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Found a 627-2 That I Can't Identify now with PHOTOS!!
My favorite LGS just had a 627-2 come through the door that neither the owner or I can identify through the usual sources including the SC of S&W.
Got an odd ball today. I checked in the Standard Catalog of S&W today, but no info. Guns that were close, but not the right product #'s.
S&W 627-2, 357mag, 5"bbl non-fluted cylinder with cursive writing on the barrel. Sn-CCU23XX. Patridge gold bead sight, Product code 148218 with Spec Ord #8218
The SC of S&W has product codes 148327 and 149140.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Do you have a photo?
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I had one and let it slip away. It was a six shot and had laser script .357 Magnum. Limited production.
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Call Lew Horton, give them the serial number and see if they claim it as one of those small runs of prototype or 'clean up' guns assembled from spare parts. Made in 1998 and could be as few as only 15 or less made.
The SCSW does not list every single model that went out the door especially 'over run' guns.
Is it the new frame w/frame mounted firing pin?
What does the laser script read?
6 or 8 shot?
Hogue grips?
Full lug barrel?
No Performance Center logo?
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I have seen one. A guy at a local range has one. I have been looking for a 5 inch 627 for a good many years. If you don't want it, please let me know where it is.
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It was probably made August 6th 1998. I think you will find that it is from a small run made up of left over parts.
Many of these small parts runs were offered to large distributors like Lew Horton.
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Congratulations on a great find. Those earlier 627s are hard to come by. There were a number of configurations offered between 1998 and 2001, 5-inch and 6-inch barrels, fluted and un-fluted cylinders, all 6-shot, all in the same general appearance as the original Model of 1989 which was a 5.5-inch barrel. These were among the last guns made on the older forged N-frame and were concurrent with the new CNC frame 627s produced by the Performance Center and marked 627-3. Many were shipped to Germany and barrel marked "Target Champion." I would love to add the full serial number to my data base if you would like to share via PM. Cheers!
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Call Lew Horton, give them the serial number and see if they claim it as one of those small runs of prototype or 'clean up' guns assembled from spare parts. Made in 1998 and could be as few as only 15 or less made.
The SCSW does not list every single model that went out the door especiall 'over run' guns.
Is it the new frame w/frame mounted firing pin?
What does the laser script read?
6 or 8 shot?
Hogue grips?
Full lug barrel?
No Performance Center logo?
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Frame mounted firing pin, 6 shot, Hogue Grips, Full Lug, No PC logo.
Barrel reads: Smith & Wesson on one side and 357 Magnum on the other
Photos to follow.
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Frame mounted firing pin, 6 shot, Hogue Grips, Full Lug, No PC logo.
Barrel reads: Smith & Wesson on one side and 357 Magnum on the other
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I'm even more convinced it is a clean up/over run gun. few will ever see one or know what they saw if they did. They just come along so infrequently. I sometimes want to buy every one that I see just so I can say, look, these oddballs really do exist!
I look forward to the photos.
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I have one i bought new in the late 90's I believe. It does have the frame mounted firing pin, 5 inch bbl, fluted 6 shot cylinder, with the script writing on the bbl. Product code is 148327 and serial number CCZ7320 Spec code 8016. This gun will shot one inch and less groups froma rest at 25 yds. Very accurate.
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These were among the last guns made on the older forged N-frame and were concurrent with the new CNC frame 627s produced by the Performance Center and marked 627-3.
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CNC?
Not forged?
You sure?
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Photos of the 627-2- Reevolver now sold
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Wow, after all that you did not end up with the gun? I sure hope a fellow forum reader did not buy it out from under you. Regardless, too bad.
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neat gun!! what were they asking for it??..if you don't mind telling
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Steamloco76 generously contacted me and offered me the opportunity to purchase this 627, for which I cannot thank him enough. Needless to say, I did not hesitate. I hope to have it sometime next week.
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OK. I'm PO'd at the Post Office. The 627 arrived in KC, Kansas at Post Officer facility Tuesday night, departed this morning then processed back, it seems, if I am reading this right, into the facility at 10:38 am. No movement after that, no delivery to GS, even though it says it expected delivery today!! Now what?
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I too hate waiting for delivery!
Hopefully it will be delivered tomorrow. I had the same thing happen with a gun shipped from Arkansas to PA. The package made it to the central hub for my LGS area and was marked out for delivery only to show as still at the hub at the end of the day. It was delivered to the LGS local PO the next day.
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Beautiful gun. My favorite revolver is a 627-0 with a 5" barrel and a non-flute cylinder.
