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Old 05-28-2012, 04:55 AM
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Looking to buy a pre-lock and pre MIM parts 686. Which is considered the best model before they went to the lock, MIM parts and the firing pin in frame?
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the S&W model 686 is one fine .357 magnum revolver. any of the prelock generation, in good condition, at the right price will be a good choice.

here are the changes of the various generations.....

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The 686 was introduced in the 1980 as the S&W Model 686 Distinguished Combat Magnum Stainless. It featured flash-chromed, forged hammer and trigger, and had a 6-shot cylinder.

-1 (1986): radius stud package, introduction of the floating hand.

The "M" recall (1987) for the no-dash and -1 guns was to fit a new hammer nose and firing pin bushing to deal with certain brands of ammo causing (potentially fatal) binding when fired.

-2 (1987) incorporated the "M" recall features as standard production.

-3 (1988) floating hand deleted, new yoke retention system

-4 (1993, apparently the most desirable) included a drilled-and-tapped frame, the introduction of the "+" model with 7 shots, flash-chromed hammer/trigger deleted (case-hardened only), new extractor, start shipping with round-butt frame only (no square-butt)

-5 (1997) change to MIM hammer and trigger and frame-mounted firing pin, as well as the frame lug being machined as part of the frame (prior to this it was a separate part, fitted to and pressed into the frame).

-6 (2001, current production) has The Lock

before purchasing any hand gun, make sure you check or have the seller:.. advise the condition of: 1. bore 2. lock up 3. timing 4. forcing cone 5. area above forcing cone (flame cutting) 6. extractor rod 7. firing pin... Any rust and/or pitting on the frame, cylinder, bore, under the grips?... Any frame damage?
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vytoland - Thank you very much for your time and the VERY helpful information. I am not going to bid on the no dash model and wait for the proper updated models. i think you just saved me a lot of grief-thanks.

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I've owned several no dash 686s, currently I have 3 of them. Some of them I've owned did not had the modification done, you can tell because when this update was done (factory or authorized service center) there was/is an M stamped inside the crane area.
Most of the 686s you'll see will have the M, and you're passing up on some mighty fine revolvers if you're excluding the no dash guns from your search. Just make sure there is an M stamped inside the crane and you're good to go.
I wouldn't pass on any 686 just because it is a no dash. Those I've shot that did not have the modification shot just fine, no problems. Never personally met anyone who had a problem with one.
Also they will still do this update, for nothing, if you have some place nearby that is an authorized repair/service center. At this point it might take a smith a few days to get the part needed to do the work.
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There really is no good reason to eliminate the M686 no dash from your search. Price should be the determining factor, not whether or not it has been returned to the factory for the recall work. I have two M586's and a M686 all without the "M" stamp. Never given me a moments problem. However, I do not carry these guns as a part of my job. If you were to find a nice price M686 with out the "M" stamp, S&W will send you a shipping label, and properly take care of the issue. Let the price decide whether to buy or not regardless of the dash number.
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The "M" is what got me out of a no-dash. I sent mine home for the bushing and firing pin update and when I got it back....it looked like the janitor had performed the upgrades. (Not meant as an insult to house-service personnel.). Point being...a good gunsmith can drive-out the bushing and replace it with skill to make it look like a professional job. Others on the forum here debate the value and risk of sending the gun home for the upgrade. My no-dash found a new home and I have the dash-4....which as has been mentioned, seems to be considered as the most desirable example. I would purchase another no-dash if one comes-by for a fair price, but I would also look at the upgraded bushing closely if it has the "M" modification. If you find one that you can hardly tell it has ever been changed, you have found one in which somebody took the time to do it right.

My upgrade resulted in a ridge of metal around the bushing that made it appear as if they wedged an empty beer-can between the bushing and the frame.

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The biggest problem I would see with buying an older 686 is that they don't make them like they used to, and once you get one you're going to want more.
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I'm sorry to hear of snubbie's experience with the "M" update. I have two 6" no-dash 686s, one that had the update and one that didn't. That update really is meaningless to me because I don't shoot hot .357s - my hunting revolvers are 629s.

