 65-1 .357 Magnum, pinned and recessed, serial number 1D174** with MPD 55 on the left of the frame above the forward end of the trigger guard. Hes had it for years and I cant find my records for this particular revolver.

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Your Model 65-1 dates to about 1976.
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Luckily, S&W didn't mark up their Bicentennial guns! With the MPD 55 marking, I may need to letter it.

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I'm sure I'm doing this 100% wrong but I just joined this forum tonight and I cannot figure out how to start a new thread/post. I've spent two hours looking so I'll have to ask a moderator how it's done. I bought an older S&W .38 spl model 36, 3" barrel, and I'm trying to figure out how old it is. I read this original post and I have some numbers, and I apologize for likely posting this in the wrong place, but I'm hoping someone can assist me.
On the yoke is says MOD 36. Adjacent to that are the numbers 32955, and then there is a large G2 stamped under that. On the bottom of the grip is 175J20. Other than the traditional S&W stamp, Smith & Wesson stamped on the left side of the barrel, and 38 S&W Special (followed by three letters I can't make out) on the other side, I can't find any other markings on the gun.
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I'm sure I'm doing this 100% wrong but I just joined this forum tonight and I cannot figure out how to start a new thread/post. I've spent two hours looking so I'll have to ask a moderator how it's done. I bought an older S&W .38 spl model 36, 3" barrel, and I'm trying to figure out how old it is. I read this original post and I have some numbers, and I apologize for likely posting this in the wrong place, but I'm hoping someone can assist me.
On the yoke is says MOD 36. Adjacent to that are the numbers 32955, and then there is a large G2 stamped under that. On the bottom of the grip is 175J20. Other than the traditional S&W stamp, Smith & Wesson stamped on the left side of the barrel, and 38 S&W Special (followed by three letters I can't make out) on the other side, I can't find any other markings on the gun.
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Serial# 175J20 dates to about 1972.
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Greetings! Have been around for a while, foolishly sold a really nice 686 a few years ago and am stalking a replacement. I've come across a 686-6 that is also advertised as a "Distinguished Combat" model. The S/N is CTU2066. Has adjustable rear sight, rubber grips, 4" bbl and seems to be pretty clean. Does that S/N correlate to the "Distinguished Combat" designation and what does "Distinguished Combat" mean in terms of this particular 686-6? Thanks in advance!
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.... a 686-6 that is also advertised as a "Distinguished Combat" model. The S/N is CTU2066. ....
It would of shipped in....

January - February of 2013.

All model 686's are called Distinguish Combat Magnum. It's a catalog name, never inscribed on the gun itself.
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Welcome to the Forum,
Serial#'s for these are hard to pin down with the information available.
1960 70000
1965 108087

Your's is in there somewhere. I would speculate 1962ish, but without a historical letter it's just a guess.
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Thank you for the kind words. I have collected a lot of data, but I've only focused on s/n's that begin with three letters and end with four numbers. I don't know much about the old s/n systems that S&W has used in the past. Like everyone else, what's in the Standard Catalog.
I finally purchased the 3rd edition S&W book and was/am wondering about page 400+ production dates using the alpha-numeric serial numbers. Back in 2013, 824tsv helped me nail down my particular 686's shipping date, using the "Special Order" number that is date specific. Now that I have the 3rd edition book, I am seeing just how "general" that information is. SOoo...I am wondering if you might be keeping a tally of the queries from our members who also HAVE the OEM boxes that give "specific shipping dates"?

Looks like that kind of info would fit in an Excel spreadsheet, and fill in the gaps in the page 400 S&W production run numbers' time spans ... Hmm...?

The reason I ask, is that I just picked up another 686, but this time without a box/label. The only way I got around this conundrum is that the new-to-me 686 No-dash has the very same "alpha prefix" (AUExxxx)!

Knowing that very few, if any, S&W members are/were willing to shell out $50 for a S&W Factory letter, I thought there might be a better way. And with 4,400+ posts on this thread, many seem to miss knowing/posting their particular "SPEC. ORD." numbers if they happen to know them. Watcha' think?

