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Old 01-15-2012, 11:42 PM
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I will be in the market shortly for one of these. I know the obvious differences like 6 vs. 5 shot, .410/45lc/.45acp vs. .410/45lc, and the price diff $100-$200.

I would like others opinions and some other differences I may not know about. Thanks
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My thoughts are to never buy a gun without considering resale value if I don't like it. I think extra paid for the S&W will put you far ahead in the long run.
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I'll be honest in that the #1 difference that I took into consideration when I bought my Governor was the fact that the Governor is a S&W product as opposed to the Judge being a Taurus product. I have never been impressed with the overall quality, action smoothness, or cosmetic fit and finish of Taurus products. I also liked the tritium front sight, the fixed rear notch, the ability to fire .45 ACP in moon clips, the lightweight Scandium frame, and the 6 shot capacity of the S&W.
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"the Governor is a S&W product as opposed to the Judge being a Taurus product"

Yep, that about sums it up.
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Judge = Taurus = junk.

Governor = S&W = quality.
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I had a stainless steel Judge chambered for the 3" shells and now have a Governor. While the Judge is slimmer it was quite a bit heavier than the Governor.

Overall the Governor is a much better revolver........
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Owning both I am of the opinion the Governor is a much better revolver. The quality difference between the two is like night and day, go with the Smith.
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Governor is impossible to find in my local area while the Taurus is everywhere. I will wait for the S&W offering.
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I now currently own, carry, and shoot my very own Governator.


Governor and Associates. Range and pictures 12-31-11

I have never even considered owning a Judge, having sold many
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A knowledgeable gunsmith and salesman at the Miami show this
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For its intended purpose buy the Gov. and cry only once.

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I have shot both the Governor and the Judge within the last year. I have to say I am not impressed with either one! They are big, bulky, heavy, and hard to conceal. I truly don't understand why so many people buy them. If a shotgun is what they want, then they should get a shotgun which is much more potent, easier to shoot accurately, and probably less expensive. If you want a compact carry gun, there are many many revolvers and pistols better suited to CCW. IMHO the guns in question here try to be a "jack of all trades" and I don't think they accomplish anything really well.

Some of the adds I have seen for the Judge were with attractive slim woman carrying them - yea right! I would like to see how a 120 pound female can carry one of these suckers on her person all day long. I am not in favor of a woman (or anybody for that matter) carrying a firearm in a purse, pocket book, attache case, etc. Too easily misplaced, forgotten, stolen, left in a car or office, etc.

IMHO both of these revolvers are just kind of a marketing ploy to sell more guns. My feeling is that in a few years both the Judge and Governor will be ancient history. It will be interesting to see.

That is my personal opinion, but just the fact that S&W copied the Taurus Judge makes me believe many others disagree with me, which is what freedom is all about.

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Between the two, I'd buy the S&W Governor. For limited use, I think the Taurus Judge would be fine. But I think the materials and care used in producing the Governor would result in the S&W revolver being much more durable and reliable. Additionally it is more versatile in the ammunition that can be used in it. I am not likely to ever buy either one, but that does not matter. There are many people who have and will buy these revolvers. What I might think is irrelevant. What matters is what they think. Cool.
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I never understand why everytime someone wants to discuss the Governor (or the Judge for that matter) the naysayers always pop up badmouthing it. If someone is purporting it as the "ultimate combat weapon" sure, we might want to call B.S. But it is what it is...a cool gun that can shoot lots of different rounds including shotgun shells. I didn't buy mine to carry every day for personal protection. But if I did, I wouldn't feel the least bit handicapped as long as I selected my ammo carefully. I also have an American Derringer Model 1 in .45 Colt/.410. And it is cool too. Is it the "ultimate hide-out backup gun?" Well no...but it is a lot of fun at the range to show someone who thinks they've seen and shot everything. We buy a lot of guns because they are cool and fun and most importantly...because we can. If we only bought guns that were practical, we would really be missing out on a lot of enjoyment. If people think the Governor/Judge concept is bad...I'd hate to hear what they would say about the Serbu Super Shorty! Come-on...live a little!
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Lemme see, you come to a S&W forum to ask about a specific S&W vs Taurus gun. What'd you expect? Go over to the Taurus forum and ask the same question. Bet you get a different response.
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The beauty of this forum is that expert advice can be garnered from knowledgeable and experienced S&W enthusiasts. If the Gov is recommended by someone of Allen-Frame's expertise, then it's good enough for me, no questions asked.
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I have shot both the Governor and the Judge within the last year. I have to say I am not impressed with either one! They are big, bulky, heavy, and hard to conceal. I truly don't understand why so many people buy them. If a shotgun is what they want, then they should get a shotgun which is much more potent, easier to shoot accurately, and probably less expensive. If you want a compact carry gun, there are many many revolvers and pistols better suited to CCW. IMHO the guns in question here try to be a "jack of all trades" and I don't think they accomplish anything really well.

