Is S&W Slowly Producing More "No-Lock" Models?

zombie66 · #1 10-16-2013, 08:08 PM

So is it just me or am I seeing more newly manufactured S&W Revolvers being made with no ILs in them?

If so that is wonderful but if they are only producing limited runs my wallet and the "chase" are gonna get a workout.......

murphydog · #2 10-16-2013, 08:10 PM

They have (or had, meaning no longer produced but still in inventory) a fair number of hammerless J frame revolvers without the lock that are available new. Nothing larger as far as I know.

zombie66 · #3 10-16-2013, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by murphydog

They have (or had, meaning no longer produced but still in inventory) a fair number of hammerless J frame revolvers without the lock that are available new. Nothing larger as far as I know.

Ahhh I see but can their really be that many in stock still?

murphydog · #4 10-16-2013, 08:19 PM

They may be producing more frames due to demand. If someone posts the letter prefix on their recent no-lock 442/642 we can get a better idea; if it starts with a D it must be recent production.

junglefighter · #5 10-16-2013, 09:08 PM

My 340PD,CTZxxxx,with a fired case dated 3/18/13 and 642-1,CTXxxxx,with a fired case dated 2/8/13.Both are no lock and bought new.Hope this helps,at least a start.

GaryS · #6 10-16-2013, 09:51 PM

My 642was produced in April of 2012. It was a replacement for an older 442 that had a cracked frame. I specifically asked for a no lock and the CS rep said it might take a bit longer to get because they made them in batches and he didn't know when the next batch would be coming out. My serial number starts CSV.

shawn mccarver · #7 10-16-2013, 09:55 PM

No lock revolvers are cataloged and part of regular production in the Centennial models. They are not now "old stock."

riverrat38 · #8 10-17-2013, 12:14 AM

I just ordered a M640 Pro.
No lock.
Interesting marketing Genius.
Put something on your product that most of your customers don't want, for "safety" reasons, and then offer elimination of the item as an enhancement for extra cost.
I understand the lack of locks keeps the guns off the approved list in CA.

Best,
Rick

kscardsfan · #9 10-17-2013, 12:30 AM

Like you could use a CCW gun in California anyway

zombie66 · #10 10-17-2013, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by kscardsfan

Like you could use a CCW gun in California anyway

They have Guns in California?

zombie66 · #11 10-17-2013, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by riverrat38

I just ordered a M640 Pro.
No lock.
Interesting marketing Genius.
Put something on your product that most of your customers don't want, for "safety" reasons, and then offer elimination of the item as an enhancement for extra cost.
I understand the lack of locks keeps the guns off the approved list in CA.

Best,
Rick

I was just looking at these tonight and all I can say I WANT ONE!!!!!!!!!!

Gunhacker · #12 10-17-2013, 03:44 AM

No requirement in CA for a gun to have an IL to be listed on the approved list... all that's needed is the mfg submit the gun for testing and pay the fees to have it tested and placed on the list after passing the destructive safety tests.

Guns fall off the list when mfg's don't pay to renew the listing when it expires. And believe it or not... there are certain counties in CA where Sheriff's are supportive of CCW permits, but those are usually not the counties with the large metro cities.

Dueeast · #13 10-17-2013, 12:41 PM

My 642-1 is a no lock. Ser # CSZ****

kaaskop49 · #14 10-17-2013, 01:14 PM

If no one has already done so, welcome to the Forum! Can't have too many new members. Fellow poster Shawn McCarver corrrectly points out that both lock and no-lock Centennials are cataloged, they have different SKUs. If you really want one, perhaps you should 'strike while the iron is hot.' I'm certain your local LGS would be happy to order one for you.

Lobster Picnic · #15 10-17-2013, 04:17 PM

Some current models, like the 351c, never had a lock.

zombie66 · #16 10-17-2013, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kaaskop49

If no one has already done so, welcome to the Forum! Can't have too many new members. Fellow poster Shawn McCarver corrrectly points out that both lock and no-lock Centennials are cataloged, they have different SKUs. If you really want one, perhaps you should 'strike while the iron is hot.' I'm certain your local LGS would be happy to order one for you.

