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Old 03-19-2013, 09:25 PM
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Default Informal Case Study on the 3” barrel M&P/ Model 10 variants…

Posted here as most are late models, but a couple are "technically" earlier forum guns.....

Hello all, there seems to be a lot of interest in the 3” barrel versions of the M&P/M10 line of late. These guns are special to me, they are unique in that they were never “cataloged” until very late in their life, my catalogs have them showing up in 1996 thru 2000, however no mention in 2002 (which was a magazine style document, no real specs), definately not there in 2005. So, no standard barrel models appear to have been standard production, I'll do more research on this......


Here’s a few rambling observations (specific to the 3” models) from many years of collecting/studying the M10 and predecessors.


- Most 3” M10’s and pre-model numbered guns appear to be Special Order, not cataloged items

- There were two different barrel profiles throughout noted production years

- Standard barrel as well as heavy barrel engineering change frames were made with 3” barrels

- Standard barrel and heavy barrel profiles are not the same profile, see pics for reference

- Examples of pre-modeled 3” have been confirmed (two confirmed, likely more out there)

- Many special orders export runs for Canada, Europe, APAC countries and Australia (many seen recently as trade-ins and sold to US markets)

- I’ve never seen any from Canada, this info from SCS&W V3, I own a Turkish model but not sure if that’s Europe or Middle East

- Both Blue and Nickel finishes made, as well as matte Blue special order guns.

- Standard barrel profiles made in pre-Model numbered production as well as M10-4, M10-5, M10-7 and M10-9 engineering changes, and none
confirmed in the M10-11 engineering change, although of the M10-11 guns I own/owned I’d not consider them “standard” barrel profiles.

- Heavy barrel profiles made in M10-6, M10-8 and M10-10 engineering changes, to date I’ve not seen any in M10-1, M10-3 or M10-12 engineering
changes, but they could exist…. The hunt continues

- No 3” guns have been observed in M10-12 engineering change, Frankly, I’ve never seen any Model 10-12 in any barrel length, so there.

- No “lock” guns (post 2000, give or take) have been observed with 3” barrels.

- No MIM guns have been observed (by me anyway) on 3” guns.

- Standard barrel guns often mistaken as “heavy barrel” due to lack of notable taper, as seen on 4” and longer standard barrel guns.
(Often described as “intermediate” barrel see pics below)

- Standard barrel engineering changes are normally seen with square butt gripframe. Most were export guns, often seen used.

- Heavy barrel engineering changes are normally seen with round butt gripframes.

- Some standard barrel round butt guns observed, as well some heavy barrel square butt guns observed, just not a lot of quantities observed of either.

- Front sights of HB guns are pinned in, front sights of standard barrel guns are forged into barrel

- One HB model made (M10-10) with shrouded ejector rod. (Brazil export, see pic below)


Pics denoting various 3” M10 variations:

Barrel profiles side-by-side – Standard (M10-5) on left, Heavy (M10-8) on right.


Pic below of Pre-Model numbered M10 Standard Barrel, originally from the Gary Garbrecht collection


Model 10-4 Standard Barrel, extremely hard to find engineering change, a well used Police Gun


Others with Standard Barrel profiles:





A few interesting Heavy Barrel models:

A M10-8 non-pinned nickel square butt gun, very scarce configuration:


A M10-8 non-pinned nickel round butt gun:


A M10-8 non-pinned matte blue gun (acquired from the Wayne Betz Estate:


A M10-8 pinned blue round butt gun:


A later M10-8 non-pinned blue round butt gun:


And a very cool M10-10 shrouded barrel blue Brazil Export gun:


S’all I got…..
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Thank you for the very nice write up and pictures.
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And to think, I just want one to carry and shoot! (smile)

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Default lets see em....

Love to see 3" variations of the M10

Please post yours....

Especially if you have any variations that I've been skunked on....
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Thanks for a great writeup!
Nothing to add but was nice to know that my Aussie 10-5 has a lot of relatives.
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That 10-10 is somthing I wish S&W would make a run of for the U.S!!
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Pics denoting various 3” M10 variations:

Barrel profiles side-by-side – Standard (M10-5) on left, Heavy (M10-8) on right.


Pic below of Pre-Model numbered M10 Standard Barrel, originally from the Gary Garbrecht collection


Model 10-4 Standard Barrel, extremely hard to find engineering change, a well used Police Gun


Others with Standard Barrel profiles:





A few interesting Heavy Barrel models:

A M10-8 non-pinned nickel square butt gun, very scarce configuration:


A M10-8 non-pinned nickel round butt gun:


A M10-8 non-pinned matte blue gun (acquired from the Wayne Betz Estate:


A M10-8 pinned blue round butt gun:


A later M10-8 non-pinned blue round butt gun:


And a very cool M10-10 shrouded barrel blue Brazil Export gun:


S’all I got…..
Those are some beautiful pieces! Did you ever think about collecting 3" Model 10's??

Geez man, are there any left for the rest of us?
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Default Informal Case Study on the 3” barrel M&P/ Model 10 variants…

My 3" model 10-5 ex Aussie police gun has become my favorite SW revolver.


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A great write-up - thanks for taking the time to share that information with the rest of us.
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I keep hearing a number of 50 copies of the 10-10 3" Brazilian gun as having been sold into US trade. Is there any confirmation that this is correct, or if not, what the true number is? I ended up with two of them and the odds of that seem astronomical if there are only 50 of them. I sold one to a forum member and still have the other. I also have a blued 3" RB 10-8 (thus, your last two pictured guns.)
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beemerphile,
Only rumors, sometimes I hear 35, sometimes I hear a low 60's number, either way it's not many. I've not lettered my Brazil gun, and I'm not sure a letter would have that info in any event.

Scarce guns, I'd love to find a "shooter" quality version, something I could hard chrome and turn into a daily carry gun... would be a cherry gun.
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Wow, very nice post, thank you.
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Great info and photos.I always look forward to your posts.Thanks.
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Thanks Smith Nut - I enjoyed your work on that.
When I first posted a pic of my 3" SB M&P (1958) several months back, someone opined that it just had to be a rebarrel, which I felt strongly that it is not.
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Great write up! Now you've gave me another S&W to look for...LOL!
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Great pictures on a fine set of Smiths. I concur that S&W should make a run of these again for the rest of us.
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Plain, old RB Model 10-8

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............courtesy of a Gentleman of the Forum.

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Nice Tony, very nice......
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Have to blame it on you Amigo, you set me on the quest for one many years ago.
But I do appreciate your wisdom and guidance.
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Where does this one fit in? It lettered in this configuration.

10-8, 2 1/2"...

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Where does this one fit in? It lettered in this configuration.

10-8, 2 1/2"...

It probably fits in like this one, in a very cool place .... This one letters to the Michigan State Police.
Where does yours letter to?

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It probably fits in like this one, in a very cool place .... This one letters to the Michigan State Police.
Where does yours letter to?


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...another plain-Jane three inch 10-8.
This one is unfired, new in the box.
Happy to have her.
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When my class came out of the New South Wales Police Academy in 1997, we were issued the 3" Model 10 Square Butts. (NSW has the largest population in Australia). I believe these Smiths had been the standard issue for about 20-30 years before I started. It wasn't until 1999 that we transitioned over to Glock 22's.

I believe that the Hierarchy at the time wanted the guns concealed under the officers tunics so hence they ordered 3" instead of 4".
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This is one I acquired a few years ago it’s a 10-5 serial numbered in the D540xxx range,1973 by the book serial number
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