I have two 686-4s, a very nice 4" gun that is all-original and was only shot to sight it in and an unfired 6" PowerPort. While I like them, I much prefer square-butt guns and don't even try to buy -4s or newer. Don't forget, none of those "pre-upgrade" dash versions were bad guns. Those upgrades don't do much if anything to improve accuracy and the earlier 686s never were undependable in any way unless you fed some real fire-breathin' fodder to a no-dash gun.

As others have pointed out, there is no reason to avoid no-dash 686s. Smith & Wesson learned a lot about reliability from their K-frames and that is what gave birth to the L-frame idea in the first place.

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The fact of the matter is that all no dash 686's had the problem that started the recall. I've owned 3 and still have one that wasn't ever sent in and none of them had the problem that caused the recall. If it does have the problem S&W will still fix it under the recall and they don't mess up every gun sent in for work as I've seen lots of them with the M that looked great.
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If memory serves me, I believe the problem was pretty much ammunition related. I believe Federal Brand 357 Magnum ammo had soft primers flowing back into the Firing Pin Bushing locking the guns up.

Federal primers are well known to reloaders as having soft easy to ignite primers. Normally this is a good thing when you are running a match revolver with a really good DA trigger pull shooting 38 Specials.

If you are running 357 Magnum ammo with harder primers I doubt you ever have a problem with an unmodified gun. I have had my current 686-1 for over 20 years. It is the wifes house gun. I am not sure I have ever fired a 357 Magnum round in it. Mine is M Stamped by the way.

I would not worry to much about the Dash, Find one you like, and buy it. I have even considered a NEW 3" 686 Plus as a carry gun.

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Just bought a no-dash 681 and am as pleased as I can be, even though mine has not had the modification. I knew this going into the transaction and am still mulling over whether or not to send it back for the work, but am mostly leaning against it, for the reasons above.

If another 681 or 686 in good condition and priced fairly happens by, with or without the "M", I'll be looking.

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I totally agree that not all the ones sent-in looked bad at all. I have seen several that I would not mind owning and in a stainless gun, the replacement issue is not all that noticeable. The guys with the 586's in blue or nickel are the ones that have serious reservations. I just received what I deemed a ******-job...some look much better than others and I've seen quite a few. I had a conversation with a contracted gun smith that sent me pictures of some he had done for S&W as they out-sourced some of this work. His job....I would take, but one of the "rookies" on the line at Smith performed mine.

As far as being careful about what you shoot, I totally agree that if all you shoot is 38-special, or heavy standard 357 magnum, you're likely to never have a problem. I just won't own a gun that is ammo sensitive, known bad ammo notwithstanding. I think if it's chambered for 357....it ought to safely shoot ANY 357 round off the shelf that meets SAAMI specs. Just a head-thing I guess. There are some actual testimonials here on the forum in a few posts here-n-there that have reported the primer-flow problem locking-up the gun.

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I see buying a no dash no m stamped gun as a positive. it earns a free trip back to the factory and while there you can have custom work done.
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I see buying a no dash no m stamped gun as a positive. it earns a free trip back to the factory and while there you can have custom work done.
^ This...

You really cant go wrong with any of the 586/686's until the -5 when they started getting cheap (MIM)
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There are very good reasons for not getting a no-dash 686.

1. If you, understandably, do not care about the dash changes you can possibly save yourself some money and buy a cheaper one. You could also possibly save some time, too, by not being picky.

2. If you want to replace the front sight it's integral to the frame and will be costly to replace, and far fewer are capable of doing this themselves.

3. If you want a round butt grip you're out of luck. If you all ready have conversion grips you want use you're out of luck.

4. Mounting optics will be more costly and more time consuming. It may also lower the value of your gun.

5. It may be unsafe without the "M".

6. If you want a Plus model you can't have a no-dash or a few others.

7. No lifetime warranty. Buying used you're technically not covered by any warranty. However, anecdotally, S&W appears to apply warranty coverage - to those guns that had the lifetime warranty - regardless of first owner or not. Which can provide value.

