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Old 03-27-2012, 02:13 AM
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I have enjoyed shooting 44 specials through my 629-1, and decided to up the ante tonight. At the range I picked up a box of PMC 240gr TCSP, and gave it a whirl.

It's amazingly more stout; my hand smarted, and I found myself adjusting grip between shots. After 18 rounds I was done for the night. With 44 magnums it's right on the edge for me in manageability. I stopped as I was starting to flinch.

I'm using some ahrends retro combat smooth (no finger groove) grips. They work great with the 44 special. Would finger groove grips work better with the magnums? Or do I *need* to go rubber?

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This is a 4" gun btw., and I have read about recoil issues with this length. Below are the Ahrends grips I was using tonight.

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Old 03-27-2012, 04:37 AM
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Grips are a very subjective thing. Depending on your hand shape, a different grip could be a lot more comfortable. Ahrends are beautiful, but they don't work for me, while Hogues fit my hand perfectly. Rubber soaks up some of the recoil, but doesn't look as nice.

Most people think a 4" 629 is pretty snappy with full power loads. Maybe you could find some intermediate loads and get used to them before going full power. If you develop a flinch, your shooting will go downhill fast. Most of my 44 shooting is with cast loads, 240 grn at a little over 1000 fps. I only shoot full power loads about 10% of the time.

That's a nice looking 629-1 !!!

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Finger grips work best for me on the short barreled guns but on the really hard kickers (329's) I have to use goodyears or I'm constantly readjusting my grip on the gun. I use mid range loads (250@950) for daily use and save the full power loads for when they're needed. That's a great looking sixgun, enjoy it
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Old 03-27-2012, 05:56 AM
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I have only shot a 329, but have experienced the difference between grips on that gun, which can only be more pronounced than on a 629.

The wood grips are indeed beautiful, and since I would consider them borderline with Specials out of the 329 it's probably pleasant from the 629. The 329 is unshootable without a 500SW grip with real Magnums, IMHO, but no problem with that grip. When I get a 629, I'm sure I would opt for a rubber grip covering the backstrap if I intended to shoot Magnums out of it.

It's not just the material but how the grip fits your hand. As much as I like my SW I have to say the N-frame grip is not the most comfortable design I have shot, and I feel it focuses more of the recoil impulse into a small spot in the webbing of the hand than other makers' designs. I've never had such an issues with my Taurus guns carrying more rounded grips, for example, which seems to spread the force more broadly into my hand.

Even with the snappy 329, without finger grooves, I have no issues with the gun shifting in my hand between shots. IMHO if you go to rubber you may not need them, but if you really want to stay with wood them may help you hold the gun in position better.
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If you think those 240s were snappy, don't bother trying 180s. When I bought my first 629, a 6.5" Classic, I bought some Hornady XTPs in both bullet weights to see which one the gun liked better. I handload all my target ammo but since I only shoot full-power loads for hunting, I just use factory loads for that.

While the 240s are pretty stout in the recoil department, the 180s could be called violent. A cylinder-full was enough for me and I'm not terribly recoil-sensitive. I have a T/C Contender in 7-30 Waters, a .30-30 Winchester necked down to .284", and it is pleasant to shoot by comparison.

For punching paper, I handload 240-grain lead semi-wadcutters for my .44s at about 950fps and it is a comfortable load to shoot.

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Good advice from all. Caution that you don't develop a flinch, too.

Great arguments for handloading. I, too throttle them back to about 1000 f/s.
Back in the day, I hunted with an 8-3/8" 29-2.
These midrange loads with hard 240 grain bullets would shoot clean through a deer.
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For me shooting full house 44mag loads the " rubber " black S&W grips that came on my 629-6 5" barrel worked great at helping reduce felt recoil. But I just had to have the S&W rubber " Tamer " orange grips S&W sell on thier website. Really there is no difference in the rubber factory grips that came on my 629 and the " Tamer " grips that I put on except the color. Both these rubber grips do cover the backstrap and IMHO that helps reduce felt recoil also. The orange S&W Tamer grips might have a slightly tackier rubber providing a better grip but it isn't much different. With the backstrap covered grips it does make for a little longer trigger reach but my hands are small and it isn't a problem for me.

BUT I do love the looks of good wood grips on a nice gun. I am not that much into looks anyway or why else would I put those ugly orange grips on my gun other than to get a better grip with less felt recoil ( which isn't all that bad anyway ).
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If your hand is large, you might try Herrett's Jordan Trooper grips in smooth wood. A friend had those on his M-29 and they reduced recoil effects tremendously, while allowing greater control.