Some of the adds I have seen for the Judge were with attractive slim woman carrying them - yea right! I would like to see how a 120 pound female can carry one of these suckers on her person all day long. I am not in favor of a woman (or anybody for that matter) carrying a firearm in a purse, pocket book, attache case, etc. Too easily misplaced, forgotten, stolen, left in a car or office, etc.

IMHO both of these revolvers are just kind of a marketing ploy to sell more guns. My feeling is that in a few years both the Judge and Governor will be ancient history. It will be interesting to see.

That is my personal opinion, but just the fact that S&W copied the Taurus Judge makes me believe many others disagree with me, which is what freedom is all about.

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Everything you say is true. Yet everyone who owns one of these revolvers loves them and it has been one of the hottest selling guns in the world. I don't understand it but I'm starting to want one. Somebody SLAP ME!
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I don't think they accomplish anything really well.
They are both cool, at the very least they accomplish that well. I would also argue that either a judge or governer loaded with 45LC hollow points (or .45 ACP) would be near as good as it gets in terms of a home defense handgun.

I would love to own one, I just have other things, including other firearms I am currently more interested in trading greenbacks for. If I thought they were going away that might change.
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My Governor wins by a landslide..goes "Bang" everytime..shoots accurate..easy to conceal with an IWB..No Negative issues at all!. Love it!.
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One comment about the Governor that's neither here nor there.
A couple of weeks ago my wife shot the Governor for the first time and when I handed it to her she held it up in her hand and looked at it closely before saying, "This gun looks scary."

She shot it, she liked it and found out that it wasn't as scary as she thought it was......
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Thanks for the input. While I do sence a few bais opinions, its to be expected. Whice ever one my wife chooses she wants it won't be for everyday carry, its more for fun.

One other question the judge comes in many models like, barrel lengths, and frame materials. Does the governor come in different barrels, and frames.

Thanks for the info.
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I think the Governor is 6 rounds ? the Judge 5 rounds ?
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Right now the Governor only comes in one configuration, but it can be had from the factory both with and without Crimson Trace lasergrips. If sales were good this first year, perhaps we will see some more varieties in the future...Shot Show did start today you know...but I think the current configuration is about as good as it gets for the best all around use of this platform.
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I will be in the market shortly for one of these. I know the obvious differences like 6 vs. 5 shot, .410/45lc/.45acp vs. .410/45lc, and the price diff $100-$200.

I would like others opinions and some other differences I may not know about. Thanks
  • Judge = revolver for the video game crowd, no customer service, big, heavy, piece of junk
  • Governor = revolver for the video game crowd, excellent customer service, giant piece of expensive junk

After you buy one, please post pictures of your manly-looking carry rig, (complete with serrated folding knife), so I can giggle.
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After you buy one, please post pictures of your manly-looking carry rig, (complete with serrated folding knife), so I can giggle.
WOW! If I were as manly as you maybe, just maybe I could tote around a governor in a "manly looking" carry rig. I guess you could keep your fingers crossed, or hold your breath for that matter.
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J, I see you're new here so I would like to say don't let the naysayer(s) get under your skin.

The negative posts, simply for the sake a being negative, are few & far between on this site.
Usually if one receives criticism here, it's of the constructive type so usually has some reedeeming qualities.

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I have shot both the Governor and the Judge within the last year. I have to say I am not impressed with either one! They are big, bulky, heavy, and hard to conceal. I truly don't understand why so many people buy them. If a shotgun is what they want, then they should get a shotgun which is much more potent, easier to shoot accurately, and probably less expensive. If you want a compact carry gun, there are many many revolvers and pistols better suited to CCW. IMHO the guns in question here try to be a "jack of all trades" and I don't think they accomplish anything really well.

Some of the adds I have seen for the Judge were with attractive slim woman carrying them - yea right! I would like to see how a 120 pound female can carry one of these suckers on her person all day long. I am not in favor of a woman (or anybody for that matter) carrying a firearm in a purse, pocket book, attache case, etc. Too easily misplaced, forgotten, stolen, left in a car or office, etc.

IMHO both of these revolvers are just kind of a marketing ploy to sell more guns. My feeling is that in a few years both the Judge and Governor will be ancient history. It will be interesting to see.

That is my personal opinion, but just the fact that S&W copied the Taurus Judge makes me believe many others disagree with me, which is what freedom is all about.

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I concur completely!!!!!!!.........What good are they?
For me, they serve in a "critter control" role. I'm out & about on our property off & on throughout
the night and once in awhile come across critters in places they shouldn't be, doing things they shouldn't be doing.
Like the 'Possum shown below.



I sold my Judge because it wasn't as effective in that role as I'd hoped it would be, so, thinking that
it may have been an I.O. problem (Idiot Operator) i.e. me, I'm giving it another shot with the Governor.

