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Old 01-18-2012, 01:19 PM
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Went to the range saturday with my buddy who brought several revolvers. I brought my Sig P250 that I'm still getting used to.

I realized that I'm much more accurate shooting revolvers than I am semi-autos. I would pick up a revolver I haven't fired before and get some really nice groups. My P250, I enjoy, but I have to get used to the trigger.

I'm just curious, but do y'all feel like you have better accuracy with revolvers or semi-autos. I was taking my time, making sure I was aiming properly. Just seemed like it was much easier to shoot a "new" revolver than a "new" semi-auto.

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For me it depends solely on the gun... in large part the ergonomics (I think that is the correct term). Years ago I picked up a WWII vintage 32 Mauser that was like pointing a finger. It shot exactly where I looked. I have a Colt Woodsman that is the same way... it is instinctive. My 1911 Colt took lots of practice and still takes some concentration. Some revolvers are the same way. My 66 and 686 2.5" guns just won't miss while some other revolvers seem to have a steeper learning curve. In addition to the shape of the gun/grip/barrel I find certain sights easier and certain triggers more natural. My Sigs (239, 226, & 220) are kind of midway on the learning curve.
So, I don't think there is any right answer to your question. Go for the gun that feels natural to you and just wants to put 'em in the X ring to please you.
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Old 01-18-2012, 01:35 PM
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Are you shooting the revolver single or double action? There is a big difference between the inherent accuracy of handguns and their 'shootability.' Much of this relates to trigger pull.

Most autos are hampered by their trigger pulls. I find it much easier to hit a small target at a distance with a revolver shooting it single action. I can shoot my 1911s almost as well because they are one of the few autos capable of having a finely tuned trigger (but not as good as a Smith and Wesson revolver).

I shoot revolvers double action about as well as I shoot most non-1911 autos. I hunt and hike with a revolver because I may get a medium to long shot at game and really like that crisp single-action trigger pull a Smith and Wesson revolver gives me. My Smith and Wesson 41 is my most accurate and most 'shootable' handgun I own, but it is a very 'target' orientated gun.

Almost all formal bullseye target shooting is done with autos, if that tells you anything. These particular guns, though, are often expensive and have very finely tuned triggers.
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A revolver is generally easier to learn to shoot well. There are some autos out there that are difficult because of their trigger system. The double action autos are in that class. Personally I believe the 1911 autos can be made more accurate than revolvers. It just costs more money to achieve this. Also, the single action rimfire target autos can be made more accurate than revolvers of the same caliber.
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For me, IMHO, etc, : I would say it depends on: Practice with THAT gun, sight radius, sights (AS or fixed), weight of the gun (esp. for extended shooting times), and trigger - in no particular order.
* Single action revolver, for me, is more accurate than SA Semi-auto. Forget those long DAO semi's - I can't shoot them any better than a revo in DA. That's the crisp S&W SA trigger IMHO.
* heavier gun = wobbly hand after an hour or two.
* longer sight radius = better accuracy for me.
* lightpost size Adj sights are more accurate for me vs. tiny dots or fixed revo sights. But hey, I'm old and my vision ain't so good...

All that being said; I have a gun with crummy fixed sights, short barrel, etc that I can hit 100% with at 7 yds because I've shot it so much for 15 years. So a couple thousand rounds through the gun probably offsets the inherent issues with the gun itself.

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I have to agree with the above posts. Semi-autos are inherently more accurate than revolvers because there can be minor variations in each chamber of a revolver. A revolver is generally easier to shoot well because of the superior single action trigger, a 1911 is about the only semi-auto that can compare.

I have found that once I could shoot my revolvers well in DA I can pick up most any gun and shoot pretty well.
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I originally had the same question as "Research Nerd." At the time I'd never owned a revolver. Then I made the "mistake" of buying a S&W 686SSR. We decided to take it to an indoor range along with a few semi-autos. Despite our bias to the theoretical accuracy of not having cylinder alignment differences with semi-autos, my wife and I proceeded to cut the center out of any target we attempted with that particular revolver. We both shot far better with the 686 than any pistol we tried, including a Ruger Mark II target!!!

