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Hi all I looking for my next gun of course I am in a toss up. I am looking for a pocket pistol for summer time. I bought a S&W Shield 9mm and had it for about 30 seconds then my better half confiscated it and now I just longingly get to look at it in her purse.

I am in between another shield 40 cal or a 340PD or 360 something I can toss in my pocket. I have a Chiappa 200DS I like but its no Smith.

I dont want a 380 kel tec or anything like that.
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Hi all I looking for my next gun of course I am in a toss up. I am looking for a pocket pistol for summer time. I bought a S&W Shield 9mm and had it for about 30 seconds then my better half confiscated it and now I just longingly get to look at it in her purse.

I am in between another shield 40 cal or a 340PD or 360 something I can toss in my pocket. I have a Chiappa 200DS I like but its no Smith.

I dont want a 380 kel tec or anything like that.
Shield is about as good as it gets. Remember, the bigger the caliber, the weight of the ammo starts to make pocket carry a problem. This is especially pronounced in a .45 ACP.
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I would say that the SW 360 is about as light as it gets with about as big a punch as it gets.
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I do like the fact you can practice with 38's carry the magnums I liked the shield but to slip in the jeans pocket to run down to the store is do able but just a tad on the long side. Would the J frame contour to the body a bit better shorter overall length and grip then the shield I have never seen a 340pd or 360 in person and in that context which would be better the 340 or 360....I am also considering the PPS.
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Actually, if you go by the name of your thread "the LIGHTEST weight most easily concealed pocket pistol" try the NAA 22lr/22Mag mini revolvers. mine is 7 oz. loaded and can be carried in the shirt pocket. Best caliber, no, but beats a stick.
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My 340PD weighs 15 oz loaded in an Uncle Mike's pocket liner... carrries threee 38+P's followed by two 357 full boats. Goes in front jeans pocket.
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Look for a 342 with a Scandium cylinder. Mine fully loaded in a Galco Ankle Lite holster weights 18.4 oz. I believe the gun empty is around 12oz.
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Hi all I looking for my next gun of course I am in a toss up. I am looking for a pocket pistol for summer time. I bought a S&W Shield 9mm and had it for about 30 seconds then my better half confiscated it and now I just longingly get to look at it in her purse.
The smallest light weight high quality pocket gun that I know of is the Seecamp SS .32 semi-automatic. It is so small it almost looks like a toy, but it is used by undercover agents and as a BUG. Seecamp is a small manufacturer and there is a waiting list to get his pistols.
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A Kahr PM9 is tough to beat for its size.

Mine has been flawless and is carried 95% of the time on a belt.
Forget it's there.

Normally don't pocket carry any of my guns.
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Thanks for the ideas and info guys. I guess I should clarify if I wanted to put the 340 or 360 in some shorts pockets and go to dinner would it be comfortable? I also dont have a j frame in the stable.... I am not big on the khar. Just looking for something light but can hit like the hammer of Thor if needed.

I cant find the shield in stock anywhere and though could wait i dont want to wait forever. I like the fact too I can shoot a revolver from inside a pocket.
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My 442 rides comfortably in my right front pocket when it's too hot out for a cover garment and an untucked shirt is too sloppy lookin'.
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Dinner in your shorts......OK...... I guess..........
NAA .22 Mag. Microscopic. Low mass. Insignificant weight. Enough power up close & personal. Underrated round.
You could probably carry it at the beach. As in shirtless & trunks. No one would be the wiser.
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At first the J frames feel huge in the front pocket. I use a sticky holster or a Mikas pocket holster. After a while it disapears and you do not even notice it. The cylinder choices are Stainless black, Bright stainless or Titanium in the PD. I advise against the Titanium to many potential problems if you screw up and clean it wrong or shoot alot. The extra 2 ounces with the stainless helps with recoil and bullet creep. I really cant tell the difference with the extra 2 ozs carrying.
If you have not shot these little guns yet the 360 with the external hammer will provide single action shooting at first that will help you get better control over the little dragon. After you become proficient with double action the 340 hammerless is better for preventing debris getting into the action in your pocket.

