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Old 01-14-2013, 05:43 PM
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I really like and have used the shotgun pistol the last few years. I have killed large farm animals to small game and several in between. I like the versatility and use it often as a trail gun. The shotgun pistol is like fire,...scary at first to those who dont understand it but incredibly useful when you learn how to use it correctly. My dealer finally got in a few Governors and I saw the perfect chance to trade in my Taurus Public Defender on the much better built Governor. The Taurus was nice but lacked the feel and fit and finish of the S&W. There is just no denying the better build quality so I finally got rid of my last Taurus that was hanging around..


A few comparisons I noticed was the weight was almost exactly the same but the S&W can shoot 6 rounds over the 5 in the Public Defender. The Gov is a bit bigger but not enough to change the carry modes I use. The tritium sight is clean, fast and effective. The new S&W grips are outstanding and I loved them on my 629 so I was thrilled they came on the Gov. Trigger pull was crisp and clean. Cylinder gap was tight and lock-up was typical S&W.


Accuracy was mind blowing........... I can easily shoot 45lc Silver Tips in a 1" group at 20 yards point of aim was dead balls on and I wouldn't hesitate taking a head shot at 20 yards. I couldn't ask for more with a 6" 686. I am simple amazed. Don't be surprised if you see me take a whitetail with this next year with appropriate 45lc. Federal 000buck prints a tighter pattern in the Gov than the Judge. Think tennis ball size at 10 yards. Point of aim was the same as the 45lc so it was dead nuts perfect. I didn't get a chance to shoot 45acp with the moon clips and to be honest, the 45lc were so good, I may not ever carry it with 45acp. Overall the gun carries easy in my shoulder rig and in its Desantis leather holster. Taurus may have brought it to the market first, but S&W perfected it. It is a mean looking sidearm with the power and precision to back it up. I should have fired the Judge sooner.





Here are some carry options I am using. DeSantis is the leader in leather holsters for the Governor and makes the S&W brand holsters you buy on the S&W site. I love a good leather shoulder holster and DeSantis makes a good one. It is called the NY Undercover specifically for the S&W Gov.

High quality leather and superb fit and finish. The Governor is not a heavy gun but I carried it for 8 hours in the woods and never felt the gun.

I was on my ATV today and totally forgot I was wearing my Gov. It has a ammo holding system that will hold 6 rounds either 45lc/45acp or shot shells or a mix of the two. I can easily conceal the Gov under a light sweat jacket without any printing.


Next is the DeSantis Scabbard hip holster.
This is a neat design because it is molded around the entire gun protecting it in the brush. It retains the gun very well without any straps in a fishmouth opening. It carries high enough for concealed carry and is molded to every curve of the gun.



There are some nylon options but they are more designed for a medium size revolver. I had a few that worked but nothing beats a specifically designed high quality leather rig.

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Nice review
I am waiting for mine to be delivered to my dealer. Since I load for both the 45 acp and the 45 Colt I have a question.
Have you ever chronographed a 45 Colt? Any idea if they can be loaded a little hotter towards what a Ruger can digest?
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Congrats on the Gov. You are in for a real treat.
I haven't chronographed my 45lc. I have been using Winchester 225 SilverTips. When I shot them into wet news paper out of my old Judge, they opened up huge with excelent penetration. I dont know if the 45lc with a good bullet needs to be loaded up in this gun. I have no doubt a honest 45lc would work for deer and woods duty. The recoil from the 45lc Silvertips were mild. I found it easily to dump a entire cylinder and keep on target. A alloy frame might be better to not go into the +p range. I think once you shoot it and see the firepower, you will know what I mean. My favorite combo is Fedral 000 buck and 45lc ST every other round. I am very surprise how tight the Federal 000 buck pattern was compared to my old Public Defender. The barrels were about the same length but the pattern was twice as tight out of the Gov. At 15 yards the pattern was the size of a softball. This would be my survival game getting round. Think of it as a 9mm 7" circle of death. Last year, I put down a hog on the farm with a Fedral 000buck from 8 feet to the back of the skull and it looked as if I hit the hog with a sledge hammer. The Gov should be devastating.

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Agreed. I own one and it's like going from coach (judge) to first class (Governor). Build quality is so much better in the Smith. Also it shoots a 2.5 inch shell versus the Judges 3 inch so you save a half inch just on the chamber.
I got Galco holster and you wouldn't be able to notice that I had it on me. It's molded to it like a second skin. I love your review and wished they was more comments from actual owners. Most of the nay sayers don't own one or fired one speak the loudest lol.
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Wish I had not read this. Now I want to go get one.
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Its just a matter of when you buy one...
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Its kinda like the bumper sticker sticker that says "If you can read this...." or the fortune cookie that reads "that wasn't chicken....."

