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I'm in the hunt for 2 640 Pros.

Has anybody heard anything on these recently?
My local gun store had two, mother-in-law bought one and I got the other. She was looking for a concealed carry gun and I suggested a model 60. She went there and bought the 640 pro. After hearing about what she bought, I looked it up and hauled ***** to the store and got the other one. My new favorite gun for now..... Sold my m&p340 to buy the 640 pro. Made a little $ after all was said and done and got rid of the evil 340.
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Forgot to mention that was all this week. Got it on Monday actually.
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Tracer Bullet,

Excuse me for reviving a two year old thread, but that was a really good review. For the past several months, I have been waiting for months to have Smith & Wesson restock the Model 60 Pro Series. I want a new conceal carry revolver. Dealers are waiting for delivery. Now after reading your review and the responding comments, you may just have placed me upon the horns of a dilemma: The Model 60 Pro Series or the Model 640 Pro Series. I like the increase weight of both revolvers because I believe the stainless steel frame will absorb some of the recoil that hits me when I shoot my light weight snubby. I rarely shoot more than 50 rounds at the range with my snub nose revolver because it starts to hurt. I carry on my waist because I already have too much in my front pocket. So pocket carry is not an issue for me. The Dovetail Night Sights and the Moon Clips are tempting. I am wondering what 7/8 inch barrel difference will make in shooting these revolvers? Maybe it is a good thing for me that the dealers don't have the Model 60 Pro Series right now. Life is full of decisions that set you on a different path.
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Could not find one ,but found 640-1 like new without lock for $5 bills.It will do and shoots fine. Very well made with all forged inner's too. Smooth action.
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Excuse me for reviving a two year old thread, but that was a really good review. For the past several months, I have been waiting for months to have Smith & Wesson restock the Model 60 Pro Series. I want a new conceal carry revolver. Dealers are waiting for delivery. Now after reading your review and the responding comments, you may just have placed me upon the horns of a dilemma: The Model 60 Pro Series or the Model 640 Pro Series. I like the increase weight of both revolvers because I believe the stainless steel frame will absorb some of the recoil that hits me when I shoot my light weight snubby. I rarely shoot more than 50 rounds at the range with my snub nose revolver because it starts to hurt. I carry on my waist because I already have too much in my front pocket. So pocket carry is not an issue for me. The Dovetail Night Sights and the Moon Clips are tempting. I am wondering what 7/8 inch barrel difference will make in shooting these revolvers? Maybe it is a good thing for me that the dealers don't have the Model 60 Pro Series right now. Life is full of decisions that set you on a different path.
I have a 640 Pro and I can tell you it is the smoothest shooting J-frame I own. You can take this gun to the range and shoot it all day unlike shooting a 642. But it is far from a pocket carry gun. I had a little adjustment with the difference in the weight from my 642 to the 640 Pro. The difference is weight it quite noticeable but I'm a little older so maybe it's just me. But as far as shoot ability. I love the 640 Pro. The sights are perfect, super smooth trigger right out of the box. I feel totally comfortable carrying it with one or two speed strips in my pocket. And until I get a lot older and can't handle the weight it's my everyday carry.
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Jim,

Thanks for the info. I put my name on the 640 Pro Series watch/notification list. The weight of the 640 in a pocket will make my pants sag [besides it would probably scratch up my pocket watch ] So pocket carrying is irrelevant. Even though I'm no longer young, it will be no problem for me to take the weight. So I'll just take it on the waist and with my gut I won't even notice the increase. As the late JJ Cale said: "I'm well over sixty. Older than most. Won't be long now 'for I'm talking to a ghost."
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I'm really starting to like the 640 Pro. Might even contemplate ditching the M&P 360 for one.
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Interesting, Jim. I'm sure the all-stainless construction helps a lot with recoil. What are you shooting in yours that makes it comfortable all day?
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I like mine and find it quite spirited with full power 357 rounds. However, with 38's it is nice.

I really like the moon clip option also.