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A Kahr PM9 weighs 17 oz, about the same as a light weight J frame but with twice the power and half the felt recoil. There are smaller pistols in lesser calibers, but I wouldn't want them for self defense.
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How is a 9mm twice the power of a .38?
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SW 638 is always in the pocket or with in a foot, unless I am on a plane!! I prefer a bobbed hammer 44SPL, but as stated earlier the weight of the ammo becomes a problem- But the 200 gr Gold dot or silvertips look NICE. Be Safe,
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NAA .22 Mag. Microscopic. Low mass. Insignificant weight. Enough power up close & personal. Underrated round.
You could probably carry it at the beach. As in shirtless & trunks. No one would be the wiser.
I think my Baby Browning would conceal even better, has 2 more rounds, gives faster follow up shots, reloads MUCH faster and is remarkably accurate at social distances. It disappears in the pocket of a dress shirt and can get lost in a pocket that's much bigger. It's not a hammer of Thor, but if the 25 Auto was good enough for James Bond . . .
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At first the J frames feel huge in the front pocket. I use a sticky holster or a Mikas pocket holster. After a while it disapears and you do not even notice it. The cylinder choices are Stainless black, Bright stainless or Titanium in the PD. I advise against the Titanium to many potential problems if you screw up and clean it wrong or shoot alot. The extra 2 onces with the stainless helps with recoil and bullet creep. I really cant tell the difference with the extra 2 ozs carrying.
If you have not shot these little guns yet the 360 with the external hammer will provide single action shooting at first that will help you get better control over the little dragon. After you become proficient with double action the 340 hammerless is better for preventing debris getting into the action in your pocket.
I am a fan of the Ti cylinder and have owned more than one including a 329PD that has fired several hundred full power 44 mag loads with zero issues. Understand the properties of Ti and cleaning a Ti cylinder becomes a moot issue (a Ti cylinder is not a delicate item). I would like to see any documented/verifed issues with "shooting a lot" with a Ti cylinder. Another example of recycling internet garbage?

A 2 oz heavier revolver will have zero advantage in decreasing bullet creep. Elimating bullet creep is a result of using the proper factory ammo or proper reloading techniques.
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Well.... I've tried many of the guns mentioned. It all comes down to how you want to compromise and in what direction.

Ideal for CC is the perfect combination of size, weight, capacity and power. Problem is perfection doesn't exist. The Shield your wife absconded with is about as close as it gets in either 40 or 9mm. Another option with dimensions almost identical to the Shield but with more power is the Springfield XDs in 45 ACP (the Shield weighs 19oz, the XDs about an ounce and a half more). The problem today is they are equally difficult to find but worth the wait...

If your butt is ever on the line you'll be glad you didn't settle for less either in quality or caliber...

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My EDC is the 442 carried in my front pocket and it works regardless of how I dress. As to comfort it's hard for me to say for someone else but my guess is you'll get used to it quickly (I did).
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I carry a 360 pd all summer and I love it

J frame all the way
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I am a fan of the Ti cylinder and have owned more than one including a 329PD that has fired several hundred full power 44 mag loads with zero issues. Understand the properties of Ti and cleaning a Ti cylinder becomes a moot issue (a Ti cylinder is not a delicate item). I would like to see any documented/verifed issues with "shooting a lot" with a Ti cylinder. Another example of recycling internet garbage?

A 2 oz heavier revolver will have zero advantage in decreasing bullet creep. Elimating bullet creep is a result of using the proper factory ammo or proper reloading techniques.

Several hundred? Yeah let me know if you have 6+ thousand 158grn .357 out of a 340 pd, a burned up eroded cylinder and the scars on your face to match. Since I changed over to stainless the number of factory brand ammo I can use without issue has increased,so the 2 ounces makes a difference. I now have a little over 3000 rds 158grn .357 downrange from my 360 and 340 SS. So internet garbage? yes, where its coming from here you be the judge. I would like to hear documented evidence as to why a guy that admits he never has even held one of these revolvers should chose titanium over stainless. If he buys used he does not know what the last owner cleaned/shot with, then there is the chance he might shoot 110grn by mistake and damage that hardy titanium. So the POTENTIAL for problems with the titanium outweigh the 2oz benefit. IMHO, YMMV.