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Great revolver,45 apc's are pretty accurate also
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There's nothing like the infectious enthusiasm of a man with a new gun! Your review was a pleasure to read. Many long years of enjoyment to you both!
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When the Governor was initially released there were a lot of naysayers even here on the S&W Forum. However most naysayers once they got a chance to actually shoot one, most changed their opinion. You made a great choice and if your marksmanship skills match your photographic skills I'm impressed.
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Thank you,.... I am actually a much better shot than photographer..... (just kidding)
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You made a great choice and if your marksmanship skills match your photographic skills I'm impressed.


I have no doubts I could take a deer with the Gov with the appropriate 45LC at 50yards or closer. I am going to do it this upcoming fall. I am already working on the reload/bullet combo. A Hornady 250XTP bullet only needs to go 800fps to open up reliably. That is do able in the Gov.

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Wish I had not read this. Now I want to go get one.
No you don't. You don't want to waste your $ on a toy that will get you laughed at by experienced shooters. What you really want to do is buy a real firearm instead.
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It's funny when this experienced shooter can out shoot the "experienced shooter" that would dare pop off at the range with my toy gun...My consolidating comment to the closed minded would be..."think of the Gov as a nice 45lc revolver that happens to shoot 410 and 45acp shells. All razzing aside, its one of the most accurate revolvers of its size.


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The Mystro, Great Review

This is not a firearm that I personally am interested in but to each his own.
You done a first class review of something that you use and works for you! I wish all reviews were done from this viewpoint. Thanks for including your actual experiences with the Governor.
I too share your impressions of Smith vs Taurus, I ain't knocking a taurus but in my opinion everything smith does that taurus does there is no comparison to the QUALITY feel, fit , looks, function, etc. of the Smith's
Good Luck with getting your whitetail with your Governor, there is no reason you cant do it. Please be sure and report to us here when you do.
Once again, thanks for a good read with good pics! Joey S aka 308
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Thank you for a first-rate review accompanied by outstanding photography.

I've wanted one of these since they first came out, mostly for the versatility but also for the Governor's unparalleled ability to annoy old grumps.

I haven't even seen one in person yet - but hope springs eternal.
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Thank you...... Guns are like tools in the toolbox for me. I was skeptical of the shotpistol when it first came out but it looked cool and wasn't expensive so I bought a Judge Public Defender and use it in the woods and around the farm and i was blow away by the versatility. The concept was great but the pistol lacked the quality and fit and finish i come to expect. These are very popular in my rural part of the country so when the Gov came out, it took a long time for me to even handle one, as soon as i did, the Taurus felt like a second class handgun in comparison. As soon as my dealer got a few Governors, i had to trade up. Much to my surprise, the Gov, exceeded the capabilities of the the shot pistol i was accustom with for he last few years. Accuracy when from good enough, to sharp shooting status. Smith and Wesson has never let me down. I try to be open minded and try other brands if they have a different take on a particular caliber but they still never get everything right like S&W does. If S&W makes it, then it is a important caliber and gun.


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The Mystro, Great Review

This is not a firearm that I personally am interested in but to each his own.
You done a first class review of something that you use and works for you! I wish all reviews were done from this viewpoint. Thanks for including your actual experiences with the Governor.
I too share your impressions of Smith vs Taurus, I ain't knocking a taurus but in my opinion everything smith does that taurus does there is no comparison to the QUALITY feel, fit , looks, function, etc. of the Smith's
Good Luck with getting your whitetail with your Governor, there is no reason you cant do it. Please be sure and report to us here when you do.
Once again, thanks for a good read with good pics! Joey S aka 308

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I agree that when the Gov, as well as the Taurus versions came out I didn't see the need. As a police officer of 27 years now retired, I teach lots of CWP and NRA classes. After many students asked about my opinion of the concept, I bought the Gov after it came out for the classes. Glad I did. I always wanted a S&W 45ACP revolver and this gave me a multi caliber handgun. I've shot it many times and feel that for inside the home with no kids around there is no better defense handgun. I settled with the Federal Personal Defense .410 000buck. It's cheaper than the Winchester PDX and for me it patterns better. I think the 8 shot in the PDX is silly anyway. I carry it around my farm for copperheads and other vermin. I would not carry it in public for defense with buckshot, and would prefer my 1911 for a 45 ACP platform. But for what I see its purpose as it it surpasses many other handguns.
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Excellent perspective from a man who uses the gun as a tool for farm and field and not just a plinker or range gun.