The long and short of it is that I've adopted 686SSR as my log-in name and nearly all of my semi-autos have been traded or sold. This included an HK P7, a Sig 228, a 80 Series Colt Gold Cup, and a Kimber CDP II Pro. All were in pristine condition as they were purchased new and meticiously maintained. (The only semi-auto we've kept is a Kahr K9. It's really accurate and has never had a FTF or FTB. A wonderful pistol.)

The improved accuracy of the 686SSR, a 60 Pro and a Colt Diamondback 38 more than compensate for the exchanges. I cannot completely explain the improved results, but I suspect the revolvers' crisper triggers contributed to our greater accuracy with all of them. The 60 Pro has been the greatest surprise. We did not expect a 3-inch J-frame to be particularly accurate. We were wrong. Despite the stiff coil spring, it too is a great shooter.

Research Nerd - good luck with your decision. It's a tough one.
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Well I have both and it's really depends on the gun as I can shoot some of each type (revolver or semi auto) and get excellent results and others of each type not so much.

I will say the single action trigger on my 1911's a Sig P220 SAO carry are better then any other handgun trigger I own and that those triggers really help my shooting.

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I don't have any bottom feeders, but the accuracy tests in the "American Rifleman" done on a Ransom Rest seem to show better accuracy for revolvers than semi's. These tests are usually preformed on factory guns. It may be a different story for guns that have gotten the "money is no object" gunsmith treatment.
I think this is especially true for "pocket carry guns". Some of the tests on small semi auto's showed results so poor that the editors had to change their testing protocol, and run them at 7 yards instead of the usual 25 yard handgun range.

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I'm no expert, just a shooter. I have only been shooting for 35 years so I'm still sorta new at it. I have yet to find any semi automatic in the same price range as my used K38 masterpiece than can come close to to shooting as well. Yes there are a few super tuned race guns, custom built jobs that can keep up with my lowly stock out of the box S&W, but then they cost six to ten times as much. How much is a good shooter grade Model 14 these days? $4-500 ???, I dare you to find a $4-500 semi automatic that can keep up with a Model 14. Or how well could a revolver shoot if I were to drop 2-3k in custom gunsmithing for a pure purpose built hole puncher. The only out of the box semi I have shot that equals or possibly surpasses my M14 is a model 52, they are only double to triple the cost of a revolver.

I believe I have better accuracy with a firearm that has a barrel and sights fixed to the frame rather than a floating barrels and moving sights that may change position buy a half a thousandth between shots.
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It's pretty much universally accepted that stock revolvers are more inherently accurate than stock autoloaders.........but the truth is, most shooters aren't good enough to even see a difference. Like was said above, I'm sure there are many tricked out $3,000 1911 race guns that will shoot rings around my super accurate prized 67-1 with a master action job that is scary accurate to me........but that 67-1 makes a stock Glock look like the barrel is worn out

A Glock 17 will put a 9mm center mass on a man-sized target as well as a S&W 15 can put a .38 slug at the 7-15 yard range most gunfights happen, so in the "real world" comparing a quality auto vs. a quality revolver is largely irrelevant.

The larger magazine capacity and faster reloading that are an advantage to military and LE personnel are worth the .5" groups size loss at 25 yards.

It's like comparing bolt rifles with semi-autos.

For example, military weapons such as M4 Carbines can shoot within a certain group size and still be deemed "serviceable" but these groups would disgust a bench rest shooter with a bolt action match grade rifle.
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I'm not as well-versed in a variety of guns like many members here, but I've shot SA 1911s, a DA/SA Beretta 92FS (and the similar Taurus PT92), DA/SA Sigs (a P220 and a P228), a Glock 23 and a Glock 22, and S&W DA revolvers. Out of all those action types, I shot the DA revolver consistently better. I say consistently because I've shot a couple of great groups with the Beretta (including a 4-leaf clover at 25 yards and 4 rounds into the same hole at 5 yards rapid fire) that surpassed my best groups with revolvers, but they tended to be flukes.