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I have three questions for you. What is the name of the grips you have installed on your 640 Pro Series? I know nothing about moonclips. Do moonclips interfere with the use of a speedloader. And do those grips interfere with a Safariland Speedloader?
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I have three questions for you. What is the name of the grips you have installed on your 640 Pro Series? I know nothing about moonclips. Do moonclips interfere with the use of a speedloader. And do those grips interfere with a Safariland Speedloader?
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1) The grips are made by Altmont and you can see a pic of them here. The reference number about halfway down the page is 2399. You may find them cheaper elsewhere, but the linked page has a good pic and description.

2) Moon clips do not interfere with the use of a speed loader, but rather replace the need for a speed loader. My 640 Pro came with the back of the cylinder machined to accept moon clips. It can be loaded in four ways: With single rounds, with standard speed strips, via a standard speed loader, or with five rounds clipped in a moon clip. The rounds stay secured in the moon clip throughout the process of loading/firing/ejecting. In other words, once the rounds are snapped into the moon clip the rounds and moon clip stay as a single unit until you separate the spent brass from it. The one advantage is a faster reload than with singles and less bulk to carry spare ammo than with a standard speed loader.

3) I don't have a Safariland speed loader, so I'll make a guess based on my HKS speed loaders. Yes, these grips may provide some interference with a speed loader. However, it isn't bad. The slimmer moon clips loaded with 357 rounds seem to drop in with a little jiggle and with shorter 38 Special rounds there is no problem.

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Interesting, Jim. I'm sure the all-stainless construction helps a lot with recoil. What are you shooting in yours that makes it comfortable all day?
When I bought the 640 Pro it was never my intention to shoot 357's out of it regularly. What I wanted was a gun with more weight and less recoil then my 642. My thinking was if I have more control in a SD situation I don't have to use 357's. The more times I can hit my aggressor the less chance he has. I practice with what I carry in it. Right now I'm using Hornaday Critical Defense FTX 110 Grain 38's. I have shot a couple of boxes of 158gr Buffalo Bore ammo out of it also. As far as shooting a 357 round it is a little more snappy. But you are right the stainless steel construction and weight of the Pro helps. When I was carrying and shooting my 642 after a box of ammo I was done. Keep in mind though I'm no spring chicken I'm over 60. So maybe a younger guy can handle the 357's and carry them. It's what you feel the most comfortable with. If you can't hit whats in front of you it doesn't matter what you are carrying.

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Edom,

Thanks for clearing things up for me and thanks also for the lead to the grip photo. Please excuse my typo on your name.
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Thanks for clearing things up for me and thanks also for the lead to the grip photo. Please excuse my typo on your name.
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KF-NYC, thanks for the comments. I haven't had a chance to check the forums for a couple of weeks so I'm sorry for the late response.
The weight of the 640Pro makes it easy to shoot anything up to 158gr +P loads for me. The magnums are a handful, though 110gr magnums aren't too bad for about 15 shots or so.
As far as the difference between the barrel lengths of the 640Pro and the 60Pro Series, I'm not sure. Velocities will vary with each individual gun, and could be really close or significantly different depending on the specific guns tested. I would expect to lose somewhere between 25-50FPS with the shorter barrel compared to the 3" barrel, but that's just a guesstimate. I did some research on what works in short (1 7/8") barrels and came up with the FBI load (158gr+P LSWCHP) and the Speer Gold Dot short barrel loads (AKA the New York Load I believe, 135gr+P JHP), so those are what I use. The FBI load hits closest to point of aim, so I stick with that as much as possible. I was using Remington but I understand that they watered the load down when they changed packaging and upped the price, so I'm going to Buffalo Bore when my current stock of older Remington runs out.
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I got one -- and had to pass on the second. It's everything I hoped it would be -- and more. I carry it daily -- everywhere...