Outstanding!
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I have a friend who owns a Governor, and he asked me if he can shoot a +P 45 long colt. Or a hot reload? I told him that I would ask you people on this great site. Can the cylinder handle the pressure? I read somewhere that you can load a 45 long colt hotter than a 44 mag. Is this true?
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Its just a matter of when you buy one...
Delightful review. And that picture is just wild! I would very much consider having the same or a similar little message engraved/stamped/lasered onto the muzzle of one of my handguns. Who did the work for you?
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I've not had much attraction to these platforms since introduction... but must admit, your post got my attention as well! I think I might just have to check one of these out. I sure love .45 Colt (and reload for it), and with .410 000Buck capability added in, the Gov sure is dang cool. Thanks for the post!
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It's just digital trickery.
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Delightful review. And that picture is just wild! I would very much consider having the same or a similar little message engraved/stamped/lasered onto the muzzle of one of my handguns. Who did the work for you?
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Great thread, except for the naysayers. I’ve had my Gov for almost a year, and even installed Bullseye’s plug. I too have found the accuracy to be as good as my skills, and it now is my HD handgun.
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I would not shoot +P 45lc in it. It doesnt need it and a standard 45LC is plenty for personal protection and deer hunting/trail use.

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No you don't. You don't want to waste your $ on a toy that will get you laughed at by experienced shooters. What you really want to do is buy a real firearm instead.
I bought one. But by your standards am lacking experience since I bought my first 44 mag in 1975 and have killed critters as big as Alaskan moose with revolvers. I think you are showing your ignorance by claiming something is a waste for others just because you don't see a need or want for it. Afterall, it is not your money is it? Ever hear of freedom of choice?
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I bought one. But by your standards am lacking experience since I bought my first 44 mag in 1975 and have killed critters as big as Alaskan moose with revolvers. I think you are showing your ignorance by claiming something is a waste for others just because you don't see a need or want for it. Afterall, it is not your money is it? Ever hear of freedom of choice?
Not knocking freedom of choice at all. Just hate to see the ignorant waste their money. I think the mature and experienced have an obligation to help out the noobs that way. Have a nice day!
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LOL ....Wow, how very unnessisary to make such assumtions . And what makes you believe you have more experience than myself or others? You have no idea who you are addressing or their experience level. It's obvious by your past post that you go out of your way to talk smack about the Governor. Please dont feel obligated to give unsolicited advise or make assumptions about others experience levels.

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Just hate to see the ignorant...
Me too. That's why I just realized the value of the Ignore List, no more ignorant DLA. My one and only entry in the list.
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O.K Back to the Awesome Smith and Wesson Governor.
Here are some carry options I am using. DeSantis is the leader in leather holsters for the Governor and makes the S&W brand holsters you buy on the S&W site. I love a good leather shoulder holster and DeSantis makes a good one. It is called the NY Undercover specifically for the S&W Gov.

High quality leather and superb fit and finish. The Governor is not a heavy gun but I carried it for 8 hours in the woods and never felt the gun.

I was on my ATV today and totally forgot I was wearing my Gov. It has a ammo holding system that will hold 6 rounds either 45lc/45acp or shot shells or a mix of the two. I can easily conceal the Gov under a light sweat jacket without any printing.


Next is the DeSantis Scabbard hip holster.
This is a neat design because it is molded around the entire gun protecting it in the brush. It retains the gun very well without any straps in a fishmouth opening. It carries high enough for concealed carry and is molded to every curve of the gun.



There are some nylon options but they are more designed for a medium size revolver. I had a few that worked but nothing beats a specifically designed high quality leather rig.

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Not knocking freedom of choice at all. Just hate to see the ignorant waste their money. I think the mature and experienced have an obligation to help out the noobs that way. Have a nice day!
I'll be glad to help you then since I am experienced and mature. Stay out of a conversation where you have nothing positive to add and avoid saying anything negative since you obviously do not own a Governor and have no experience with them.

Thanks for posting the information about holsters. I will need one soon.

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I should hope that this is a photo shop job and somebody really didn't mis-spell "You Are" with "Your."
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We just got home from vacation and I finally got a chance to pick up my Governor. All I can say is "WOW". It has the smoothest single and double action trigger pull of any revolver I've ever owned, period.
Not sure of the # pull for DA but there is not a hint of creep on single action and the trigger pull can't be more than about 2 1/4 pounds. Will take it to the range soon.
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What size grip frame are these comparable to, K/L or N?
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They are a Z frame. I would say kinda like a elongated N frame.

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Congrats.. I told you it was outstanding.. Try the Winchester 225jhp Silver Tips. They are tack drivers though my gun. I did pick up a box of Winchester PDX1 225jhp to test as well. They look very similar to the Silver Tips so I would bet they will be very accurate as well. I will report back. Have fun with your new hand cannon.

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We just got home from vacation and I finally got a chance to pick up my Governor. All I can say is "WOW". It has the smoothest single and double action trigger pull of any revolver I've ever owned, period.
Not sure of the # pull for DA but there is not a hint of creep on single action and the trigger pull can't be more than about 2 1/4 pounds. Will take it to the range soon.

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The naysayers are awesome. Which, by the way, are also the "experienced shooters". Wow.