If the grips are checkered, you may see the imprint of that checkering in your hand for awhile after a shooting session.

A .44 Magnum is not meant as a target gun. It is meant to hunt suitable game or to save your life if attacked by a large animal. If you fired 18 rounds without getting a bad flinch, you're good to go!
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The 500 grips on the S&W site are all for a round butt. My 629-1 is of course square butt. I've never cared for the feel of the hogue monogrip, though it looks like I will have to try it. It still has an open backstrap.

How about Pachmayrs? Finger grooved Ahrends?

The Jordan Troopers look interesting - I am not too excited about the whole custom order custom cut thing to just try them. That's a lot of cash.

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I know what you mean. I've only shot .44 magnums once, with a big Smith--7 1/2" full lug 629. I did shoot about 15 just to say I'd done it, but that was enough. I figured why not have fun with .44 Specials instead of torment with the mags. I know some on the forum love shooting the mags, and as one poster said their purpose isn't really at the range. But definitely not my thing. (do like the .44 mag guns though.)
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I'm sure that you are an experienced shooter, so I don't want to offend you here; but to satisfy my curiosity, may I ask if you are allowing the gun to rise/roll as it recoils? I always just let my .44s go where they want to, and it eases the jolt considerably. If you were trying to take down a charging bear, you might not have the time to do that; but on the range or under other safer circumstances that's how I recommend that people shoot the large caliber heavy kickers. Utilizing that practice I usually fire around 30 rounds at least when I am using my .44s, without ill effects. But then I don't have a 4" gun; they might behave differently.

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The first time I ever shot a 44 Mag was when I got my 629 Carry Comp with the 3" barrel and wooden boot grips... launched a cylinders worth of 240gr and that was more than enough for me.
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I USUALLY shoot .44 Spls out of my 629 Mountain Gun. I use the Ahrends pictured below. I HAVE shot .44 Mag out of it, but on a limited basis, w/o a problem. As I don't reload, I don't spend money shooting factory .44 Mag at the range to punch holes in paper. That's NOT what the .44 Mag was designed for. You will have to shoot a bit of .44 Mag hunting ammo @ a range to zero the weapon before taking it afield, however. A simple inexpensive cure (around $40.) would be a set of Pachmayr grips that cover the backstrap, for when you are inclined to shoot a full box of .44 Magnum. Fingergrooves may aid a bit in control, but do nothing to dampen felt recoil. A pair of Past shooting gloves, or a similar product will help you also...PAST® Shooting Gloves (Professional)
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As I don't reload, I don't spend money shooting factory .44 Mag at the range to punch holes in paper. That's NOT what the .44 Mag was designed for.
Perhaps you should take up the very enjoyable and rewarding hobby of handloading ammo for your guns. I like to shoot all my guns, including the "hunting" ones, so target shooting is how my .44s get fired 99% of the time. There ARE target competitions for big-bore handguns, after all.

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Perhaps you should take up the very enjoyable and rewarding hobby of handloading ammo for your guns. I like to shoot all my guns, including the "hunting" ones, so target shooting is how my .44s get fired 99% of the time. There ARE target competitions for big-bore handguns, after all.

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Ooops. I forgot about that they were only for the round butt.

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The 500 grips on the S&W site are all for a round butt. My 629-1 is of course square butt. I've never cared for the feel of the hogue monogrip, though it looks like I will have to try it. It still has an open backstrap.

How about Pachmayrs? Finger grooved Ahrends?

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I'm sure that you are an experienced shooter, so I don't want to offend you here; but to satisfy my curiosity, may I ask if you are allowing the gun to rise/roll as it recoils? I always just let my .44s go where they want to, and it eases the jolt considerably. If you were trying to take down a charging bear, you might not have the time to do that; but on the range or under other safer circumstances that's how I recommend that people shoot the large caliber heavy kickers. Utilizing that practice I usually fire around 30 rounds at least when I am using my .44s, without ill effects. But then I don't have a 4" gun; they might behave differently.

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No offense is taken at all! I have no experience with this kind of handgun recoil whatsoever.

Using proper recoil handling should I be able to shoot this gun all day with the wood grips pictured? Without damaging the web of my thumb? I would not be surprised if I was using poor technique. I've never had training for high power handguns.