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My choice for pocket carry is my 342ti with old school factory grips. cant beat the weight!!!!
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My current Magnum pocket lite weight is my relatively new 351PD. Okay, it's 'just' a .22 WMR... but it weighs only 11.5 oz loaded with seven 45gr Hornady FTX 'Critical Defense' rounds. It also fits my spare Mika's 642 pocket holster and carries much more effortlessly in my rf pocket than my 642 stoked with +P 158gr LHPSWCs. Yeah, I know they are better man-stoppers than the .22 WMR, but my theory is that if the .22 WMR's bark doesn't deafen and disorient an assailant, it's flash should scare him. In any case, he would likely notice the recently installed seven exsanguination ports.

The really great news re the 351PD and that ammo - or CCI MaxiMag 40gr TMJ - is that, despite the necessarily miserable DA pull, follow-ups are fast and furious! I have an ANIB, bought 11/11, 4" 651 and I believe - all things being considered - it, resprung and slicked rebound slide, etc, has about the same DA-pull as my 351PD quickly broke in to have. The 351PD 'feels' harder due to the lighter weight. I can hit a paper dinner plate 7/7 times with it from 3-7yd after retrieving it from my pocket and firing rapidly - the 351PD should be effective. I'll still carry my 642 quite often - and it's predecessor, my 296 - some, too.

I've shot a 340 with hot CorBon .357Ms - ouch. It, and a similar 360, were range friend's firearms. No thank you! Follow ups? Eeek! Misery - pure misery. If I am as vocal upon the first shot in an emergency as I was the first time I shot the AirLite Ti .357M, my loud expletives would give away my position and likely result in my having my mouth washed out with soap. I'll stick with what I have... and very likely, start carrying that 351PD more!

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The airweight J-Frames, hands down.
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Well.... I've tried many of the guns mentioned. It all comes down to how you want to compromise and in what direction.

Ideal for CC is the perfect combination of size, weight, capacity and power. Problem is perfection doesn't exist. The Shield your wife absconded with is about as close as it gets in either 40 or 9mm. Another option with dimensions almost identical to the Shield but with more power is the Springfield XDs in 45 ACP (the Shield weighs 19oz, the XDs about an ounce and a half more). The problem today is they are equally difficult to find but worth the wait...

If your butt is ever on the line you'll be glad you didn't settle for less either in quality or caliber...

Just sayin'......

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A j frame is a must have in anyone's collection! I recently picked up a 360j. It's a 38spl only built on the same scandium frame as the 360pd/360m&p. it's much cheaper than its 357 brothers! And if you don't feel the 38spl is enough, have pinnacle high performance machine the cylinder for 9mm(waiting for mine to return!!) You get close to the same power as the 357 but without the massive blast of the 357!!(shooting 357 out of these is NOT FUN!!!) And after the price o the gun and machining, you still come out cheaper than the 360pd/m&p!!
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I carry a 340PD and I like heavy bullets. Since I've never shot a 357 load less than 158 grains, there's no risk of flashing the titanium cylinder. I shoot my other guns a lot, but not the 340PD or the 329PD.

If you are thinking of shooting the pistol a lot, then the Scandium/Titanium or Scandium/Stainless pistols are not the longest-lived. I think that's true in general of any super-lightweight pistol. If you shoot a lot of the wrong loads even in a stainless cylinder scandium frame you will have to send it back to S&W periodically to get the stainless blast shield replaced.

The 340PDs are great carry guns, and I think the 2 oz does make a difference.
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stainz, although I don't advocate a .22 Mag. as a primary carry piece,I will say,in an earlier life I used a .22 Mag derringer to cancel my one way ticket to North Viet Nam. If you are cool under stress and can place an accurate shot, a .22 Mag can be deadly.In my case,luckily,I hit him in the right eye and it made a 3"[approx] exit wound out the back of his skull. IIRC these were 40 gr. WW half jacket hollow points. Either way a .22 Mag,well placed, sure beats a sharp stick. Nick
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Take a look at the Kel-tec PF-9. Inexpensive, lightweight, and can accommodate a sporadic diet of +p.
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stainz, although I don't advocate a .22 Mag. as a primary carry piece,I will say,in an earlier life I used a .22 Mag derringer to cancel my one way ticket to North Viet Nam. If you are cool under stress and can place an accurate shot, a .22 Mag can be deadly.In my case,luckily,I hit him in the right eye and it made a 3"[approx] exit wound out the back of his skull. IIRC these were 40 gr. WW half jacket hollow points. Either way a .22 Mag,well placed, sure beats a sharp stick. Nick
yee-ouch..that had to hurt!!......i just picked up a 351pd and i have no qualms about carrying it.i like the 7 rounds and hitting the target on the follow up shots w/ no problems...i also rotate in a 431 32 magnum........6 shots and also easy to shoot. ..have a 337 38 i like as well...it all depends on what you like,can handle,and what conditions ur carrying in..ur attire as well will dictate what you carry.
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There is a good comparison chart of mouse guns at:

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B22w...hl=en_US&pli=1
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Quite a few pocket pistols that are smaller than the Shield or the J frame. A bunch of 380s (non-Keltec) that would meet the description. It all depends on what you are willing to sacrifice. Is 380 too small? If you want something with the power of a 9 that is smaller, then the Kahr is probably the way to go.

BTW, the 9 does NOT have twice the power of the 38, even according to the linked article. The 9 does have more power, but it's not twice. Regardless, the 38 is fine (if you know how to shoot).
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If you went solely by thread title... a NAA revolver would have to be one of the lightest and most easily concealable guns around... (I'd personally like to pick up a PUG)

But I have to agree with Stainz.. Never underestimate the power of 22 WMR. While it's usually shunned as being too 'small' for self defense / CCW.... I've seen the terminal effect of this cartridge in law enforcement and one can not argue with the results. Just about every case I've ever seen involving a 22 WMR was a fatality.

I have a 340PD and while it's powerful, it's quite painful to shoot. If I can find a new 351PD, I will probably replace it as my new carry gun. Granted you really cant go wrong with any J frame in my opinion.

Just remember... When you are talking about the possibility of using deadly force nothing is a replacement for shot placement, regardless of what caliber you use.


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My current Magnum pocket lite weight is my relatively new 351PD. Okay, it's 'just' a .22 WMR... but it weighs only 11.5 oz loaded with seven 45gr Hornady FTX 'Critical Defense' rounds. It also fits my spare Mika's 642 pocket holster and carries much more effortlessly in my rf pocket than my 642 stoked with +P 158gr LHPSWCs. Yeah, I know they are better man-stoppers than the .22 WMR, but my theory is that if the .22 WMR's bark doesn't deafen and disorient an assailant, it's flash should scare him. In any case, he would likely notice the recently installed seven exsanguination ports.

The really great news re the 351PD and that ammo - or CCI MaxiMag 40gr TMJ - is that, despite the necessarily miserable DA pull, follow-ups are fast and furious! I have an ANIB, bought 11/11, 4" 651 and I believe - all things being considered - it, resprung and slicked rebound slide, etc, has about the same DA-pull as my 351PD quickly broke in to have. The 351PD 'feels' harder due to the lighter weight. I can hit a paper dinner plate 7/7 times with it from 3-7yd after retrieving it from my pocket and firing rapidly - the 351PD should be effective. I'll still carry my 642 quite often - and it's predecessor, my 296 - some, too.

I've shot a 340 with hot CorBon .357Ms - ouch. It, and a similar 360, were range friend's firearms. No thank you! Follow ups? Eeek! Misery - pure misery. If I am as vocal upon the first shot in an emergency as I was the first time I shot the AirLite Ti .357M, my loud expletives would give away my position and likely result in my having my mouth washed out with soap. I'll stick with what I have... and very likely, start carrying that 351PD more!

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9mm vs 38 Special | Ballistics 101
It looks like you are comparing a 5 inch 9mm with a 2 inch stubby 38 special.

BBTI - Ballistics by the Inch :: 9mm Luger Results

BBTI - Ballistics by the Inch :: .38 Special Results

By the way, when I was young the police all carried 6 inch barrels, except the detectives. In 158 grain the penetration is very good. Longer heavier bullets penetrate better.

No one would have dreamed of carrying a 9 mm until hollow point bullets and high capacity magazines became available.

In the 9mm the round nose jacketed was the only thing available. Good for punching little holes that stretched out and closed back up.

In the 38 special the reliability and flat semi wadcutters were nice. Lead bullets go down the barrel a little faster than jacketed, in any particular caliber. They also reload nice.

There was no such thing as +P 38 specials back in the 1950’s. All S&W revolvers were made of steel, and all the old loads would be called +P today, if memory serves.