It cost more than expected -- but it was more than worth it. The second was $200 less -- but I didn't have the funds that time.
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While I was looking for a Pro-640 I came across a early 640-1 that has forged inner's and near NIB for 5 bills.A better made SW for sure.
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for $525....like new. Even though it's an all steel gun, firing it with full power full power 158 gr JHP 357 rounds is downright brutal. Proper grips are mandatory.
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I shoot the WW 110gr.Personnel defence 357mag load and its a mild in recoil and follow-upshots. %90+stopper.
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Well, my experience with earlier incarnations of the Centennial style Smiths, plus reading this thread resulted in one following me home yesterday. Saw it at a local feed store/gun shop, used, at a very reasonable price, and the clerk knocked off another $110.00 for cash, how could I resist?



No box, no moon clips, no paperwork, but a really good deal. Looks like new. It's around zero Fahrenheit here now, haven't shot it yet, but will let you know how it does. I like the Centennials, have a first year steel, a 42 no dash, a 340 PD, and an M&P 340. This will make a nice addition to its brothers and sisters.
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I added a nice red laser grip. Feels very good in the hand. I carry 125 gr. Federals in it. And yes it's a handful. But unlike my 340PD I don't get the feeling that I am doing any permanent damage to my hand.
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My first revolver. Still love it. I too put laser grips on it.
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The 640 Pro is a Great revolver
It has the nicest sights I ever seen on a snubby J frame & the cylinder cut for moon clips + fully shrouded barrel, It would be hard to find a nicer example..
Only the grips could be improved on.. Thanks To Craig Spegel for these..


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HEADKNOCKER: I had been thinking about grips along those lines. Beautiful. What kind of wood are those, ebony? I like those a lot. May have found the perfect grip for a very nice revolver. I agree with you that the package is just about perfect, and I have dozens of others to choose from.

So many guns, so little time!!!!
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I have two. One with gorgeous Spegel checkered Cocobolo boot grips, the other with the Uncle Mikes version. Basically, one to carry and shoot the heck out of, the other is in custom leather and is the executive version. These are great snubs and work well. I found that the work best with 158 grain loads as far as how the sights are regulated.
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HEADKNOCKER: I had been thinking about grips along those lines. Beautiful. What kind of wood are those, ebony? I like those a lot. May have found the perfect grip for a very nice revolver. I agree with you that the package is just about perfect, and I have dozens of others to choose from.

So many guns, so little time!!!!
Those grips are Macassar Ebony & Craig Spegel only charges $90 for them too.
Get on his list & have a set made--->Craig Spegel - Custom Pistol Grips
I wonder why S&W hasn't gotten with Craig to make a run of Limited Edition revolvers with his killer grips with something along these lines..


BTW I sold that revolver to Old Lawman & figured He'd pop in with a reply & a few pics..

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Thanks... I went to his website and looked at his designs last night. Beautiful stuff. The ones that you show in the above photo are stunning. I really like the combination of color, medallion and unique checkering! Thanks again for the heads up, and apologies to the OP for thread drift.
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Like les.b, I found myself looking at this old thread and thinking how cool the 640 Pro looks.

Let me just say that my bank account does not like the old threads as much as I do!!!

Just found one on line, new in the box, that will set me back around $720.00 with shipping and transfer fees. I hope it is as cool as it appears and based off the comments I have been reading here, and elsewhere, I don't think I will be disappointed.

This dealer still had 2 in stock so if you are interested send me a PM and I will let you know where. Not sure what the rules are here on that and don't want to break any.
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I'm kind of surprised that this thread keeps coming back to life and I continue to get likes on it, so thank you all for reading and commenting I still have the 640 Pro, still love it, and carried it all winter in my coat pocket.
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Well, I see several reasons that the 640 Pro is so well liked by anyone who has had the chance to closely examine one, and shoot it. Mine is stamped 640-1 in the crane. It has no lock. It has a solid stainless frame which is stamped, not etched with the older style four line address on the right side, not the modern laser etching. This an d the lack of lock hole and circular scratch n the left side are an appeal to us older folks who have been buying smiths for decades. It has a "real" barrel, not a composite bbl that is actually screwed into the old fashioned frame the old fashioned way. On top of this, it is factory modified for the moon clips, which you can use or not, depending on your mood. The gun is chambered for 357, but will also handle 38 spl, 38 spl +P, or for that matter, 38 Colt, in a pinch. The arm is heavy for its size, which gives more controllability with snappy ammo. On top of all this, it has tritium night sights, and they are so configured, that even in the daylight, they present a very useful sight picture, with their white outlines around the tritium. The only feature that might give pause to the old time purist are the MIM trigger and hammer, but I think that they are the least objectionable of smith's deviations from old technology. I have never heard of anyone having trouble with any of these parts. My example has an excellent, smooth trigger pull.