Must be the pictures but that looks more like a 4" barrel to me?
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I guess I can settle down now, it arrived at gunshop today, will pick it up tomorrow morning. It was advertised as a 5 inch. I do not believe I have ever heard of a 4 inch 627-2.
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Beautiful gun. My favorite revolver is a 627-0 with a 5" barrel and a non-flute cylinder.
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I was surprised to see a -2 with MIM parts and the extended cylinder stop but I didn't have time to check my SCoSW until this morning.
MIM parts did not appear on standard production 627s until the -3, which interestingly was released as an eight-shot gun during the same year as the six-shot -2, 1998. The pictured gun apparently is a Product Code 148327 which is described as: 5" 627-2 6-shot, MIM H&T, gold bead front, box lists SB but gun reportedly is RB; quantities unknown, variously reported as 15 or 300, may be neither. Oddly, the only 627s listed as having unfluted cylinders are 149140, a six-shot 6" 627-2 made for Lew Horton, 149193, an eight-shot 6" and 170095, an eight-shot 6" Performance Center gun. The dash numbers for those last two aren't listed.
It sounds like there is a very appealing cloak of mystery surrounding that gun!
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I was surprised to see a -2 with MIM parts and the extended cylinder stop but I didn't have time to check my SCoSW until this morning.
MIM parts did not appear on standard production 627s until the -3, which interestingly was released as an eight-shot gun during the same year as the six-shot -2, 1998. The pictured gun apparently is a Product Code 148327 which is described as: 5" 627-2 6-shot, MIM H&T, gold bead front, box lists SB but gun reportedly is RB; quantities unknown, variously reported as 15 or 300, may be neither. Oddly, the only 627s listed as having unfluted cylinders are 149140, a six-shot 6" 627-2 made for Lew Horton, 149193, an eight-shot 6" and 170095, an eight-shot 6" Performance Center gun. The dash numbers for those last two aren't listed.
It sounds like there is a very appealing cloak of mystery surrounding that gun!
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steamloco76 said it is Product code 148218 in his 1st post, one not listed in SCSW.
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I have a 627-0 mod of 1989 5 1/2 that is full lug and un-fluted and round butt w/ combats. It has German markings and manual, and is a delightful revolver.
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I have a 627-2 exactly like the one pictured. S/N is CCU23xx range. I bought it in February, 1999. Interesting gun.
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Back with a range report. Shot 50 magnums and 50 .38's through the new 5". It handles the recoil of the magnums very well and really dampens the .38s. Had a lot of glare off of the gold bead front sight, so the groups at about 10 yards seemed to drift left. Checked the rear sight and, lo and behold, the sights were moved left of center. Centered the rear sight and moved the group back to center. All in all, to say I am quite pleased would be a major understatement.
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I'm very glad to hear the good range report and happy to have helped hook you up with a "Grail" gun!
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I have a 627-0 mod of 1989 5 1/2 that is full lug and un-fluted and round butt w/ combats. It has German markings and manual, and is a delightful revolver.
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I would enjoy some photographs of this firearm, if possible. I enjoy the M627.
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I would enjoy some photographs of this firearm, if possible. I enjoy the M627.
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There are some pics in post #12 above that pretty much tell the story.
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I thought I'd wake this thread, if you guys don't mind.
I found this beauty in a shop in Denmark. Now begins the process of import permissions etc, probably 2-3 months before I get the gun in the mail.
It is a 6" (152mm) barreled 6-shot S&W 627-3 in .357 Mag built on the N-frame. I have never seen a 6-shot later than -2, as the -3 started with the 8-shot cylinders and 4" barrels. The "Target Champion" engraving is a sign of it being licensed by Wischo in Germany, where the -0, -1 and -2 generation 6-shot 627's are fairly common, however only with the 5" and occasional 5.5" barrels.
Frame mounted firing pin, 6-shot cylinder and 6" barrel. It is my dreamgun for many years and I didn't even know someone had made it.
Serial number is CHA7661 and seller says it is a 627-3.
This will see a steady diet of the classic 173 gn Keith when it reaches my home in Sweden.
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They are real beasts! That one has a Millet rear sight and a different front sight than what is standard in the U.S. It kinda looks like a Dawson front sight of some sort. The front sight is interchangeable, so maybe the original front sight is with the gun, if it has been changed. I'm have no idea if the gun shipped as is, or sights were changed.
That is a great find anyway, and I hope you enjoy it as much as I have mine.
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I'll add another version of the 627-2. I bought mine at Rock Island Auction in April of 2007. The gun is 5" barrel with fluted cylinder, Patridge gold bead front sight(interchangeable), MIM case-colored hammer and trigger and a round butt grip wearing Hogue rubber.