#2 is a deal breaker for me, although I'd likely be able to make a trade for one with a pinned sight.
#1 isn't necessarily a deal breaker, but for me and my usage I have no reasons to pay more for something that doesn't provide more value to me.

Contrary to the every-older-Smith-&-Wesson-is-a-better-Smith-&-Wesson rote opinion this absolutely is not true. Like so many things involving gun purchases *your intended use* is the biggest factor.

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I carried a 686 in the mid eighties and never had an issue. I recently traded for a 686-4 2 1/2 inch and it is fast becoming my favorite all around gun. I can't imagine a downside to a 686. Except the price creep. One of the best. Your safe needs one.
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My 4" 686 no dash (M stamped) has been a flawless and highly accurate revolver. I love it.
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I bought my 686 in 1980. The only drawback is as stated by gr7070, you are stuck with the RR front sight. If you don't mind the RR, go for it.
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My no dash 686 has never given me a moments problem either. I have not had the modification done and I shoot some pretty hot handloads without problem.
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skeete, As others have suggested mo reason to overlook a good deal on a no dash 686, the problems that caused the recall was limited to revolvers that had lots of .357 magnum ammo run through them in one range session and was not cleaned between shooting.
I have a 586 no dash, which is the carbon steel twin to the 686, it has not been modified, I've never had any problems with it. I trust it so much it's one of my ready revolvers for home and self defense.
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The only drawback is as stated by gr7070, you are stuck with the RR front sight. If you don't mind the RR, go for it.


Not necessarily. The 6" 686 on the middle right in the photo above is a no-dash gun. I had several others like it with the RR/WO sight package but prefer a black Patridge and plain black rear sight blade for target work, which was the intended purpose of this gun, so I kept looking until I found a nice one with those sights. There don't seem to be many of them out there but I see one now and then.

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Looking to buy a pre-lock and pre MIM parts 686. Which is considered the best model before they went to the lock, MIM parts and the firing pin in frame?
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I have two no-dash 686s. they are fantastic revolvers. I sent one in for the "M" recall, because it is carried for self defense. The other is a range revolver, and is unmodified. I've had absolutely no problems with either.......
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I'll stretch a little bit and say the no-dashes did not have the radius stud package and hand upgrade, which are perceived as good improvements. However...I don't know of anybody that has broken a trigger or hammer stud, so it must not be a serious problem with the 357 magnum. These improvements came along to strengthen the studs that were breaking on the 44 magnums. The radius stud package came along on the dash 1....according to my notes.
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As I see it, the only problem with the no dash 686 is that I don't have one. They are fine revolvers, so get you one.
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Don't pass up on a no-dash if the $ is right or you're missing something sweet. I got mine out the door for $399 in wonderful shape. I sure had rather spend 4 bills for a no-dash than 7 for a new one.
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I might be wrong but didn't that hand "upgrade" go away with -3?

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Might have Ed. All I see in my notes was the implementation in the dash 1. I really would not be too concerned over not having the upgraded stud or the revised hand system. I believe those improvements were made to all the revolvers after they made the change to fix the problems with the heavy magnums shooting open and breaking studs. Smiths worked just fine for all the years before the radius stud package and as far as I understand, it was done to "hold" the heavy magnums together in the first place.

I had the opportunity to swap my ND 6-inch for a dash 4 four-inch and jumped on it. Being a little disenchanted with the bushing replacement job made that a lot easier.

I certainly do not poo-poo the ND and there are many folks still shooting them without the bushing upgrade and there are still many folks that won't send them home for fear of getting a safe-queen marred or mistreated. Likely...if my 6-inch ND had been a 4-inch ND I would still have it.

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I MUST agree, Sailfish. Here's my no-dash 2 1/2" after a free trip back to the factory. BTW--despite paperwork indicating the modification was done, there is NO "M" STAMP....
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I have a M stamped 586 no dash. FWIW, they did a great job. My 686 no dash has not had the mod. I don't carry it but wouldn't hesitate to do so if necessary. I've shot hunfreds and hundreds of high power reloads and factory rounds with no problems at all.