In other words, back then, everyone sooner or later compared them. But the jacketed round nose 9mm geneva conventions military bullet was not a good man stopper.

I would be willing to bet that most off duty police still carry stubby revolvers. I might be wrong?

You might notice in reloading books the powder in the shells is about the same, or slightly more in +P 38 special.

The powder does the work.

The Kabooms and interesting jams just do not happen in revolvers. But the semi-autos are getting better. Some semi autos still have a hammer that you can cock for better shooting. Back in the day there was no good triggers on single action auto’s. Even today the semi autos have hammers that are awkward to cock.

I shoot better with stubbies than little semi-autos. As pocket guns they have no equal. Show me a semi-auto you can shoot from inside a jacket pocket in an emergency.
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The 340PD is a great pocket-revolver. I carry mine in a DeSantis Nemesis and have no complaints at all. I did change the red-ramp to a XS regular-dot night-sight.
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The old Colt Cobra gives you light weight and six shots. In a two inch barrel, +P and magnum loads don't matter that much to me. I know I'd lose the ballistics argument. In a semi-auto, if you want something that hits like "The hammer of Thor," the Kahr PM45 is a pretty potent package with five in the mag and one in the chamber. Nothing beats a heavy, fat, slow .45acp for stopping power. Good luck.
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How is a 9mm twice the power of a .38?
A .38 SPL produces about 200 ft-lb muzzle energy from a 6" barrel, compared to 9x19mm, which produces approximately 400 ft-lb from a 4" barrel. .40 S&W and .45 ACP are in the same ball park as 9 mm.

Plain vanilla .38 SPL packs a real wallop of recoil in a 15 oz revolver because there's no action to spread out the momentum. The recoil of a pistol is spread out over about 1/10 second as the slide flies back, which reduces the felt recoil significantly.
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A .38 SPL produces about 200 ft-lb muzzle energy from a 6" barrel, compared to 9x19mm, which produces approximately 400 ft-lb from a 4" barrel. .40 S&W and .45 ACP are in the same ball park as 9 mm.

Plain vanilla .38 SPL packs a real wallop of recoil in a 15 oz revolver because there's no action to spread out the momentum. The recoil of a pistol is spread out over about 1/10 second as the slide flies back, which reduces the felt recoil significantly.
Do it again. This time use +P 38 special (That every steel frame has always used) and the same bullet weight for each caliber.

Many years ago there were articles that argued with Jeff Cooper claiming the 9mm is/was better than the 45 auto. The kinetic energy formula always gives the fastest bullet the edge because the velocity is squared. Somehow it never works out in the real world. Several years back the police who raid drug labs claimed the 40 cal works a lot better on pitbull dogs. They started a trend. The 45 cal is legendary. A person could be creative and make an aluminum core 45 caliber bullet at 125 grain weight, but you would fine it lacking.

I have heard of people who went Bear Hunting in Alaska with the AR15 military round when it was new. Didn’t work out well.
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A .38 SPL produces about 200 ft-lb muzzle energy from a 6" barrel, compared to 9x19mm, which produces approximately 400 ft-lb from a 4" barrel. .40 S&W and .45 ACP are in the same ball park as 9 mm.

Plain vanilla .38 SPL packs a real wallop of recoil in a 15 oz revolver because there's no action to spread out the momentum. The recoil of a pistol is spread out over about 1/10 second as the slide flies back, which reduces the felt recoil significantly.
Let me do this one more time in another way. You said that 9mm and 45 were the same kinetic energy.

My Speer Reloading Manual Number Nine has some pages on test fires they did on various cartridges in various handguns:

“Velocities of Commercial Cartridges”

Page 433 - S&W auto 4 inch barrel - 9mm - 125 grain bullet - 1109 feet per second.

Page 434 - S&W rev 6 inch barrel - 38 special - 125 grain bullet - 1160 feet per second.

Page 435 - Colt auto 5 inch barrel - 45 auto - 190 grain bullet - 1007 feet per second.

When we do this again be prepared to discuss why hunters prefer 180 or 200 or more grain bullet weights when hunting elk, moose, or bear.

Be prepared to discuss the old tests where leather jackets prevented hollow point bullets from opening up. (Filled up the hollow point).