I've shot thousands of rounds of 45 acp and 357 - but they are nothing compared to this.
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From where do I obtain these wondrous grips?
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I put the X-frame grips on my .44 to tame the recoil and they work great. They cover the backstrap with padding, increase the trigger reach slightly, and fill out the hand better than the N-frame hogues which don't cover the backstrap. Makes shooting full-house a breeze.
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I have the Hogue wooden monogrip on my 29. My 629-1 Classic Hunter wears rubber monogrips. Both tame recoil fine for me. The 44 magnum is not a hard kicker in my opinion.
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No offense is taken at all! I have no experience with this kind of handgun recoil whatsoever.

Using proper recoil handling should I be able to shoot this gun all day with the wood grips pictured? Without damaging the web of my thumb? I would not be surprised if I was using poor technique. I've never had training for high power handguns.

I've shot thousands of rounds of 45 acp and 357 - but they are nothing compared to this.

Mike,

I don't know if I would say you could shoot it "all day" without discomfort, but certainly you could fire it considerably longer than you did, I would think. Training really isn't necessary, just a little practice. If most of your shooting practice to this point has been defensive in nature, or if you fire semi-autos most of the time, then that might explain why your .44 is hurting you. In defensive practice or in shooting semi-autos, we keep our arms and wrists fairly stiff so as to stay on target for fast follow-up shots or, in the case of semis, to keep from "limp-wristing" the gun and thereby cause cycling problems.

With large caliber magnum revolvers, we want our elbow bent somewhat and both elbow and wrist slightly relaxed, allowing them to flex when the gun recoils, thereby allowing the recoil to take the gun upward and backward without jarring and twisting in the hand as much as it would with our arm in a straight, stiff position. If you've seen any of the Dirty Harry films, Eastwood appears to have mastered the technique(whether the gun recoils as heavily with blanks or not, I don't know). When he fires his 29 in those films, it very much resembles the movement I've experienced with my .44, and it doesn't really cause much discomfort at all.

As others here have indicated, sometimes a different grip helps. But I think I would try the above technique and see if it doesn't help some. Then if you're still getting hurt by the gun, try a different grip.

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I'm sure it's not this way for everyone, but for me, a trip to the range with my M29 is "hang on and go for a ride" experience. I love it. 25 to 50 rounds of Win 240gr JSP is a good session.
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I don't know if I would say you could shoot it "all day" without discomfort, but certainly you could fire it considerably longer than you did, I would think. Training really isn't necessary, just a little practice. If most of your shooting practice to this point has been defensive in nature, or if you fire semi-autos most of the time, then that might explain why your .44 is hurting you. In defensive practice or in shooting semi-autos, we keep our arms and wrists fairly stiff so as to stay on target for fast follow-up shots or, in the case of semis, to keep from "limp-wristing" the gun and thereby cause cycling problems.

With large caliber magnum revolvers, we want our elbow bent somewhat and both elbow and wrist slightly relaxed, allowing them to flex when the gun recoils, thereby allowing the recoil to take the gun upward and backward without jarring and twisting in the hand as much as it would with our arm in a straight, stiff position. If you've seen any of the Dirty Harry films, Eastwood appears to have mastered the technique(whether the gun recoils as heavily with blanks or not, I don't know). When he fires his 29 in those films, it very much resembles the movement I've experienced with my .44, and it doesn't really cause much discomfort at all.

As others here have indicated, sometimes a different grip helps. But I think I would try the above technique and see if it doesn't help some. Then if you're still getting hurt by the gun, try a different grip.

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You have nailed it across the board in my technique; my shooting has been defensive practice, and I have spent the most time with semi-autos.

I'm going to give it a try, and thanks!
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You're welcome, Mike. It will take a little practice and maybe some fits and starts to get used to. I might describe things another way as follows:

In defensive practice and with semis we force the gun to move as little as possible during recoil; with heavy magnums we allow it to move as much as it wants. The only restriction we place on it is to guide it upward so it doesn't hit us in the forehead(which happens to inexperienced folks occasionally).

You might look up some of the Dirty Harry clips on YouTube for a good visual of what generally should happen when shooting a .44.

Let us know how things go if you get a chance.

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I know in internet Commando Land there are many Chairborne Rangers who will tell you how much they Love shooting the hard recoiling calibers, and that they shoot them all day everytime they go to the range. Now I belong to two different clubs and shoot a handgun at least twice a week. I also reload all my ammo and go through 10,000 .22lrs and about 5,000 centerfire rounds in a year on average. I seldom ever shoot full house loads.

