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Old 03-05-2012, 12:29 PM
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Does anyone here have firsthand experience with Nill grips on their S&W revolvers?

Something like this: Karl Nill GmbH

I'm trying to understand why their products are so extraordinarily expensive. Those grips cost almost twice as much as any of the other wood grips I've seen.
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I have owned several sets for semi-auto pistols, and they were hands down the nicest wood grips I have ever seen or handled by far. With that said, I have no experience with their revolver stocks.
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I have a pair on my 629 DX. I don't know all the factors that go into the extra cost; I'll just offer my opinion:

-They're imported.
-They use state-of-the-art computerized tooling to cut the things; the fit has to be seen to be believed. No gaps or loose spaces anywhere -you couldn't fit a hair between frame and grip(well, that's exaggerating a bit, but not by much)


Other than that I don't know what to say. The finish, while well done, doesn't seem extraordinary; nor does the wood. In fact, the first pair they sent me I had to send back because it was the absolutely worst-looking piece of walnut I've ever seen! It looked like pallet material -I kid you not. The pair they sent to replace it was satisfactory. I wasn't able to get a smooth pair, though; I had to take what they call a "stippled" grip, which serves the same purpose as checkering but is uglier(I don't like checkering -stippling is worse).

You've probably gathered that I don't think I'll be getting another grip from them, but do as you like; many folks really like their Nills.

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Does anyone here have firsthand experience with Nill grips on their S&W revolvers?

Something like this: Karl Nill GmbH

I'm trying to understand why their products are so extraordinarily expensive. Those grips cost almost twice as much as any of the other wood grips I've seen.
They're most likely NC machined and the resulting fit is VERY tight. Their woods usually have a lot of color and some grain. I believe their checkering is done by hand AND you're dealing with the Euro which kicks the price up by about 35% over the dollar. I have six sets on S&W's and Rugers.

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I have a pair on my 629 DX. I don't know all the factors that go into the extra cost; I'll just offer my opinion:

-They're imported.
-They use state-of-the-art computerized tooling to cut the things; the fit has to be seen to be believed. No gaps or loose spaces anywhere -you couldn't fit a hair between frame and grip(well, that's exaggerating a bit, but not by much)


Other than that I don't know what to say. The finish, while well done, doesn't seem extraordinary; nor does the wood. In fact, the first pair they sent me I had to send back because it was the absolutely worst-looking piece of walnut I've ever seen! It looked like pallet material -I kid you not. The pair they sent to replace it was satisfactory. I wasn't able to get a smooth pair, though; I had to take what they call a "stippled" grip, which serves the same purpose as checkering but is uglier(I don't like checkering -stippling is worse).

You've probably gathered that I don't think I'll be getting another grip from them, but do as you like; many folks really like their Nills.

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I've seen many, many satisfied Nill customers and several hundred examples of their grips, and I must say, what you have to say about them is NOT normal. I have never seen any of their Walnut grips to look like "pallet material".

Good to hear they are not perfect. Part of the price is the importation though..
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I suppose that is the most obvious difference - that they are being imported from Germany. They are quite striking, on the revolvers above. My only previous experience with them is seeing them on guns like the HK P7. I like how it seems like they use a very mild oil finish, instead of a strong shiny lacquer. Rather understated.
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I tried to own a pair of Nil's grips but...

When I first got my 617 I wanted a pair of Nil grips for it. I started corresponding with someone from Nil as I had a lot of questions and for the money I needed to be positive of what I was getting. Everything was great through 3-4 emails and then I asked about a combination of wood and pattern that wasn't listed on their site together. He said they don't have that configuration but said he could send a couple pics of what they did have...I said great send pics but is there anyway I could get you to make me pair in this wood and pattern? Then nothing...I wrote back again and still nothing.

The impression that I came away with is they would not a take a wood they had and cut it to a pattern they offered...and that would have been fine, just tell me that! But instead were offended that I asked them to do so, so I wasn't worth their time anymore. I don't own a pair of Nils and highly doubt I ever will.

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Check out that web site - they also offer knifes.
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Nill grips are fabulous.
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Check out that web site - they also offer knifes.
Unless something has changed they only offer one knife and, while its beautiful , when I inquired about price about two years ago it was north of $900!! They weren't exactly clear in their response as to how one could be ordered since it wasn't set up so you could add it to your 'cart' and check out and pay.
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I've seen many, many satisfied Nill customers and several hundred examples of their grips, and I must say, what you have to say about them is NOT normal. I have never seen any of their Walnut grips to look like "pallet material".

Good to hear they are not perfect. Part of the price is the importation though..

Sir,

In reviewing my post, I can see that it sounds a bit more negative than I intended for it to sound. Nevertheless I wouldn't change the content; that first pair of grips did indeed look very, very bad. There was simply no way I was going to keep them, let alone pay their price for them. I wish I had a picture to show you. I'm sure, however, based on the pictures on their site and of other members' examples, that the grip I returned was an anomaly(I certainly hope so!).

