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01-24-2012, 12:56 PM
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How are the Nightguard series?
I got a local shop that has a few for $660 + tax on closeout. I don't know what model, but the price was the same for the 45acp and 357 mag models.
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01-24-2012, 01:04 PM
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I wish I could have found my 325 NG for $660...
It has an issue with the cylinder stop and needs to go back for warranty work, but I do really like the gun. It is lightweight and easy to carry, and I prefer a night sight on my pistols. Personally, I leaned towards the 45 ACP because I expect the muzzle blast to be significant with a 357 magnum in the short barrel.
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A consideration, should you consider the 325NG - even at $660. If you can stand a different grip, a bit longer cylinder, and a whopping 1.8 oz more mass, consider the Governor! It will handle other calibers, too... .45 Schofield and Colt, 2.5" .410 shells, and the moonclipped .45 ACPs (... and .45 GAPs, too...). Mine, bought new last June for $579 + s/t, was over $300 less than the 325NG then. Still less, too.
Another consideration, re the 327NG, if that is the 8-shot .38/.357M that is also $660. Specifically, it isn't moonclip-ready. Pretty neat package, otherwise. The 5starfirearms.com 8 shot speedloaders work quite well with it, I am told. They work great with my 627 Pro and PC627 UDR's.
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01-24-2012, 07:56 PM
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I just recently broke down and got the the NG325. Have 100 rounds through it. Love it! The big front sight seems to jump out at my old eyes and I am now at the point where a rapid "semi sighted" shot will go COM every time. I know, I know, it is a little bulkier than my 8 shot "New Agent", but it has a very commanding view from the front end. I use Hornady 230 gr XTP in it, may try the Critical Defense in it soon.
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I'd be interested in a 315NG if they weren't stupidly priced.
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I have one, a 396 NG (.44 Special). I like it and I have some interest in a few others (329, 386, 327). The sights are great. I wish the barrels were just a bit longer, 3" or 3.25" would be great, the ballistics would be better, and it wouldn't make concealing them that much harder if at all. They sort of serve a special purpose, if that purpose suits you then there really aren't many other options.
Oh yeah, mine just got back from S&W for warranty work for light primer strikes (common with mine IIRC).
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I have one, a 396 NG (.44 Special). I like it and I have some interest in a few others (329, 386, 327). The sights are great. I wish the barrels were just a bit longer, 3" or 3.25" would be great, the ballistics would be better, and it wouldn't make concealing them that much harder if at all. They sort of serve a special purpose, if that purpose suits you then there really aren't many other options.
Oh yeah, mine just got back from S&W for warranty work for light primer strikes (common with mine IIRC).
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I'm curious about the work S&W performed on your NG with regard to light strikes. Does it have 100% ingition now? How heavy is the trigger pull? What did they do to remedy the defect?
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01-25-2012, 03:32 PM
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I'm curious about the work S&W performed on your NG with regard to light strikes. Does it have 100% ingition now? How heavy is the trigger pull? What did they do to remedy the defect?
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That is a good question, I don't know yet. Hopefully I'll have time to take it to the range on Friday and find out. I'll let you know if you'd like. I had three light strikes in 100 rounds (the first 100 rounds I put through it as a brand new gun). I sent it for service immediately. Now it will take at least 200 or more with no issues for me to have confidence in it. Are you asking how heavy is the trigger pull in general or whether it is different now that it has been serviced? The letter I got from S&W just said that the firing pin was replaced.
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I know exactly what you mean about confidence. When a new or used gun malfunctions it takes some time to build that confidence up. As for the trigger pull, if S&W did nothing that would change it I would expect the trigger pull would be the same as it was before you sent it back. The one non-22 I have with a frame mounted firing pin had a very heavy trigger pull. You can make a 20 pound hammer, and if the pin is defective you could still have light strikes. I have mentioned this in other posts here on this forum, but my 310 NG had a problem with light strikes, and it was much worse than yours, and the trigger pull weight was off the chart. You should not sprain your finger pulling a trigger (slight exaggeration). I too replaced the pin, but with a C&S piece with totally different geometry.
I am interested in your range report and I'm interested in what you think of the guns trigger weight. I have a feeling that there are a lot of these guns out there with 16 pound triggers that we are not hearing about.
Sorry about highjacking the thread. It was unintentional. I will pay closer attention next time.
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01-26-2012, 01:08 PM
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I know exactly what you mean about confidence. When a new or used gun malfunctions it takes some time to build that confidence up. As for the trigger pull, if S&W did nothing that would change it I would expect the trigger pull would be the same as it was before you sent it back. The one non-22 I have with a frame mounted firing pin had a very heavy trigger pull. You can make a 20 pound hammer, and if the pin is defective you could still have light strikes. I have mentioned this in other posts here on this forum, but my 310 NG had a problem with light strikes, and it was much worse than yours, and the trigger pull weight was off the chart. You should not sprain your finger pulling a trigger (slight exaggeration). I too replaced the pin, but with a C&S piece with totally different geometry.
I am interested in your range report and I'm interested in what you think of the guns trigger weight. I have a feeling that there are a lot of these guns out there with 16 pound triggers that we are not hearing about.
Sorry about highjacking the thread. It was unintentional. I will pay closer attention next time.
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I don't remember the trigger being heavy, but I didn't measure it. What do you mean that you think there are a lot of guns out there with heavy triggers? Do you mean that they are that way by design or by mistake (manufacturing defect)?
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01-27-2012, 05:38 PM
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I'm curious about the work S&W performed on your NG with regard to light strikes. Does it have 100% ingition now? How heavy is the trigger pull? What did they do to remedy the defect?
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I took the gun to the range today. 100 rounds through it and it ran perfectly.
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01-27-2012, 08:12 PM
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What I was getting at concerning the heavy triggers is, it seems, S&W had a problem with their frame mounted firing pin. I believe they installed a real heavy hammer spring on those to compensate for the light strikes. Now that is just a guess on my part, not knowing the thought process of the engineers at S&W when they tried to solve the problem. I'm sure some customers would just accept the heavy trigger and not complain. I do know C&S and Apex are selling a lot of redesigned firing pins for those guns because theirs work. With a longer pin (by .015") and a longer slot around the retaining pin the heavy trigger/hammer is unnecessary to insure 100% ignition. Some of the Night Guard series didn't last long in production, and the 310 in particular is a great gun with the proper parts installed.
It sounds like S&W got your NG working well. I think an N frame revolver that is as light as it is makes for a great gun. I really like mine now. If your trigger/hammer is really heavy I would suggest the Miculek spring kit. My 310 now has an 8 lb. DA and 3 lb. SA with 100% ignition. It's great!
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