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Old 08-30-2013, 10:35 PM
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Which of these beauties would you choose to carry on a woods hike in an old flap holster? I realize two of them have the unpopular lock, so most will probably choose the blue Mod. 58 in .41 Magnum. But, let me hasten to say that I've never had a single problem with either of the locking versions! The stainless 625-8, Michulek, in .45 ACP is one of my better shooters. And, of course the nickel 21-4 in .44 Special is everyone's favorite cartridge! But, I think I would pick the .41 Mag. loaded down to around 800 FPS and carry 4 or 5 shells loaded hotter, just in case I ran across a deer or maybe some varmint at longer range. That cartridge has been very accurate for me in four or five different guns over the years! A 220 gr. RCBS cast bullet over about seven grains of Unique or Herco for plinking, and nine grains of the same powder for the heavier loading. I didn't choose the .45 ACP because of the inconvenience of the moon clips and the power level. The .44 Special would be hard to pass up, but it just can't do what the .41 mag. can! Besides, that nickel plated look just doesn't seem like a woods gun to me? What do you think!
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I really like the 625 JM. I have a new one and it's becoming a favorite.

Buffalo Bore sells autorim +P cartridges that have the power to deal with just about anything short of an Alaskan Grizzly.

HKS even has speed loaders for autorim ammo so you don't need to deal with moon clips.
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That's good to know, Cal!
I may check with Starline to see if they have some autorim cases. But, I may not because I have a Remington 1911-R1 that I use these shells in, too. Not many bears left in Kansas, anyway.
But, I think I will take the original S&W stocks off the 58 up and put on some larger aftermarket stocks.
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Hey ! I would gladly carry all three. One is never enough, two is marginal, but three is just about right.
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Any of those three cartridges should do, especially for the handloader. The Sierra manual lists some pretty hot "revolver only" loads for the 45 ACP. They list a 240 gr JHC bullet at something like 1100 fps, which is definately a hot load. If you're concerned about one of those finding its way into a 1911, load it in 45 AR brass.
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Those things are heavy!

I don't do a lot of woods tramping any more but in my hey-day I always relied on lighter weight pistols. Here in Indiana, there is nothing much bitey or scratchy that calls for a big gun. My three main choices were the one-and-only Model 19 (possibly my favorite revolver of all), the Model 34, or my .38 Super or .45 Commander. Given my mentality about objecting to too much weight, I would probably pick your thin-barrelled .44 Special.
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When doing longs walks in the woods any of the three would work fine. To me if I'm going to carry the weight I would get a S&W M&P in 40 S&W with 12 shots and it would still weigh the same as the guns you mentioned.
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I'd have to drive over 100 miles north to find bear, but there are zombies everywhere. I'm partial to .45, and .45 ACP will do in a pinch. Moon clips take no more room than speed loaders, and you can always carry a dowel or pencil if you want to forgo the clips, and perhaps use speed strips. 230 grain +P packs plenty of punch in a 4" barrel.

Full flap holsters slap around on your thigh, in addition to being slow. If that floats your boat, so be it. I think a pancake with a hammer shield provides enough protection (e.g., Alessi CQC), more comfort with a 40 oz handgun, and quicker access.
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Since I have had three bears taken off my property this summer already, I'd opt for the .41 magnum...and I did. I often carry a 3" 657 around here (my property is next to a large tract of National Forest).
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Which of these beauties would you choose to carry on a woods hike in an old flap holster? I realize two of them have the unpopular lock, so most will probably choose the blue Mod. 58 in .41 Magnum. But, let me hasten to say that I've never had a single problem with either of the locking versions! The stainless 625-8, Michulek, in .45 ACP is one of my better shooters. And, of course the nickel 21-4 in .44 Special is everyone's favorite cartridge! But, I think I would pick the .41 Mag. loaded down to around 800 FPS and carry 4 or 5 shells loaded hotter, just in case I ran across a deer or maybe some varmint at longer range. That cartridge has been very accurate for me in four or five different guns over the years! A 220 gr. RCBS cast bullet over about seven grains of Unique or Herco for plinking, and nine grains of the same powder for the heavier loading. I didn't choose the .45 ACP because of the inconvenience of the moon clips and the power level. The .44 Special would be hard to pass up, but it just can't do what the .41 mag. can! Besides, that nickel plated look just doesn't seem like a woods gun to me? What do you think!
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The answer is quite obvious to me. Put those diamond magnas in the box and carry the 58 for daytime use. Use the JM for nighttime use. Yes, Auto Rims and speedloaders work great. Use the .44 SPL for Sundays and such.
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Very nice looking revolvers! I'd be hard pressed to make the decision as well.