Can I see your credentials?

Look, the gov is a great shooting gun. I have it sighted at 30 ft. Great grouping. I am shooting LC but plan to try the acp.
This is a more than adequate hd weapon.

Great review. I love mine.



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What I meant on frame size was in regards to trigger reach and hand size. I find the N frame too large but the K/L fits me perfect. The X frame uses K/L grips; what does the Z use?
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What I meant on frame size was in regards to trigger reach and hand size. I find the N frame too large but the K/L fits me perfect. The X frame uses K/L grips; what does the Z use?
CP, the Governor uses the K/L Frame stocks / grips.
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I agree. The reach is like a K frame.
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Anybody had the chance to use the Governor on a snake with 410? How did it work?

I remember reading the reviews when the Judge came out. The balistics weren't impressive for 410. Was wondering how the Governor does. Also taken into consideration when the Judge first came out there weren't any 410loads just for a pistol.
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Wonderful review. I hadent even considered one before. Now my gears are turning.
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I took my new Governor to the range today and fired .410, .45 Colt and .45 ACP. After a box of .410 I was noticing the recoil some. The .45 Colt (just had a few HPs) was accurate and much milder recoil. The best tho' was the .45 ACP - very light recoil and outstanding accuracy. The .410 I shot was #4's and 6's and no snake would have survived any one of the shots. Mine's to be used as a camp/kayak gun in snake territory so I doubt I'll ever buy personal defense .410 loads for it. It's a fun gun!
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I am curious. If S&W can make this gun work with .410, 45 acp, and 45 Colt, why not a regular N frame (625, for example) that can handle 45 Colt and 45 ACP?
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That is a beautiful piece of work. Though Taurus is making good guns these days it isn't an S&W. I looked at them before going for broke and getting my 686. And about those large farm animals...????
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Years back I purchased #9 shot for snakes. It would work but there is no reason not to just buy #4 shot and use it for small game and snakes. #4 shot will turn snakes into a mist. It would also jack up a charging dog. Federal 000buck designed for the shot pistol will impress you how tight and accurate all 4 rounds hit at 10 yards. It would also make a good hunting round for mid size game in a survival situation.

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Years back I purchased #9 shot for snakes. It would work but there is no reason not to just buy #4 shot and use it for small game and snakes. #4 shot will turn snakes into a mist. It would also jack up a charging dog. Federal 000buck designed for the shot pistol will impress you how tight and accurate all 4 rounds hit at 10 yards. It would also make a good hunting round for mid size game in a survival situation.
Just curious, do you have any photos or test data to back up any of your claims?

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Years back I purchased #9 shot for snakes. It would work but there is no reason not to just buy #4 shot and use it for small game and snakes. #4 shot will turn snakes into a mist. It would also jack up a charging dog. Federal 000buck designed for the shot pistol will impress you how tight and accurate all 4 rounds hit at 10 yards. It would also make a good hunting round for mid size game in a survival situation.
I wasn't going to get involved in this thread, but having experience with both,
The Judge & The Governor, I feel that I should say something because
my experience is vastly different than the above quote.

I've shared it (experience) more than a few times before, so, instead of repeating it,
here's one of the previous threads. Since those posts I have used The Governor,
with 000 Buck, and came to the conclusion that the .410 rounds are not for me.

LINK >> The Governor with 410 loads

One other thing I should mention. This past Christmas, my son-in-law & I were talking and
it came up that he also had a Judge he had purchased specifically for small game hunting.
When I asked how the .410's had performed for him, he said, "I didn't get that far."

He explained that while trying out the gun that he was lucky to get one, maybe two,
pellets in a pop can at 30 feet with #4's. He sold it after that first range session.

Currently, when I do rely on The Governor for critter duty, I rely on MagSafe rounds in either
.45 acp or .45 Colt. I'm finding the MagSafe extremely effective in .32 H&R Magnum so
am sure that the bigger .45's should be at least equally effective, if not more so.
When I say effective, I mean on real critters, not paper.
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Just curious, do you have any photos or test data to back up any of your claims?

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I am not sure why the perormance is so much better with my Governor over my old Judge Public Defender??? The barrel length is close to the same. The shorter the barrel the better with the shot gun rounds. S&W seems to have done somthing different beside a better quality gun all around.
I found the accuracy wasnt even close between my Public Defender and Governor(judge was o.k but the Gov is a tack driver).
The shot pattern was a big difference between the two guns being twice as tight out of the Gov than Judge.
I have killed gray squirrels with #4 with my Judge at 20 feet with one shot. The shot pattern is twice as tight with the Governor but my favorite shot shell is he Federal 000 personal defensive round. It's a 4" circle of death at 20yards.
I am a long distance pistol shooter. I would love to see Hickok45 get his hands on a Governor. I guarantee he would hit the 200 yard gong every time.

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