What is not to like? The weight is a tad heavy, but I, who was previously carrying an 11 1/2 oz 340 PD, have been carrying my 640 in the same Galco horsehide pocket holster since I got it, and do not notice the difference. I will be surprised if this thread doesn't keep up for awhile longer. This is an exceptional firearm.
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I am also considering to purchase this gun - I need a small J frame for pocket carry. After I could not order one locally, I contacted S&W. They told me that there will be another 640 Pro production run in June and the gun will be available for order again.

I still cannot make up my mind between the M&P 340 and the 640 Pro.


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Any help from anybody on here as to which one to choose?
Weight is the question. My 640 Pro is as light as I want to go for shooting purposes. I have shot a friend's lightweight S&W J-frame and it stings.

If you expect to carry and not shoot it often, then M&P 340 may be for you. If you want to shoot it more and the extra weight isn't an issue for carrying, I'd go with the 640 Pro. I love mine.
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I have both a 640 Pro, and a 340PD.

For belt or ankle holster carry the 640 is much preferred. It is easier to shoot, and the weight does not bother me at all on the belt or the ankle.

For pocket carry the 340 is preferred. The stainless steel 640 is just too heavy for comfortable carry in the pocket.

On the range I practice with 38s on the 640, and then fire 5 rounds in .357 to finish off.

I fire just 5 or 10 rounds of .38 out of the 340PD on the range. larger quantities leave nerve bruises that take time to recover.

I carry 4 rounds of .38 in the 340 with the last round in .357.

I rarely carry the 340 as I wear a jacket or untucked shirt to cover my S & W 686 on the belt, and my 640 on the ankle.
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This old thread hooked me too. I ordered one from Bud's. Mine, a 640-1, came with a very heavy trigger pull. I changed out the hammer and trigger return springs with a lighter set from Wolff's, and the pull is much better. I told myself I was ordering this one for my wife, but after taking it to the range, I don't know. She still thinks it's hers.
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Mine, a 640-1, came with a very heavy trigger pull.

I've heard that several times reading the reviews but it was with the Pro Series model. I was seriously looking at them a few months back and went on site to a favorite gun dealer and every single review was bad. People where very upset having spent close to $700.00 dollars. I had the same problem with one of my 642's, no lock version, the other one I had with the lock had a reasonable pull. I was thinking maybe if you don't get the lock version they purposely make the trigger heavier. Either that or they are very inconsistent with thier manufacturing.

I like a pull no lower than 8 lbs. and preferably no higher than 14 lbs. Makes me feel better about having it so close to the gonads. Although my new CCW is riding in my back pocket cause it's a BIG gun. And the trigger pull is perhaps even more important because it's a reach around affair to draw it out without blowing a hole in the gluteus maximus .
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I've heard that several times reading the reviews but it was with the Pro Series model. I was seriously looking at them a few months back and went on site to a favorite gun dealer and every single review was bad. People where very upset having spent close to $700.00 dollars. I had the same problem with one of my 642's, no lock version, the other one I had with the lock had a reasonable pull. I was thinking maybe if you don't get the lock version they purposely make the trigger heavier. Either that or they are very inconsistent with thier manufacturing.