This way I don't have to be toteing a shotgun around all the time, although as of late I've been
using a Revolver chambered for the .327 Fed Mag loaded with .32 S&W Longs (three .32 Longs & three .327's) in that role.

With the Governor I usually have the first two out .410 000 Buck with the remaining four rounds
Speer .45 Colt (250 gr HP's) just in case I come across something bigger.

Based on my experience with the Judge I can't bring myself to rely on a .410 load for self defense.
At least with the Governor if the 4 Speer HP's don't do the trick on "something bigger" I can quickly
drop in one of the two Moon Clips of .45 acp that I always have with me and get back in the fight quickly.

Just for "giggles", here's the Governor with it's night shift co-workers.
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J, I see you're new here so I would like to say don't let the naysayer(s) get under your skin.

The negative posts, simply for the sake a being negative, are few & far between on this site.
Usually if one receives criticism here, it's of the constructive type so usually has some reedeeming qualities.

That's why this is such a great place to hang out & learn!

Thanks. I don't let it get to me. Sometimes people should read the entire thread before posting.

So for those I will say it again. I am at one or the other for a fun to shoot weapon. I already have ccw's and a 12ga. for the house. So in conclusion I don't need a "manly looking" carry rig.
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I don't do Taurus, just my problem I guess. But I do own a Governor ! I would post a picture with my knife, but don't have any pics available.

What is it with bitter people just having to pee all over somebody's question !

What about a Governor for the hell of it, why not just a little fun. I don't need most of the guns I have, but I have them anyhow.

It's a fun gun, works well, accurate. I believe it would be a good self defense weapon in the home, across the room, with the Federal Premium handgun .410, with the 000 buck. You could always add 2 rounds of some hot .45 acp in 2 holes. Dot night sight, K/L frame grip, can get with CT grips or add them. Also shoots 45acp and colt.

Oh the hell with it just buy another K frame and add it the others, forget something fun and a little different !!!
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Was in a pawnshop today in a small Miss. town and mentioned I had been looking for the Governor(not Haley Barbour) and he pulled out one from under the counter. I know some big time smith dealers and they have none. It always pays to ask. I did bring it home and look forward to comparing to my Taurus with different loads and rounds. I must say it appears better built than the Taurus, but after all, I am a smith collector!
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  • Governor = revolver for the video game crowd, excellent customer service, giant piece of expensive junk

After you buy one, please post pictures of your manly-looking carry rig, (complete with serrated folding knife), so I can giggle.
Giggle all you like. I am unconcerned.


Manly carry rig.









Quick handling and accurate. Now I'm giggling.









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CCW you want a gun that you can get too without the bad guy seeing it ? you want the most bullets in the most concealed package ? You want 25 yd. accuracy, You want a pistol chambered in something that will stop an assailant you want a model 27 smith that will fit in your waistband not going to happen. For me Glock 36 with a spare mag fills the bill to each their own. that is my two cents.
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Just good clean fun.

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Just good clean fun.

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And I'm guessing a lot more fun than video games!

I wouldn't know, the last time I played a video game was when my kids
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Grip at your nipple, barrel on your knee cap - perfect Concealed Carry weapon.

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Grip at your nipple, barrel on your knee cap - perfect Concealed Carry weapon.

A definite giggle
All other issues aside..........

So people can make up their own minds on if the Governor deserves "hogleg" (nipple to kneecap)
size status or not, I went and took this shot of "The Governor & Friends."

I do understand that some are more intimidated by full size guns than others, for any number of reasons.
This type of gun person, those who are easily intimidated, are usually easy to spot around anything bigger
than a J Frame because they're the ones doing a lot of gigglin'.... for no apparent reason

That's nothin' more than an uncontrollable nervous reaction to seeing
all that gun in one place, at one time, so it's really not their fault.



Edited to add: I was just searching the web and found a remedy for the "big gun giggles."
You are supposed to take a Baby Browning or NAA Mini Revolver and hold it front of the giggler's face.
If you don't have either one of those guns available a Ruger LCP, Kel-Tec P32 or P3AT will also work.

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Because someone mentioned how heavy the
Governor was it got me to wondering about
this so I went and did some checking.

I used digital postal scales that were zeroed in
before each weight was taken so I'm probably
pretty close to the actual weights.

The 3" 686+ loaded with 7 rounds of Buffalo Bore
.38 SPL +P, 158 gr lead semi-wadcutter hp's weighed,
2 lb. 7.7 oz.

The 2.5" Model 66-2 with 6 rd's of the same Buffalo Bore
ammo listed above weighed,
2 lb. 3.4 oz. (same as the Gov w/250 gr. Speer Gold Dots)

The Governor weights are below:

6 rounds Speer Gold Dot .45 Colt, 250 gr. hp
2 lb. 3.4 oz.