The stippling certainly helps with maintaining a positive grip, but it's just not aesthetically pleasing -too utilitarian for my blood.

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These Nill grips take the bite out of this 41 Magnum. The amboyna burl grips shown in the second photo were special ordered to replace the Nill grips supplied by S&W on this 629 that were made of walnut. Nill grips are some of the best on the market today.

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The only thing from Nill I have thought about trying is this one:

Karl Nill GmbH

Wonder of wonders, there is no pic...

But it's what is in post #28 in this thread:

High Backstrap grip for 640 and 642

Or at least I think that is the one since there is no pic...
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Unless something has changed they only offer one knife and, while its beautiful , when I inquired about price about two years ago it was north of $900!! They weren't exactly clear in their response as to how one could be ordered since it wasn't set up so you could add it to your 'cart' and check out and pay.
Makes sense to me. For $900, who would want to buy it, anyway? You're right, of course; they offer only one type of knife, but they describe the page on their homepage as offering "knifes." Maybe they meant that the system would would work only if you bought two or more of them - did you try that?
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Makes sense to me. For $900, who would want to buy it, anyway? You're right, of course; they offer only one type of knife, but they describe the page on their homepage as offering "knifes." Maybe they meant that the system would would work only if you bought two or more of them - did you try that?
Not at that price - I'd buy a Randall instead!
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Wow. First, those are fantastic guns. Second, the grips are stunning, especially with the perfectly lighted matte-box photography. Nill would probably sell way more product if they invested in some proper photography...then again, almost ALL gun manufacturers fail to realize the value of lush photography on their websites.


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Best made grips on the market today. Definatly deal with the law of diminishing return on them though. I like my two sets, it is a real challenge to get the grips off the gun. I wonder why they even use a screw some times.
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Hi,

I'm german and I personally don't have good experiences with Nill grips. Not because of their quality, which is not to critisize, but because of the cost-value-ratio. I bought my first Nill grip for my 27-3 in 1988, when they were fresh in business, but I switched back to the standard S&W target after short time, later to a Hogue wood smooth. My wife tried a very nice combat grip on her 696, but immediately took it off in favour for an Ahrends Retro Banana. I tried their Master II on my 1911, just to put it aside and use a rubber Pachmayr. I have one very nice looking Nill grip set for my SIG 210, which I don't use. I had Nill make me an orthopedic grip with finger grooves and all the bells and whistles for my 27-3, only to find out, that this 200 € grip didn't make me shoot tighter groups than rather the opposite (later sold it for 45 €...)

Why all those changes? To me, and in this I might be a special case, Nill grips don't seem to fit my hands. They seem to be a tiny little bit too large for me to call them optimal: My groups with each gun are very tight when I use grips which allow my hand to close more tightly on the grip as the Nills do. I guess 75 % of those people who use Nills won't have those problems, but when you spend 150-200 $ for a grip set, you don't want to be disappointed.

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Oliveview,

If I can figure out how to post pictures(again), here is the grip I ended up with. It's a nice piece of walnut and nicely finished. Unfortunately the stippled surface totally obscures the grain, and covers much of the grip.

It's been awhile since I got this and don't remember all the details, but I remember that I wanted this one with a smooth surface, but it was only available with the stippled surface.

Thought you might like to see another example.

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Yeah. I see exactly what you mean. The stippling really obscures the grain. I think the way to go with such a high-quality piece of wood, is either totally smooth, or classically checkered in only the center of the panel.
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I looked into them, but for the price, and the almost 2 month wait, I think I'll order Herretts instead. Besides, Herretts has been part of the American shooting scene forever.
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I have three sets and love them. One I bought in Kansas City at the NRA convention a number of years ago. It was center stage in Nills dispay case and made of high-figured walnut. During those years, Nill had an office/distributorship in Texas manned by some Germans (one a somewhat stunning blonde). Some of these folks also shot at the Bianchi Cup in Columbia, Missouri during that period of years.

As another poster said, these grips fit TIGHTLY on the frame. As a matter of fact, I have been somewhat scared to try to remove them. Any ideas on how to do so safely.
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Snowman, those are the grips I'm saving up for. Bet they feel great while shooting!
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Snowman, those are the grips I'm saving up for. Bet they feel great while shooting!
They're just a tad large for my hand, but are fine for single action shooting, which is all I do with that particular gun anyway.

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Yes,having purchased a number of them,they are especially nice.You get what you pay for.
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Nills Grips are amazingly good. I had a pair on my S&W 19. The only other grip I would consider is a Rink Grip.
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I can't stand rubber grips of any kind (and I tried several). I also tried Hogue wood and then had a pair of Jordan Troopers made. Even though they were made from a pattern of my hand I still didn't like the fit.

I ordered a pair of Nills for my K-Frame and they fit my hand better than anything I have tried. I wondered how they would hold up to use in IDPA but after a year they are a little nicked up and a some of the finish is starting to rub away but I haven't had any problem with them.
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They're most likely NC machined and the resulting fit is VERY tight.
So are altamonts. My round to square conversion altamonts are nearly impossible to remove once installed. This set is in pics here and here. Of course the altamonts cost $65.00, and are Made in USA.