When I worked as an armed guard I qualified on .38/357, 9mm, and .45ACP using my issued (and factory stock) S&W Model 10, a Beretta 92FS, and an accurized 1911, respectively. My highest scores were always with the DA revolver and it didn't matter if I shot it first or last. However, I never shot poorly with the semi-autos. IIRC I averaged about 90% with the semi-autos and about 95-96% with the DA revolvers. (I should probably note that at the time I was averaging about 1k rounds/month at the range and at least 3-4 hours of dry fire practice a week, far more than I can manage now.)

I never really understood why I shot the revolver better, even when I practiced 4 or 5 times as much with the semi-autos. My own theory is that the grip angle combined with the rolling trigger feel made it easier for me to get more of a surprise break than the other guns.
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I have a lot of hand guns, don't exactly know how many at this moment, but the two guns I shoot the best and are most accurate for me are:

#1) Colt Gold Cup National Match Series 70 45 acp - A TRUE TACK DRIVER

#2) S&W Combat Masterpiece (pre M15) - ONE HOLE GROUPS AT 50 ft

There are guns in my collection that are suppose to be more accurate than the Combat Masterpiece like the M14, M19, M27. M586,etc. but for some reason I just shoot the 4" S&W better than I do the rest. Don't really know why, but it is what it is. I shoot the two guns listed above even better than my .22 - M41 Target Gun or the .22 High Standard for that matter as well.

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I am not a "serious" shooter, but have noticed with various
smaller, pocket-style guns, that some will immediately point where
I'm looking, while others are off in one direction or another. That
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In a revolver, nothing moves. What is stays that way.

Add to this the more powerful cartridges they will use and if your revolver is within spec for bore, cylinder, forcing cone and muzzle, and your bullets are properly sized - you're good to go.

The sights are typically better too. Made for hunting, whereas a semi isn't.

I'll hit game @ 100 yards all day long and bring it down with good shot placement using a revolver, but most - not all - semi autos won't.

YMMV.

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Like some others,I think it depends largely on the particular gun. All guns are inherantly accurate,but the gun itself may be a little more accurate than another identical one.

Feel is subjective,but how that gun "feels' to a particular shooter can also make a difference.Then there is the shooter's particular skill which is the biggest determining factor,actually.That skill is only aquired through continuous training and practice in most cases. I say most,because I do believe that there are some who just have a natural ability with firearms. I've seen it too often to question it.
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I have shot a lot of different guns over the years from .22 auto target, 12 gauge slugs for deer, lots of different rifles including .50 cal machine guns... (155mm & 8" howitzers not included). As some have already posted.. for me it all depends on the gun and, usually comes down to "trigger pull and sights". I also agree with someone who said earlier in this post that there is a huge difference between double action vs single action shots for both revolvers and semi autos. When shooting most anything in single action my groupings will tighten up considerably. I took that "Baby Chief Spl" I just acquired last week and my S&W 500 to the range last night. At 25' I was just making the 1st hole bigger. When I switched and shot using double action my "groups" went to 6"plus. I have a Ruger SR9C that just happens to have a great "stock" trigger and I can shoot better groups than when using my S&W MP .45 auto. In fact I plan to do an Apex trigger job on my S&W 45. It's a great shooting gun but I like really smooth, light triggers. "Trigger and Sights" ...the rest is all me and how consistent I am or am not. Any way.. JMHO oh and a pic from lasts nights outing.."The long and Short of It"
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For me the revolver is easier to shoot than a semi auto if they both are "new to me" guns.

Lots of good info here once again.

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Went to the range saturday with my buddy who brought several revolvers. I brought my Sig P250 that I'm still getting used to.

I realized that I'm much more accurate shooting revolvers than I am semi-autos. I would pick up a revolver I haven't fired before and get some really nice groups. My P250, I enjoy, but I have to get used to the trigger.

I'm just curious, but do y'all feel like you have better accuracy with revolvers or semi-autos. I was taking my time, making sure I was aiming properly. Just seemed like it was much easier to shoot a "new" revolver than a "new" semi-auto.