A 45 auto always makes at least a 45 caliber hole. I have forgotten but that is over twice as big as a 9mm. Remember the area of a circle is Pi R Square. If you draw a ½ inch square on paper and divide it again into 4 squares each ¼ inch or .25 caliber you get the idea. 25 caliber is 4 times smaller than 50 caliber. A one inch water pipe is 4 times smaller than a 2 inch water pipe. Area and Volume math is another dimension. Pour your 9mm barrel full of baby oil and compare what you pour out with a 45 auto barrel full of baby oil. In piston engines that is called cubic inches displacement.

And maybe carpenters hammers are too heavy. Maybe we could make much lighter faster hammers (longer handles?) with more kinetic energy so they could build houses faster with the same nails and 2x4 boards. Maybe the best all around hammer is a tack hammer?

Yes I am old and have a thick head. But I love to hear about new stuff that works. Please lets continue. It helps me review old books and new products. And I really want to know what you like best and why. When anyone convinces me of something new I am really happy. Unfortunately my hands remember revolvers and love them.
I just touched my wife, one of my revolvers, and one of my semi autos. Yes my wife and my revolver feels the best even to my index finger.
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Hi all I looking for my next gun of course I am in a toss up. I am looking for a pocket pistol for summer time. I bought a S&W Shield 9mm and had it for about 30 seconds then my better half confiscated it and now I just longingly get to look at it in her purse.

I am in between another shield 40 cal or a 340PD or 360 something I can toss in my pocket. I have a Chiappa 200DS I like but its no Smith.

I dont want a 380 kel tec or anything like that.
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I own a Shield and she is on the bigger side for pocket conceal.


If you are into 1911 Sig 938 is a wonderful 9 mm you can easily pocket and the recoil is very manageable.

I have shot or owned most major brand single stack 9mm and I like the Sig 938 and Shield.

I would wait buying until DC figures out what they are going to do with regard to gun control.

The unknown is just driving prices up beyond what is reasonable. As much as I enjoy my Shield it is not worth $750 but there are enough freaked out folks that have a hole in their pocket and money comes easy or they live the American Dream with plastic that are paying nearly twice retail.

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+1 on both the p938 and the xds. I own both.

If you want LIGHT, how about a Ruger LCP? They now have a lighter trigger and small sights built into the slide. Load it with FMJ and do the +1 mag mod and maybe the wolf spring

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Well.... I've tried many of the guns mentioned. It all comes down to how you want to compromise and in what direction.

Ideal for CC is the perfect combination of size, weight, capacity and power. Problem is perfection doesn't exist. The Shield your wife absconded with is about as close as it gets in either 40 or 9mm. Another option with dimensions almost identical to the Shield but with more power is the Springfield XDs in 45 ACP (the Shield weighs 19oz, the XDs about an ounce and a half more). The problem today is they are equally difficult to find but worth the wait...

If your butt is ever on the line you'll be glad you didn't settle for less either in quality or caliber...

Just sayin'......

I really like the XD-S .45, it'll be my next family member...soon!
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I carry the 340PD everywhere, every day. Uncle Mike's pocket holster works well. I shot several rounds of .357, never again; second shots are difficult.
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you said "pistol", so I assume that means a pocket semi-auto. IMO it's really tough to beat Kahr. Design, quality, size, lethality.
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If you want to go old school, I've got a Walther Model 9 that only weighs about 9 ounces empty. It will fit in a 2" x 4" box. It's a little bit smaller than a Baby Browning.

I'm not sure I would ever want to use it for protection, but small and light it is.
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Hi guys thanks for all the great info I am still leaning towards the 340 or 360 with steel cylinder. I need a j frame too though and just like a reliable pistol for pocket carry. Any good deals out there anyone wants to direct my way.
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If you';re gonna shoot 38's, why not buy an airweight 442/642 or 637, or older 37? Only a couple ounces more than the unobtainium (or whatever) revolvers and much lower priced. My first real-life everyday carry gun was a Ruger LCP. Easy to pocket carry & unnoticable, but I decided after a while that it just wasn't much gun and wasn't esp easy to make good hits with. I bumped up to a 2" j-frame 38, which throws 75% more bullet (158 gr lead HP) at about the same velocity as the 380's 90 grainers. I like a vintage steel-framed model 36 (or stainless 60) carried A-IWB, but if I pocket-carried a vintage airweight model 37 (or modern 442) would get the nod.
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