That being said - the one thing I am seeing differentiating the beloved target style grips from the less liked grips is how low the grip extends on the trigger guard. That's one area where both Hogue and Nills seem to have learned that the less finger behind the trigger guard, the better the index position on the trigger, and the more comfortable the recoil. The same underlying principle of the grip adapters as well.

I purchased a set of Nills for a Sig P220, and they are nice - but not perfect. I had to remove some wood to get the slide release to work right, a problem for which I received no response or support. They were North of $200.00. For the money, I think american alternatives, like Altamonts or Ahrends are better.

The Cordia Ahrends currently on my 686-4 are about as good as it gets in grips so far. They do have some small gaps - but importantly I can remove them for cleaning the gun thoroughly without needing to pry them off, AND they're certainly not uncomfortable. For $60 and Made in the USA, I think they're the ticket.





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So are altamonts. My round to square conversion altamonts are nearly impossible to remove once installed. This set is in pics here and here. Of course the altamonts cost $65.00, and are Made in USA.

That being said - the one thing I am seeing differentiating the beloved target style grips from the less liked grips is how low the grip extends on the trigger guard. That's one area where both Hogue and Nills seem to have learned that the less finger behind the trigger guard, the better the index position on the trigger, and the more comfortable the recoil. The same underlying principle of the grip adapters as well.

I purchased a set of Nills for a Sig P220, and they are nice - but not perfect. I had to remove some wood to get the slide release to work right, a problem for which I received no response or support. They were North of $200.00. For the money, I think american alternatives, like Altamonts or Ahrends are better.

The Cordia Ahrends currently on my 686-4 are about as good as it gets in grips so far. They do have some small gaps - but importantly I can remove them for cleaning the gun thoroughly without needing to pry them off, AND they're certainly not uncomfortable. For $60 and Made in the USA, I think they're the ticket.





Man those are beautiful and look better than any 200 dollar Nills I have seen.
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So are altamonts. My round to square conversion altamonts are nearly impossible to remove once installed. Of course the altamonts cost $65.00, and are Made in USA.
Are you certain those are from Altamont?
Look suspiciously like the Ahrends I get from Terri Redman.
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I have Nils on five guns, and Aherends on several plus a bunch of the good old finger grooved combats on others. The Nils are the best.
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Just to keep this thread going... have four sets and one more on order. Everything from S&W .22 to S&W 460. They look, feel, handle, FIT, the best that I can see. And order time ... if you work out the details : order early in the month before their monthly ship date you should have them in three weeks max or as little as two weeks. My repeat experience. Have also found the contact I ended up with in Germany (via internet ordering on their website) to be very responsive. Complaints: absolutely none. I don't comment on products much at all, but this is one product that is just plain good.
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I've always admired Nill grips when I see them on the Sig forum and up here but I never thought of spending the money for them.
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Love all the above posted pictures. I have one set on my Sig P220 ST which I purchased a couple of years ago from Sig during a sale for $99.00.

They are nice grips and a bargain for what I paid.
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Nill on my 617. Fit like a glove.
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These Nill grips are just like a Mercedes, high quality german engineering
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Always wanted a set...... but at the price, I have been reluctant to order a set without having been able to handle them on a gun.........

Craig Spegel's Boot Grips and Extended Boot Grips; smooth and checkered;..... have become my standard......for over 20 years.
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Here`s my 586-3 with Nill grips


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Was excited to find a set of Nill K Diamond Targets for my 17-2.
Unfortunately, when installed, the screw fouled the mainspring and prevented it from cocking.
They went back for a full refund.
Lesson learned, no more Nills for me.
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I have a nice set of wood grips for my Sig P225 from grips4u.net. They fit great and look great. Priced very resonable.

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For the posters who are having difficulty removing their tight fitting grips; DO NOT PRY THEM OFF!!!

Just remove the screw, then and rap the side of the trigger guard with a nylon hammer. They will come right off.
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Snowman, those are the grips I'm saving up for. Bet they feel great while shooting!
Call me or Email me ...with the gun you have….
I have a set for sale…I love Ahrends Retro-Combats and ask for "eye-candy"



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Was excited to find a set of Nill K Diamond Targets for my 17-2.
Unfortunately, when installed, the screw fouled the mainspring and prevented it from cocking.
They went back for a full refund.
Lesson learned, no more Nills for me.
That's not untypical in my opinion.I originally bought my targets for a Model 19,but when I tried them on a number of rimfire K frames,it wasn't a good match.Fortunately,they worked well enough on my Model 18.
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For the posters who are having difficulty removing their tight fitting grips; DO NOT PRY THEM OFF!!!

Just remove the screw, then and rap the side of the trigger guard with a nylon hammer. They will come right off.
Nill recommends a glancing blow to the bottom of one grip panel with a rubber mallet.
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