I also virtually NEVER see anyone at either of my clubs shooting full house magnums, even at the 100 yard sillouhette matches held two or three times a year.

Last time was about a year ago when I saw a member bring out a new 500 S&W magnum with some Buffalo Bore hunting ammo. The first couple shots at 25 yards were on the paper. By shot six he was hitting the front of the knee wall below the target, and by 10 the ground two feet in front of the target holder.

Hi teenage son then shot the gun and had similar results. after about 30 or so shots they packed up and left. I haven't seen them there with the 500 since.

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OK, the old novice back to ask another question. In considering a 629 I have been thinking about a 4" barrel. How much easier would the recoil and manageability be if I went with a 6"? I really don't care to consider anything longer than 6".
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The 6 inch will actually recoil more than the 4" because the barrel dwell time is longer. Now you are also getting into Perceived recoil and thats where the 4" will Seem worse.

4" has more muzzle blast, that's noise and flash and the pressure wave you can feel in your sinuses. The 6" will seem more pleasant because of reduced blast and flash. But if you measured recoil objectively a longer barrel produces more.
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The whole let the magnum raise up and recoil naturally (roll with it) technique is absolutely true and why, for shooting stout loads (very few listed above) in .44 magnum, I much prefer a Ruger Single action. Of the three .44 mags I've owned, shot, handloaded for & hunted with (Ruger Super Blackhawk 7.5", Ruger Bisley Vaquero 4 5/8" & S&W 629 4") the smaller Ruger with those hand filling, smooth and hard, easy to rotate grips, handled the considerable recoil of a 300 gr. Nosler HP over 21.6 gr. of 296 or 19 gr. of 2400 by far the most comfortably.

My needs have changed, I understand my practical applications better, sold my Rugers and now fully embrace the ability to shoot .44 spl & mag (medium pressure 240 gr loads) both single and double action in a durable, all-day portable and classy package. CB
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...A .44 Magnum is not meant as a target gun. It is meant to hunt suitable game or to save your life if attacked by a large animal. If you fired 18 rounds without getting a bad flinch, you're good to go!
Mike, you have received a lot of good advice here. Stocks do make a difference, but the technique of handling the recoil described by Snowman and others is important, too. What Texas Star says above should be absolutely obvious to anyone, but in "internet commando-land" it is not fashionable. The point is, find the stocks you like, refine your technique, and practice. It may not be possible for you to tolerate 100-rounds of 44 Magnums in an afternoon. If not, don't worry about it. It is more important to be able to fire 18- or 24-rounds that are carefully aimed and hit the target than to blaze away and do nothing but tear up the berm.

As to the 4- versus 6-inch barrel thing, I have never seen anyone seriously argue which is more comfortable to fire - it's the 6-inch gun. A lot of folks do seem to get along reasonably well with 4-inchers (I am not one of them) but the general rule has always been: 4-inch = "mean!", 6.5-inch = "better!", 8.375-inch = "almost tame."
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Mike, you have received a lot of good advice here. Stocks do make a difference, but the technique of handling the recoil described by Snowman and others is important, too. What Texas Star says above should be absolutely obvious to anyone, but in "internet commando-land" it is not fashionable. The point is, find the stocks you like, refine your technique, and practice. It may not be possible for you to tolerate 100-rounds of 44 Magnums in an afternoon. If not, don't worry about it. It is more important to be able to fire 18- or 24-rounds that are carefully aimed and hit the target than to blaze away and do nothing but tear up the berm.

As to the 4- versus 6-inch barrel thing, I have never seen anyone seriously argue which is more comfortable to fire - it's the 6-inch gun. A lot of folks do seem to get along reasonably well with 4-inchers (I am not one of them) but the general rule has always been: 4-inch = "mean!", 6.5-inch = "better!", 8.375-inch = "almost tame."
I agree. It's DEFINITELY better to fire a cylinder or two of well aimed shots than to blaze through a full box of ammo and accomplish nothing--EXCEPT to perhaps develop a flinch....
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But if you actually plan to carry and wear that .44 all day in a holster, especially hiking/hunting in the mountains... a 8 3/8" gun is extremely tiresome and likely to be left in the truck; here, ounces count and a much lighter 4" shines.