Curious to see what the group thinks,

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I also had a Sig P250. It was the first gun I purchased after receiving my concealed carry permit. The gun is DAO. The sales rep must have thought I would be safer with it. Never got used to the trigger and could not hit the "broad side of a barn". Traded it in on a S&W 686+. Have both revolvers and semi-automatics. For the automatics my Les Baer .45 ACP and S&W Model 41 are real tack drivers.
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Went to the range saturday with my buddy who brought several revolvers. I brought my Sig P250 that I'm still getting used to.

I realized that I'm much more accurate shooting revolvers than I am semi-autos. I would pick up a revolver I haven't fired before and get some really nice groups. My P250, I enjoy, but I have to get used to the trigger.

I'm just curious, but do y'all feel like you have better accuracy with revolvers or semi-autos. I was taking my time, making sure I was aiming properly. Just seemed like it was much easier to shoot a "new" revolver than a "new" semi-auto.

Curious to see what the group thinks,

Thanks for your time,:confused
I've been shooting revolvers and pistols for 30 years. In general I find that I can get better results on target with a revolver than I can with a pistol. Theoretically a pistol has a greater potential for accuracy. But in actual shooting, I get better results with revolvers.
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[QUOTE=ckprax;136297482]I have to agree with the above posts. Semi-autos are inherently more accurate than revolvers because there can be minor variations in each chamber of a revolver. A revolver is generally easier to shoot well because of the superior single action trigger, a 1911 is about the only semi-auto that can compare.

But an autoloader depends on repeatability of lock-up for accuracy. It's one of the factors that 1911 fans can spend a ton on to improve. An out of the box autoloader versus the same in a revolver? I'll take the wheelie any day. After each is crafted by a talented smith? Take your pick.

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It comes down to the weapon, there are some auto's that by design have loose tolerances and don't shoot as tight of groups. If you want an auto that is a tack driver try something like a Hi Power.
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Freedom arms makes the most accurate handguns. I had a 252 that I shot a witnessed 5 shot group at 100 yards of 1 inch with a Burris 3-12 pistol scope. The only more accurate handguns are single shot falling blocks or bolt actions.
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I have been shooting handguns for 40 some odd years. I have also been on the Board of our Sportsman's Club for the last 31 years. I am around lots of shooters.

With centerfire handguns a revolver with good cylinder alignment will normally out shoot any stock semi auto, with a couple exceptions. With that said you can do some work on select semi auto handguns like the 1911 Colt, and make them pretty accurate also. Then we have a couple centerfire factory target guns like the S&W 38 Wadcutter gun. Forgot the model number of it. Not a gunfight gun, but a tack driver never the less.

With rimfires this is not true. We have several semi auto rimfire handguns that are plenty accurate out of the box. Ruger MK I, II, III, Colt Woodsman, Buckmark, Hi Standard, S&W 41, etc.

Accuracy is subjective. For the job at hand, how accurate does a handgun need to be. When handgun hunting I want my 480 Ruger Super RedHawk to be very accurate. I am reasonably sure I can hit your hat off sandbags at 100 yards with it.
Now at ranges of 5 feet to 25 yards, Gun Fight distance. Our main concern is getting rounds on target. Most all fullsize modern semiauto handguns are plenty accurate enough to make good body hits on silhouette targets at 25 yards. Some more accurate than others.
If I were in a hostage situation where I had to make one good shot count with a handgun, I would much rather have a revolver to attempt to make that one well placed shot.

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I'm no expert, just a shooter. I have only been shooting for 35 years so I'm still sorta new at it. I have yet to find any semi automatic in the same price range as my used K38 masterpiece than can come close to to shooting as well. Yes there are a few super tuned race guns, custom built jobs that can keep up with my lowly stock out of the box S&W, but then they cost six to ten times as much. How much is a good shooter grade Model 14 these days? $4-500 ???, I dare you to find a $4-500 semi automatic that can keep up with a Model 14. Or how well could a revolver shoot if I were to drop 2-3k in custom gunsmithing for a pure purpose built hole puncher. The only out of the box semi I have shot that equals or possibly surpasses my M14 is a model 52, they are only double to triple the cost of a revolver.