The blue hard case it came in serial number matches the gun...#CCZ7294, product code 148327, spec. ord. 8327. The case also indicates the stock is SB but both the rubber Hogues on the gun and the grip frame are round butt; perhaps the stocks on my gun have been switched.
All exterior markings are laser engraved: Right side of barrel "357 Magnum" in cursive and left side Smith & Wesson in cursive. No checkering on top strap. A poster above asked the OP if the example he was discussing was a Performance Center gun. The OP's answer was no and my specimen is also not PC.
This thread makes it clear why Supica and Nahas expressed confusion about 627-2s. If you have a 627-2, don't assume anyone else has one exactly like yours.
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They are real beasts! That one has a Millet rear sight and a different front sight than what is standard in the U.S. It kinda looks like a Dawson front sight of some sort. The front sight is interchangeable, so maybe the original front sight is with the gun, if it has been changed. I'm have no idea if the gun shipped as is, or sights were changed.
That is a great find anyway, and I hope you enjoy it as much as I have mine.
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The front sight is from a german performance firm called Centra. The front sight has a quick change feature where you lift it up and turn the upper half of it around so you change the point of impact. It is a pure target feature for those events where you sometimes want to hold in the white below the target's center and sometimes in the center of the target.
I wrote S&W about my 627-3 and received this answer:
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However, that doesn't answer the question of whether there were:
a) 501 pieces of 627-3 made all together or,
b) 501 pieces of 627-3 with six shot cylinders or,
c) 501 pieces of 627-3 with six shot cylinders and 6" barrels.
I would go for b). The 627-3 is pretty common with 8-shot cylinder and the 6" barrel on 6-shot cylinder is way too uncommon to be made in 501 pieces.
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I thought I'd wake this thread, if you guys don't mind.
I found this beauty in a shop in Denmark. Now begins the process of import permissions etc, probably 2-3 months before I get the gun in the mail.
It is a 6" (152mm) barreled 6-shot S&W 627-3 in .357 Mag built on the N-frame. I have never seen a 6-shot later than -2, as the -3 started with the 8-shot cylinders and 4" barrels. The "Target Champion" engraving is a sign of it being licensed by Wischo in Germany, where the -0, -1 and -2 generation 6-shot 627's are fairly common, however only with the 5" and occasional 5.5" barrels.
Frame mounted firing pin, 6-shot cylinder and 6" barrel. It is my dreamgun for many years and I didn't even know someone had made it.
Serial number is CHA7661 and seller says it is a 627-3.
This will see a steady diet of the classic 173 gn Keith when it reaches my home in Sweden.
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My son is living in DK. I would like to know how to get a target pistol to him. Do you know offhand what the requirements would be for me to ship it and for him to own it? Would it be easier if I sent him a target rifle instead?
Thank,s
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Michagun: I have no knowledge about exporting firearms from the US, nor on importing to Denmark. However, most Scandinavian countries only allow firearms to be owned if you are a competition shooter or have a hunting license. You can try contacting Huntershouse.dk, they do a lot of import/export sales and are the one I bought this 627-3 from.
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I corresponded with Roy Jinks, S&W Historian:
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[My name], right now all I can tell you is that there were 135 guns in the serial range CHA7657 – CHA7661 and they were all in the same configuration as the one you asked about without other serial numbers from other guns I cannot provide the configuration. Roy G. Jinks, S&W Historian
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This is indeed thrilling, I will continue my research.
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A quick revival of an old post.
I bought a 627-1 the exact same place as OP.
Cant wait to bring it home.
My post of me trying to find more info on it is here :
Identification of a 627-1
Great info in this post..
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I have a 627-2 exactly like the one pictured. S/N is CCU23xx range. I bought it in February, 1999. Interesting gun.
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I also have one of these mystery 627s with product code 148218. Did you ever find out how many were produced?
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I don't think there were very many, but they do show up from time to time. I think almost as many were sent to Wischo in Germany as there were shipped here. I think the 6 inch is relatively more common, as I know four people that have them. All are are CCU serial numbers. I have two 6 inch 627-2s that are in the CDY 25xx serial number range, product code 149193, Spec. Ord 0342. The five inch guns are CCU 23xx Product code 148218, Spec. Ord 8218, a couple years older. I really wanted a fluted cylinder 5 inch 627, which is really hard to come by, as I have never had the opportunity to purchase one.
Mokuloa is the 627 expert here and maybe he will add something to this old thread.
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