Thank you very much, so far im loving all the info im seeing on here.

schneiderguy · #17 10-17-2013, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kscardsfan

Like you could use a CCW gun in California anyway

Actually, a majority of the counties in CA are "shall issue" for CCW permits.

The problem is that the population is concentrated in the counties that don't issue.

GaryS · #18 10-17-2013, 08:11 PM

This may be a stupid question, but are permits honored statewide?

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Originally Posted by schneiderguy

Actually, a majority of the counties in CA are "shall issue" for CCW permits.

The problem is that the population is concentrated in the counties that don't issue.

Gunhacker · #19 10-17-2013, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GaryS

This may be a stupid question, but are permits honored statewide?

Believe me, that's not such a dumb question for CA with it's convoluted gun laws.

Yes, if you manage to snag a CA CCW it's good throughout the state.

Here's a great website for CCW info period... not just CA. (the concealed carry resources tab is especially helpful):

Concealed Carry - Resources, Maps, Forums, Articles - USA Carry

Gunhacker · #20 10-17-2013, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by schneiderguy

Actually, a majority of the counties in CA are "shall issue" for CCW permits.

The problem is that the population is concentrated in the counties that don't issue.

With apologies to the OP for the thread drift...

Sigh... oh how I so wish that was true. CA is one of the few hold out states that have not changed their CCW laws from "may issue" to "shall issue".

Additionally... 2 of the requirements that need to be met:

1. Upon proof that the person applying is of good moral character
2. That good cause exists for the issuance

Those have been interpreted widely between counties and what constitutes meeting them is up to the local LE authority.

In the SF Bay Area counties you have less odds of getting a CCW than winning the Power Ball lottery. Up in rural Northern CA, like Modoc County... getting a CCW is hardly breaking a sweat.

GaryS · #21 10-17-2013, 10:18 PM

It's a very useful site, I go there often. I even have the mobile app, but I found another one, Legal Heat, better to use on my Android.

I probably should have looked at either of those first, but as you note, CA is convoluted. As I recall in New York, a CCW permit issued outside the city is NOT valid inside the city.

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Originally Posted by Gunhacker

Believe me, that's not such a dumb question for CA with it's convoluted gun laws.

Yes, if you manage to snag a CA CCW it's good throughout the state.

Here's a great website for CCW info period... not just CA. (the concealed carry resources tab is especially helpful):

Concealed Carry - Resources, Maps, Forums, Articles - USA Carry

kscardsfan · #22 10-18-2013, 10:38 AM

There's no dumb questions in regards to being legal when you're carrying. That's the best thing we can do as gun owners to maintain a positive public image.

AR_Black · #23 10-18-2013, 10:57 AM

Just had a few no-lock guns here in the shop.
All were hammerless J-Frames and new manufacture.

Model 442 S/N CUH xxxx
Model 642 PRO S/N CUK xxxx
Model 640 PRO S/N CUJ xxxx

schneiderguy · #24 10-18-2013, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunhacker

With apologies to the OP for the thread drift...

Sigh... oh how I so wish that was true. CA is one of the few hold out states that have not changed their CCW laws from "may issue" to "shall issue".

Additionally... 2 of the requirements that need to be met:

1. Upon proof that the person applying is of good moral character
2. That good cause exists for the issuance

Those have been interpreted widely between counties and what constitutes meeting them is up to the local LE authority.

In the SF Bay Area counties you have less odds of getting a CCW than winning the Power Ball lottery. Up in rural Northern CA, like Modoc County... getting a CCW is hardly breaking a sweat.

Sorry, maybe I should have said "virtual shall issue". Outside of certain coastal areas, the state is actually pretty CCW friendly. Unfortunately I live in a "no issue" county

sac-gunslinger · #25 10-18-2013, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by zombie66

They have Guns in California?

Yes, mine is bright yellow and orange. And they let us use those sponge rubber bullets in them!