I'm going to say the 625 JM. The reason is simple: it's a .45 and is stainless.

My selection of woods guns is limited as I only own three revolvers. When the woods bug hits me, I venture forth with a Model 25-5 6" in .45 Colt in a cross draw rig.
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I appreciate all the comments!
Bud, I do intend to put the diamond magnas away and put on a set of aftermarket wood stocks. I like a little larger stocks on my N frames.
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How you been Dick? I'd use the 625, just kinda partial to them. Couple of loaded moon clips are easy to carry. Larry
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Gotta vote for the Mod.57 because it's a .41 Mag , and because I have one.



If there's critters around that are bigger and hairier than myself , it would be loaded with Rem 210gr JSPs or my 220gr hard cast SWC handloads.
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How you been Dick? I'd use the 625, just kinda partial to them. Couple of loaded moon clips are easy to carry. Larry
Everything's fine, here, Larry!
I answered your last PM but never heard back from you? I've been meaning to write to you, but? I like the 625JM, too, but would like a little more range so would pick the .41.

Mark41, Your gun looks just like mine! In fact, I may use a set of Herrett's on it. Also, I load it with a home cast 220 gr. RCBS bullet, too!
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All three are great guns and great calibers.....but I would strap on the 58....I have carried and shot one since 1981....carried one as a motor cop....still carry one concealed when the mood strikes me.....I shot the 41 mag in met sil. comp from 80-85, and have harvested several deer with the 41 as well....as much as I like the 44spl, and 45acp....the 41 mag is much more flexible in loading options.....I can carry my mid range load of a 220 gr SWC over a charge of Unique or go "full throttle with a JHP over a load of 2400.....all good.
Since you already have all three...just rotate them...quandary solved. Good shooting.
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Here it is with the Herrett's! The diamond magnas are boxed up and put away! I'm headed out to the range, now! Later, I'll post a target with the 210 JSP and one with the 220 lead SW.
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This isn't working out too well! The 4" 58 has fixed sights and appears to be putting everything 2 to 2.5 inches to the right! I can either change guns or learn to hold off a little to the left? I have a 4" 657 I could use but don't care for sights in this holster. Or change to a snap holster I have. Have to think on this a bit? I really like this 58!
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This isn't working out too well! The 4" 58 has fixed sights and appears to be putting everything 2 to 2.5 inches to the right! I can either change guns or learn to hold off a little to the left? I have a 4" 657 I could use but don't care for sights in this holster. Or change to a snap holster I have. Have to think on this a bit? I really like this 58!
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A bobcat or a wild hog is about the most dangerous thing around here, except black bears have found their way here RARELY. I think coyotes are a possibility because their range has expanded so much. I'm with you on the .41 magnum. It's good for chipmunks or the biggest varmits you see around here.
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Thanks for the advice, BM. I'll try to take control of my emotions, just for you.
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I tried another target, today, with my favorite cast bullet and Universal Clays. UV loads at about the same volume as Unique. The 220 gr. bullet seems to work better than the 215 gr. bullet I used with the other target. This is a fairly warm load but seems to be accurate. I held in the center of the black 9 ring, straight left of the bull. Seemed to work out just right. I need to chronograph it, now! These were fired off the bench and sandbags at 25 yards. It was 90° with sun and almost no wind!
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In the Rockies around here, a 6" N-Frame is on my side. Usually the 28-2 with 158gr SJHP 357 mags. I don't worry about the bears because they usually just want to be left alone. But, bears aren't the only critters on the mountain.
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I'd holster up the 21-4 loaded with 240 LSWC at about 1000-1100 FPS. There is nothing on two or four feet that that would not calm down permanently. I have a 21-4 that I positively adore! It is not nickle plated. I put a bit of white paint on the front sight It works extremely well at any normal distance one might figure on shooting such a revolver. It hammers steel targets hard. It will stay in the head of a man sized target at 25 yds. What more could anyone want?
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Bob,
I have quite a number of "N" frames in .38 and .357! 27s, 28s, and 38/44s. Plus several "L" frames. I probably shoot them more than anything else! But I've been a big fan of the .41 Mag for several years, now!
I'm trying to figure your location? Is that Kalifornia or Kolorado?
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I agree with everything you say about the .44 Special! I also have a 6" 24-3 and for long range I have an 8&3/8" Mod. 29. I shoot them all with a 240 gr. RCBS cast bullet. Great fun!
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Hey Dick, carry the gun you shot that last target with and the same load. Actually, carry the accurate load which will give you more distance. Don't give that gun to you're grandson either. WOW, 90 degrees. Larry
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Model 58...what else, look at my avatar, it's a 58 with a new set of Ahrend's Retro Combats. The perfect Packing Gun.
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The 625. I like the Hogue Monogrip on it. Better grip, especially when sweaty. The 230 RNL/FMJ over a max charge of Unique will get the job done.
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Hey, Larry,
I've about settled on the M-58. It'll do pretty well, I think! I'm not going to give the 58 away! I just gave a Mod.10 to another grandson who's not into shooting as much as the other one. This one's just graduated Tulane with a Master's in Finance but is having a hard time finding an appropriate job for his degree. He stayed in New Orleans and has been going to the range with a friend and using his guns. I offered him a choice between a 39-2 and the M-10. I think he made the right choice!
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Since I have had three bears taken off my property this summer already, I'd opt for the .41 magnum...and I did. I often carry a 3" 657 around here (my property is next to a large tract of National Forest).
I stick to 38/357 guns in general. But, if I had the bear problem that 505 seems to have, I would jump to the 41 Magnum. Plenty of power to deal with anything short of the 50th Parallel. Would probably do well in a rifle, too (my favorite rifle is the Marlin 1894 in 357 Magnum).