I like a pull no lower than 8 lbs. and preferably no higher than 14 lbs. Makes me feel better about having it so close to the gonads. Although my new CCW is riding in my back pocket cause it's a BIG gun. And the trigger pull is perhaps even more important because it's a reach around affair to draw it out without blowing a hole in the gluteus maximus .
Strictly speculation on my part, but I wonder if S&W is currently producing "no lock" guns with a heavier trigger pull to better child proof (or law suit proof) them.
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I think your on to something.
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I just bought a 640 Pro Series yesterday. Great little revolver. Mine is marked 640-1 on the frame inside the crane, has no lock, night sights, fluted barrel. I'm wondering if S&W has a bunch of previously produced 640-1 frames, and is using them to produce this series, or if these are new production? Anyway, haven't shot the gun yet but will remedy that tomorrow. Looks like it's going to be a great little gun, and probably a constant companion.
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I wondered about that myself. I imagine that they would only have to eliminate the machining operations for the lock to make a -1 frame, but I don't know for sure. Possibly they used up some old frames to test the market for this gun, but I'd be surprised if they were still using old frames.
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Look at the barrel on the Pro it is a custom proposition to the 640 Pro only!

I've had mine since first announced at SHOT show several years ago. Shoot Speer SB 357s in it and the Tritium sights are still bright.

Did add a Hogue Tamer grip to help with recoil but the only add on to the weapon!
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I bought a 640-1 Pro Series in early June 2016. I've shot it a good bit and am quite pleased with it. I own quite a few J-frames and pocket carry a M&P 340 with CTC grips all the time. I may add a Shield 9 or .45 or a M&P 9 Compact at times, but I never leave the 340 at home. Never. To me the 640 PS is a bit heavy for pocket carry. I have yet to be able to find a suitable OWB holster for the 640 PS. What are you guys using for yours? Thank you in advance for your recommendations.
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I agree that the 640 is too heavy for pocket carry. I carry mine in a Galco ankle glove.
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Thanks Packard, that is a nice looking holster. Wish I could wear one, but I'm over 60 with sciatica. I am no longer able to wear an ankle holster. IWBs are a no go, except for very short periods of time, for the same reason. I'm limited to OWB holsters.
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What is the barrel length of the 640 pro? I have a no dash 649 and wondering if the pro will ride in the same simply rugged owb belt holster. Thanks for any info provided.
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I had Mark at Lobo Gun Leather make me an Enhanced Pancake for mine.

Very nice and pulls in close to the body.
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Thanks Packard, that is a nice looking holster. Wish I could wear one, but I'm over 60 with sciatica. I am no longer able to wear an ankle holster. IWBs are a no go, except for very short periods of time, for the same reason. I'm limited to OWB holsters.
I'm 68 and I only reach for the ankle holster when I'm seated; for all other situations I have a medium frame .357 in a pancake which is convenient when standing but nearly useless when seated , especially when belted in the car.

So the answer is two guns.
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What is the barrel length of the 640 pro? I have a no dash 649 and wondering if the pro will ride in the same simply rugged owb belt holster. Thanks for any info provided.
Barrel length is 2-1/8".
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I'm 68 and I only reach for the ankle holster when I'm seated; for all other situations I have a medium frame .357 in a pancake which is convenient when standing but nearly useless when seated , especially when belted in the car.

So the answer is two guns.
I'm 63 and know exactly what you mean. I agree with you, two guns is the solution. I have Rusty Sherrick making me a crossdraw holster for my 340 to use when belted into the SUV. It should be delivered within the next week or two. If I like it I may have him make me one for my 640 PS. But I'd still like to have a strong side OWB holster for the 640 PS. I've been looking at the Milt Sparks PMK. I may call them tomorrow to ask if they can make one for the 640 PS.
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I have a Simply Rugged holster for my 686 Pro and one for my snubbies. It is open at the bottom but my 640 Pro does not protrude. They are my favorite belt holsters. They hug the body, they're comfortable, hold the gun secure and they are fast to access. I've probably spent a small fortune on holsters over the years but these are my absolute favorite.
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I had Mark at Lobo Gun Leather make me an Enhanced Pancake for mine.

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