I believe I have better accuracy with a firearm that has a barrel and sights fixed to the frame rather than a floating barrels and moving sights that may change position buy a half a thousandth between shots.
I agree. My 17-3 is a bit more accurate them my model 41, which is a true target pistol. Had my Colt Comander worked over with a 4.25 lb. trigger job, new barrel, Mepro sights and it shoots much better now but it can't keep up with the 17 or 41 using target grade LSWC's. Really shouldn't compare it as I didn't have it accuraized with a tight slide which could cause a jam.

I've shot a model 52 and was impressed with it's groups, when it wasn't jamming up. Too much money IMO when a 6" model 17 or model 14 will keep up or surpass most semi's out there for the money. JMO
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With rimfires this is not true. We have several semi auto rimfire handguns that are plenty accurate out of the box. Ruger MK I, II, III, Colt Woodsman, Buckmark, Hi Standard, S&W 41, etc.
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.22 rimfires are a whole different ball of wax. A K22 generally cost more than a Buckmark or Ruger Mk xxx. My guess is, and this is only a guess, I have no scientific proof, the .22 semi automatics are very accurate due to the fact the barrels and sights are anchored to the frame and do no move under recoil.
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Ive shot alot of revolvers and semi auto's and always on the average shoot the revolvers better than auto's. The nice thing about the revolvers is you can shoot any reasonable load in them, not true of all autos. The thing about auto's is you get more shots before reloading.
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I have to agree with the above posts. Semi-autos are inherently more accurate than revolvers because there can be minor variations in each chamber of a revolver. A revolver is generally easier to shoot well because of the superior single action trigger, a 1911 is about the only semi-auto that can compare.

I have found that once I could shoot my revolvers well in DA I can pick up most any gun and shoot pretty well.
Revolvers have consistant alignment of the barrel, Grip, and sights, that never moves or changes. Semi autos have a fixed barrel and chamber but most like a 1911 have a moving slide that has the sights and a moving barrel. Semi Autos have some paly in that system so they can function. That means unlike a revolver the barrel, sight and grip alignment changes with each shot, Unless the gun is a Fixed barrel blow back like a model 41. Unless there is something wrong with it an unSmithed revolver in the $500-700 price range, is going to out shoot a $500-700 factory stock semi auto.
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accuracy can be such a subjective subject. For some of you guys/gals anything outside the bulls-eye is probably irksome. For others, just keeping it on target is fine. Most of my guns have been far more accurate than I. I am not a "precision" shooter, but would be called more of a plinker.
I do know that when I picked up and shot my first full-sized S&W revolver (which was only last week with my K-frame), my accuracy was as good or better than with practically all of my semi autos after shooting with them for a period of time. However, my Colt Agent revolver, is no where near as accurate for me as my Bersa Thunder or even my Beretta Tomcat. And it won't compare at any range with my 1911s. But it looks like the Model 13 will definitely be able to stay up with them - perhaps surpass them.
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Truth is the majority of shooters won't notice a difference........for self defense or combat shooting it is largely irrelevant.

Even though handgun 25 yard Bullseye shooting is pretty much dead, toward the end tricked out 1911's took over, where guns like the S&W 14 and Colt Officer Target used to dominate.
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There are always exception to every rule and ZI owned (gave to my somn) a Ruger Mark II Target with bull barrel that would cut one hole in the paper all day long. Like I sadi eariler I shoor most revolvers better then most semi's but I have some of each where it is a toss up and yest my 1911's have been accurized but the main difference is the SA trigger that is smooth and breaks like glass.
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accuracy can be such a subjective subject.
+1 on that!

I am completely happy if I can keep the group tight at POA;
2" barrel at 7yds
2.5" - 3" at 10 yds, maybe 50'
4" at 50'+

If I can hit any kind of pattern on a paper plate at 75' I start doing that "UH HUH" gyrating thing like a football player who scored a touchdown (but I put the gun down first).