6 rounds Federal LE Classic "Hi-Shok" .45 acp, 185 gr. hp
2 lb. 2.2 oz. (with Moon Clip)

6 rounds Federal Handgun .410 (2.5") 000 buck
2 lb. 3.1 oz.

All 3 guns had Crimson Trace LG-306 Grips
(as shown in the photo in my last post)

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My Gov is the perfect woods bopper and Beagle running gun. You can load for any situation or all situations at once. In terms of reloading capability, 6 buck loads equal 24 good size pellets. Even a wonder 9 doesn't hold that many. As far as 25 yard accuracy, any critter big enough to threaten one of my dogs is plenty big enough for me to hit with either acp or Colt at that range. I think it's funny that people fret and fuss about which mountain gun to buy when those of us with Governors have three in one.
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if one crossed my path at a decent price,i would snag it up just like any other smith.
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I do understand that some are more intimidated by full size guns than others, for any number of reasons.
This type of gun person, those who are easily intimidated, are usually easy to spot around anything bigger
than a J Frame because they're the ones doing a lot of gigglin'.... for no apparent reason

That's nothin' more than an uncontrollable nervous reaction to seeing
all that gun in one place, at one time, so it's really not their fault.



That's exactly what the problem is with the naysayers. That 5'4" ball of fire I call my wife seems to not be intimidated by the size of a firearm. I think someone needs to check their "manhood". I'm just saying!


BTW Nice pics Allen thanks!
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if one crossed my path at a decent price,i would snag it up just like any other smith.
Ditto for me. Otherwise it might belong in the "guns I paid too much for" thread.
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Grip at your nipple, barrel on your knee cap - perfect Concealed Carry weapon.

A definite giggle


DLA ,, stop poking fun at my Governor or I'll throw my dentures at you!


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FWIW: I chose neither Governor nor Taurus. I live in heavy copperhead and cottonmouth country. I chose the Bond Arms Snake Slayer 2 barrel 410/45 derringer. It is easier for me to carry all day especially operating equipment or in the boat. It is a little on the heavy side as it was made from a solid block of SS, but it is tough. Usually used at 3 yards or less, has accumulated a reasonable collection of undesireable critters. My normal carry gun is a 342PD which I consider one of the greatest CCW guns ever made. It just won't shoot 410.
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in a lapse or reason i bought a Public Defender when they first came out. i sold it within a month...enough said
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At the GS where I work, we've sold HUNDREDS of Judges, and at least a dozen S&W Governors since they came out.
It's a 'niche' piece. In comparison, the S&W is much more refined, smoother and seems of much better quality.

You know what's a hoot? How long has the Taurus Judge been out and on the market - what, 4-5 years or so?

Hardly a day goes by that some character will not come in with a look of wonderment on their face and inquire : "Do ya'll have any o' them piztuls what shoots a real shotgun shay-ul?"
Then of course is followed by their confusion of .45 cartridges, .45 ACP vs. .45 Colt and just what the gun is/is not capable of.

Even more fun is listening to the patter of people looking at the Judge and hearing when someone mentions the use of a .410 slug in it as if it's the equivalent of a .50 Sharps or something.
If you have the ability to use .45 Colt ammo, why would you want to use an undersized .410 slug that weighs 92 grains and produces energy on par with a .38 spl., minus the accuracy?
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Old Corp, if you happen to see this could you maybe speculate on something for me?
Since it sounds as if you work at a gun shop you would be the one to ask.

If you had the Governor's in stock all of the time, how much of a chunk do you think
it would take away from the Judge' foothold in that market niche?
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S&W, because you may want to sell it some day.
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o-spl. -
Usually we have both and they appeal to two different markets due to the price difference.
In my area, a whole lot of Judges get tossed under tractor seats, are truck guns, or there is some popularity with the beagle-running rabbit hunters using the 6" model.
Alot of Judge puchasers will spend the going price on them just to see what all the hoopla is about, but would not spend that much on a S&W.

It seems the 'niche' market I mentioned is one that addresses a certain utilitarian role for the gun and the pricepoint of the Taurus answers that well.
The S&W does not seem to 'cut into' that market at all, because that buyer is looking for more outright quality.
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Thanks Old Corp, thats what I was thinking but for me I had nothing, experience-wise, to base it on really.
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I'll have to be the desenter on both of them. I live in the woods next to a wildlife management area.I've killed a number of rattlers and copperheads (big) with plain old Speer 38 shot loads,from short barrel 38 and 357 revolvers.
Oh,they'll sqirm awhile 'cause they don't know they're dead. The snubs are better with the shot loads as there's not as much rifling to put so much spin on the shot,so it gives a tighter pattern.
My feeling is if you want a 410,get a 410.If you want a 45 Colt,get one of those. I personally find these abortions useless,but I know others will disagree.To each his own.
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