I wonder if Smith could make a 41 Magnum on the L-frame? Five shot? Well, that would be OK.
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Dick, it looks as though you may have a finger problem. I am assuming you are shooting single action. This could come from not having enough of your trigger finger on the trigger causing the tip of your finger to pull the gun to the left. Or it could be from tightening your fingers as you pull the trigger. I tell shooters that their grip should be "white knuckle tight" to maintain a consistent grip. Your groupings are OK.
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Thanks, Bruce!
That target was shot off sandbags. Look at the other target further on. It was shot the same way, only holding off about two inches to the left. This gun doesn't have adjustable sights. It's off that much.
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Love the 41mags....got 5 of them, can't get enough of them!
They are just versatile. But either choice u list will do for me!
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Old 09-06-2013, 03:47 PM
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I have five, too! An 8&3/8" 57, two 6" 57s, this 58 and a 4" 657! Excellent cartridge if you reload!
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Old 09-17-2013, 11:10 PM
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Hey, Boys!
A nice afternoon, today! 82° in the shade on the home range! Tested several loads through the 4" Mod 58 with good results. 4.5 gr. of Bulls Eye behind a commercial cast 215 gr. semi-wad for an average velocity of 763 FPS. And then, 7.5 gr. Universal Clays behind my home cast RCBS 220 gr. semi-wad for an average velocity of 1,071 FPS. Both were fairly accurate at 25 yards, but the UV was by far the best! A little harder to handle but much more accurate than the BE load! I guess I better try both loads in my 4" 657, now! I'll report on those when I get them done. Happy shooting, All!
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I have another nominee for a woods gun. Several months ago I bought an HD from another member. It had had the cylinder replaced because of a damaged extractor, and there wasn't a replacement extractor available for that cylinder. The new cylinder (I have no idea what model the cylinder was intended for originally) and extractor work perfectly and it shoots great! The new cylinder isn't numbered so the gun can't be considered valuable. It even looks pretty good since I replaced the stocks with an old set of targets. It's a 5", but I have an old flap holster that fits it, so if I want to carry a .38 instead of one of the heavier calibers, now I can! I really like the old gun and it's another I can carry without worrying about destroying the value.
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Old 12-06-2013, 04:58 PM
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Reddog,
All three look to be winners. You can't go wrong with any
of those while woods walking in Kansas.
Of course i'm a purist and agree with the no-lock .41 mag.

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.357 (recessed chambers) or .38 cylinder? If its a .38 it had to be from an H-D or an Outdoorsman. Not a bad looking old gun. Shoot to point of aim for you?
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Thanks Chuck,
I'm an old time follower of the .41 Mag, too!
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It's an HD. Look at the beginning of my post. It does shoot pretty well to the point of aim!
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The pic is of a pair of faux antler I tried on it, but they were too small for such a heavy gun!
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