I do a lot better than that with my Mark II and III. But I'm no more accurate with my Beretta 92 at 75' than I am with my 686.
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FWIW, my skinny barrel model 10- just your joe average used cop beater- will shoot 5 inch groups at 50 YARDS. the only autos I have ever owned that could beat it were a smith 41 and my les baer premier II. based on what I paid for these you could buy 7 model 10's for the price of one les baer- so as far as I am concerned revolvers ARE more inherently accurate and at least for me easier to shoot well, although I can hold my own with an auto as well.
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Went to the range saturday with my buddy who brought several revolvers. I brought my Sig P250 that I'm still getting used to.

I realized that I'm much more accurate shooting revolvers than I am semi-autos. I would pick up a revolver I haven't fired before and get some really nice groups. My P250, I enjoy, but I have to get used to the trigger.

I'm just curious, but do y'all feel like you have better accuracy with revolvers or semi-autos. I was taking my time, making sure I was aiming properly. Just seemed like it was much easier to shoot a "new" revolver than a "new" semi-auto.

Curious to see what the group thinks,

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Well, I went to the range today with my first revolver, a S&W 643 (snub). I have a SIG P-250, just as you do. With the SIG, I can put round after round on a target with little effort. With the S&W, though.... not so good. I think I'll have to practice A LOT with the Smith to get used to it. I like it --convenient to carry, light, etc.-- but today at the range, it was frankly embarrassing. I'm a practiced shooter and pretty good normally, but this morning I couldn't hit the paper! Lot's of recoil from this light firearm and I haven't figured out where to hold exactly.
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Lots of practice. I generally shoot revolvers better. Btw, the guy you replied to hasn't been on the forum since 2013. This is an old thread. Don't feel bad tho, I've done the same thing!
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Makes no difference to me.
I will say that Webley's and Enfield's are more accurate single action.
A good pistol only requires practice.
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Wow this is an old thread but I see some stuff that makes me want to comment anyway. There was lots of discussion about shooting revolvers in single action mode. Uh - semi-autos sometimes have SA triggers too.

I've seen (and own) some very accurate revolvers. But the best shooters I've seen are semi-auto. I have a bone stock Sig P220 (one of the "Made In W. Germany" models) that will shoot very well. I even have a Taurus that shoots accurate. My buddy set up 3 empty 45 casings with 2 at 20 yards and one at 25 yards. I hit the 2 at 20 yards on the first try with that Taurus. I missed the one at 25 yards by about a quarter of an inch. It loses accuracy after about that distance but the Sig doesn't.

The type of gun and the condition of the gun matters more than the design. I don't buy autos that aren't SA or actually SA/DA. They are way more accurate.

BTW the most accurate handgun I ever shot was a Ruger MkII with a 10" barrel on it. It will shoot 1" groups at 50 yards all day.

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I have a lot of hand guns, don't exactly know how many at this moment, but the two guns I shoot the best and are most accurate for me are:

#1) Colt Gold Cup National Match Series 70 45 acp - A TRUE TACK DRIVER

#2) S&W Combat Masterpiece (pre M15) - ONE HOLE GROUPS AT 50 ft

There are guns in my collection that are suppose to be more accurate than the Combat Masterpiece like the M14, M19, M27. M586,etc. but for some reason I just shoot the 4" S&W better than I do the rest. Don't really know why, but it is what it is. I shoot the two guns listed above even better than my .22 - M41 Target Gun or the .22 High Standard for that matter as well.

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I prefer revolvers because there is less to think about under pressure. Accuracy is not a revolver/Semi auto issue IMHO.
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My 6" 357 Python could pinpoint anything on the berm with my 140gr jhp reloads.

My reworked norinco 1911 anyone can be accurate with it. I fitted the nm barrel bushing and surplus usgi barrel for 100% lockup in full battery. She shoots clusters and cloverleafs at 25yds.

My dad challenged me during a shoot. He said days before he was going to teach me how to shoot. I setup cans on the hill at 25yd berm. Using my Python I sent the can up the hill, as it was rolling down I sent it back up for five more shots. My dad said nothing. I never did anything like that before, but he razzed me.

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