As far as accuracy with magnum loads, it is hard to imagine a scenario where more than 2-4 well aimed shots would not be enough to neutralize most any threat I am likely to face, but yeah, I guess methies sometimes travel in packs. Good thing I've got 6 fast ones and a few backups in the pocket. CB

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But if you actually plan to carry and wear that .44 all day in a holster, especially hiking/hunting in the mountains... a 8 3/8" gun is extremely tiresome and likely to be left in the truck; here, ounces count and a much lighter 4" shines.

As far as accuracy with magnum loads, it is hard to imagine a scenario where more than 2-4 well aimed shots would not be enough to neutralize most any threat I am likely to face, but yeah, I guess methies sometimes travel in packs. Good thing I've got 6 fast ones and a few backups in the pocket. CB

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My standard load for 29s of all stripes over the past 30 years has been a 255 Keith and 18 grains of 2400 for a load that is controllable and reasonable for me to shoot.

It's powerful, very accurate, and has met all the challenges I have given it. does right at 1100 fps in my 5" 629.
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My standard load for 29s of all stripes over the past 30 years has been a 255 Keith and 18 grains of 2400 for a load that is controllable and reasonable for me to shoot.

It's powerful, very accurate, and has met all the challenges I have given it. does right at 1100 fps in my 5" 629.
10-4 on that load, its a dam good one, the majority of my 44's like it but a few of them like a little more powder (19gr) its pretty hard to beat 2400 and a 250 Keith
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The only issue that I have while shooting a lot of 44Mag is that my right hand thumb contacts the cylinder release, eventually taking a good chunk of skin off. I have to consciously hold my thumb down with my left hand thumb to avoid it. Lowering my grip helps too but I have less control. Does anyone else have this issue?
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One of the best threads discussing grips, hand-loads, and the collective issues regarding handgun/shooter performance I've seen in a long time!

Not a single invalid point among the posts, IMO... Lots of knowledge and experience here!
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I'm going back Saturday, after I've loaded some of the 44sp p+, but I am going to try managing the recoil as discussed above with the full house loads too. I've also got some new badger grips that are more ergonomic - they fit my hand much better, so hopefully that will help a little too.

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If you reload, get a big bottle of Trailboss and some 240 grain SWC lead bullets. Look up the max cowboy action load on Hodgdons website 7.3 grains and load up a bunch of these. They will give you about 900 fps, great accuracy and little recoil. They will be leading and smoke free. Use .44 magnum cases and magnum primers.

Accurate and economical, very pleasant to shoot.

Its my favorite .44 magnum load.
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i have a 624 44 spl and have enjoyed shooting it a lot i bought a 629-1 44mag last month finely bought some 240grn rem sp and shot half the box what a rude awakeing the differance in the kick of the gun i do reload so i am going to try and reload softer loads just so i con shoot more
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My standard load for 29s of all stripes over the past 30 years has been a 255 Keith and 18 grains of 2400 for a load that is controllable and reasonable for me to shoot.
Try this one. Over the years, I have seen more guys using 18-19 grs of 2400 than anything else. It is not as hot as you can load the 44, but it is nothing to sneeze at. If I want a slightly heavier load, I use basically the same charge and substitute the H&G #326 bullet (275 grs). Either of these loads will probably shoot right through two whitetails, if you can get them lined up for the shot.
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I found the wood grips on my 29-10 to cause pain after minimal shooting (~50 rounds). I switched to Hogues and now enjoy shooting .44 mags in it. It's actually addictive!
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I think there are two philosophys with these big bores.

1. Wood grips. Let the gun roll in your hand. I don't seem to be able to make that work for me, maybe with some more practice.

2. Grip the gun firmly. Let your arms rise with the gun, but keep your grip. That seems better for me. However; smooth grips work against that. Hogue rubber finger grips help a lot. With wood grips, gloves help.

Not trying to convert you to either method. Just giving options. But, if the shock of recoil hurts your hand, rubber grips that cover the back are a friend.

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I think there are two philosophys with these big bores.

1. Wood grips. Let the gun roll in your hand. I don't seem to be able to make that work for me, maybe with some more practice.

2. Grip the gun firmly. Let your arms rise with the gun, but keep your grip. That seems better for me. However; smooth grips work against that. Hogue rubber finger grips help a lot. With wood grips, gloves help.

Not trying to convert you to either method. Just giving options. But, if the shock of recoil hurts your hand, rubber grips that cover the back are a friend.
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The correct grips for you are hard to find and can be different for everyone. I've tried changing grips and it may take a few to find what works for you. I've usaually found Hogue works for me but not on every gun.

All I can say is good luck.
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