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The Spec. Ord. code doesn't always work out into a Julian date code. I've seen many end labels where the last 3 digits in the code is above 365, so the code isn't always a date. I remember reading or hearing, not sure which, that the code is the date the firearm was completed and boxed and ready to be sent to the shipping department. I don't know how long a particular firearm sat in the vault back then (80's) but you would think that some of the non popular models sat for a considerable time before being shipped to a customer. I'm pretty sure this has been covered before, the Kernel will chime in to confirm hopefully, that the codes above 365 were special order items.
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The Spec. Ord. code doesn't always work out into a Julian date code. I've seen many end labels where the last 3 digits in the code is above 365, so the code isn't always a date. I remember reading or hearing, not sure which, that the code is the date the firearm was completed and boxed and ready to be sent to the shipping department. I don't know how long a particular firearm sat in the vault back then (80's) but you would think that some of the non popular models sat for a considerable time before being shipped to a customer. I'm pretty sure this has been covered before, the Kernel will chime in to confirm hopefully, that the codes above 365 were special order items.
Understood. FWIW, my 686 with all paperwork, box, 8/30/1986 dated LGS receipts (hand written & register), stamped OEM grips (April 26, 1986), ...ALONG with the "Special Order #6142" aka shipping date, pretty much nails down AUExxxx production to at least include April and May of 1986. I might suggest that any "last-three numbers" higher than 365-6 still be considered as December 31st of that year.

I guess my point is, that if we do not record actual "known" facts when they do come along, then we ALL fall prey to S&W book's Catch 22 conclusion on page 400 (first paragraph) that all of the "following" production dates/alpha# are not to be believed but here they are anyway... IMO, such a declaratory proclamation should at least offer some examples of when such a thing occurred and with what models.
Just my $0.02 worth...
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Not sure exactly what you're asking for, but I will tell you that I have been collecting serial numbers and special order numbers and product codes and details on Smith revolvers from box labels for many years.

My collection is approaching 5,000 entries. I started because I noticed the Standard Catalog would often be in disagreement with box labels I had in hand. I thought it would be a good idea if we as a community had a second source for ship dates.

Like when you get a diagnosis from a doctor, they say it's wise to get a second opinion from another doctor, from another hospital, at least 50 miles away. I decided to become that second doctor. My dates and observations are in no way based on the Standard Catalog.

I had seen too many threads with conflicted ship dates, where multiple parties were using the same source material, and still disagreeing with each other. At least I can bring something fresh to the discussion.

About 1 in 80 special order numbers will not be a date. Is general, those are on guns that are obviously something non-standard. Guns with special features, uncommon configurations, limited availability. It's pretty obvious they are a special gun.

Not sure I answered your question in that rambling response. If not rephrase it and ask it again.
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Not sure exactly what you're asking for, but I will tell you that I have been collecting serial numbers and special order numbers and product codes and details on Smith revolvers from box labels for many years.

My collection is approaching 5,000 entries. I started because I noticed the Standard Catalog would often be in disagreement with box labels I had in hand. I thought it would be a good idea if we as a community had a second source for ship dates.

Like when you get a diagnosis from a doctor, they say it's wise to get a second opinion from another doctor, from another hospital, at least 50 miles away. I decided to become that second doctor. My dates and observations are in no way based on the Standard Catalog.

I had seen too many threads with conflicted ship dates, where multiple parties were using the same source material, and still disagreeing with each other. At least I can bring something fresh to the discussion.

About 1 in 80 special order numbers will not be a date. Is general, those are on guns that are obviously something non-standard. Guns with special features, uncommon configurations, limited availability. It's pretty obvious they are a special gun.

Not sure I answered your question in that rambling response. If not rephrase it and ask it again.
Absolutely answered my question/concern! Thank you.
We should all understand anomalies, and that they do not necessarily stand for the norm, lacking hard-copy proof otherwise.

My point earlier, is that when we actually DO HAVE concrete evidence of a production date, via "Spec. Ord." number with ancillary evidence, then we should purposely nail it to the ground and reset our parameters/data-base of our S&W knowledge. FWIW, I HATE reinventing the wheel every time someone new learns to drive for the first time. NO directed barb, it is a universal complaint. We can do better.

I still support an extended database of what we have found, NOT what we have concluded. Let the evidence lead us to a greater truth. But if we do not record it, then we are still left with endless disagreements, and that makes no one happy.
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I just picked up a NIB 325PD and was wondering when it may have been shipped? The serial number is CHK8799.