Maybe it would be a good idea to tell the forum about all 686 no dash found that are passed upon. We might want to give them a look.
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Never heard of a bad 686 regardless of dash, no dash, lock or no lock.
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Never heard of a bad 686 regardless of dash, no dash, lock or no lock.
I'm thinking the same thing. I have two 696 guns, one a with a lock and one without. The gun with the lock has a smoother trigger. It's the one I shoot. This MIM/lock thing is blown out of proportion, but as always, it's your money. Jim
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I have been shooting the absolute **** out of this one,no dash, no M stamp, and at least 1000 rounds of 357 with no problems. I would not pass up a no dash 686.

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I have a 1986 no dash 686 with a 6" barrel. I wanted to comment on the M modification and my experience. If you are a reloader, I think you may have a better chance of experiencing the problem because I did. My experience is that magnum loads and standard primers (usually called for with powders such as Blue Dot and 2400), then the flowback has a good chance of occuring (at least with my 686). I never experienced it with factory loads. I had the M modification done and never had a problem with a reload since.
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I have the 586 no dash "M" stamped with ZERO issues. I prefer the older ones anyhow. How much are they asking for the no dash? If the gun is taken care of and not beat on, the price is within reason, I would get it. The 586/686 is one of the best revolvers Smith makes.

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The "M" recall (1987) for the no-dash and -1 guns was to fit a new hammer nose and firing pin bushing to deal with certain brands of ammo causing (potentially fatal) binding when fired.
What makes this binding "potentially fatal"? Is this in the case of a failure during personal defense? I know someone with a -1 model and I'm curious. Thanks!
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What makes this binding "potentially fatal"? Is this in the case of a failure during personal defense? I know someone with a -1 model and I'm curious. Thanks!
YES ! ! ! If the revolver in question is merely a rage gun, there is no need to modify it until it fails---WHICH MAY NEVER OCCUR...........
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I have a 586 no dash. Not modified. If you don't run into the recall issue, then don't fix it. At first I thought that I would send it. (got it a few months ago) Asked myself why? If you are going to use it for self defense, then think harder about sending it. I have other stuff, and don't need that 1 for S.D. purpose. My L Frame trigger is magical. Bob
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I bought my 686 in 1980. The only drawback is as stated by gr7070, you are stuck with the RR front sight. If you don't mind the RR, go for it.
The front sight on my no-dash 686 is pinned.
WTA: Oh, and it is "M" stamped. It looks really good. You wouldn't even be able to tell it was modified unless you looked for the M.

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The only real drawback is that you will eventually start buying more S&W revolvers.
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Bonjour les amis,
mon fils a un 686 sans tiret et je viens de prendre un taurus 627
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vytoland - Thank you very much for your time and the VERY helpful information. I am not going to bid on the no dash model and wait for the proper updated models. i think you just saved me a lot of grief-thanks.

This is a great forum and with great members!
I wouldn't worry about buying a no-dash 686, I have one and it has the "M" stamp denoting it has the recall work. Most 686s aren't affected and don't need the recall work done. It was mainly from on brand/weight ammo.
I'd get that 686!
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I bought my 686 in 1980. The only drawback is as stated by gr7070, you are stuck with the RR front sight. If you don't mind the RR, go for it.
My no-dash 686 has a pinned front sight.
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My no dash 686 has a permanent front sight and is probably my favorite revolver put of the group, cant go wrong there
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The only downside I can think of is that I don’t have the cash to buy one.
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I think any 686 in good condition will serve you well. I have a 686+ with a four inch barrel and lock and all that does everything asked of it just fine.
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I MUST agree, Sailfish. Here's my no-dash 2 1/2" after a free trip back to the factory. BTW--despite paperwork indicating the modification was done, there is NO "M" STAMP....

I'm certainly not a 686 historian, but a 7-shot no dash??
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"Dashes,,,,,We don't need no stinkin' dashes. We don't need to show you no stinkin' dashes" My sincere apologies for butchering a classic movie line,,,,,

Anything "L" frame, anytime,,,, but these "no dashes" started it.

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It is negative for you to buy a 686 no dash as it is one less for me to get.
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