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April - May of 2004.
If you had the original box and label I could fine tune that to the exact day.
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I have a Smith and Wesson 342pd , titanium, number CEU0805 just trying to find out manufacture date
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... a Model 29-3 44 mag. The number is AVD 9337....
Revolvers with that s/n prefix were shipping in....
December 1986 to January 1987.
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I have a 686 that I traded for back in the 1980s. would like some help to better i.d this gun. It is stainless, wood org. grips, a2.5" 357 mag. i have located the following numbers.

ALV9380 , then a stand alone M , them , mod.686

then lower down B4 , a stand alone S below that, and below that X5627 I would like to know the year made and any other info. any of you can give. Thanks for the help. Tommy
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.... . wood org. grips, a2.5" 357 mag. i have located the following numbers.

ALV9380 , then a stand alone M , them , mod.686.....
Your round butt L-frame Distinguish Combat Magnum Stainless would of left Springfield, Mass, in a .....

June - October of 1985 time frame.

The 2.5-inch barrel makes it particularly desirable. The unique product code is 104212. The original finger groove wood grips are called Combat Stocks and will sell individually for $150 to $300 a set.

The M indicates that at sometime it was returned to the Mothership for a voluntary recall that replaced the firing pin and the frame bushing ahead of it. The silver colored hammer and trigger aren't stainless steel. They're carbon steel with a flash chrome coating.

The markings on the yoke (that thing that swings out and the the cylinder attaches to) can be ignored. They were important during the assembly process. One number is called the assembly number.

You'll find it on the yoke, the frame beneath the stocks, and on the back side of the sideplate. Those three parts are "married together" early in the manufacturing process due to the close tolerances. The assembly number prevents them from becoming separated.

Lastly, it's very likely the gun was originally sold by the S&W distributor Lew Horton. LH ordered 6,000 of these back in the day. Contact LH and they will send you for free a really cool display quality provenance letter with a lot of details about the gun.
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Picked up a very clean 10-6 today serial # D46998 guessing early 70’s ?? Wondering year of manufactur. Thanks
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If the serial# is D46998 (5 digits), the serial# dates to about 1968. If the serial# has 6 digits and begins with 46 it dates to about 1972.
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If the serial# is D46998 (5 digits), the serial# dates to about 1968. If the serial# has 6 digits and begins with 46 it dates to about 1972.
Thanks !! That is the complete 5 digit serial #
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How about a model 25, # AWB94XX
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How about a model 25, # AWB94XX....
It would of shipped in.....

May - July of 1987.
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Just took an ownership of 6 686 no dash. Its my first revolver ever. Please advise on date manufactured, pics attached.
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I have been busy the last month or so. I picked up the three guns below. Could you please give me the manufacturers date on them.

A271386 (Model 39-2)
BPZ1196 (Model 686-4)
A457889 (Model 59)

By the way, this post is fantastic and I appreciate all the information you put out there for us.


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...... BPZ1196 (Model 686-4) ......
Your Distinguish Combat Magnum would of shipped in.....

November - December of 1993.

Sorry. Can't help with the crunch-n-clickers, I only collect s/n's of revolvers.
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No problem KC. I appreciate your help with my 686. I have never heard of the auto's being called "crunch-n-clickers". That made me laugh.

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Hello there!
I recently got my hands on a beatiful 686-5 Target Champion DL
I would be very thankful if any of you could help me identify the manufacture date.

The serial is CDE07XX
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... a beatiful 686-5 Target Champion DL.... The serial is CDE07XX
February - March 1999.
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Picked up a new to me Model 19-5 2.5 inch. It's just like the issue gun that DS issued me while I was going thru SA training. Then after graduation, in a couple months they issued us Glock Model 19.
I'm retired now and I finally found a nice Smith to round out my various issue guns.

Serial number help please: 99K99xx.

Looks on line like somewhere around 81 or 82?

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Welcome back to the Forum Huskerguy,
The serial# dates to about 1981.
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Id appreciate any info on 686 no dash serial AFR0280 .

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January of 1985.
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Can you date a 586 serial nbr AUH 9600 please ?

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June - July 1986.
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Looking for date on 629-1 8 3/8 inch.
Serial - AZC1xxx

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Serial - AZC1xxx....
Your S&W Magnum would of left the factory in.....

June - August of 1988.

Product code was 103609, unless it has the scalloped cuts on the barrel for scope rings then it would be 103615.
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