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With all the problems S&W had from L-frames in 44 Spl breaking, I wonder what they've done to believe an L-frame 44 Mag will hold up? A 2-piece barrel & ball-detent? I suppose time will tell.


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Interesting.
First I'd heard of that one.
I guess if they could make a J-Frame .357 hold up then this might be possible.
I'll just keep my 696, however.
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With all the problems S&W had from 646's in 44 Spl breaking, I wonder what they've done to believe an L-frame 44 Mag will hold up? A 2-piece barrel & ball-detent? I suppose time will tell.

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FYI a 646 is 40 S&W a 696 is a .44 spl.
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FYI a 646 is 40 S&W a 696 is a .44 spl.
Thanks! Yeah, I don't always type so good, & didn't proof read. I knew what I meant, just didn't come out right..........
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Will it be available in Pink? Maybe with a flower etched around the hole? I, like Broker 50, think they should fix what they're making now before venturing out with a new holer.
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With all the problems S&W had from L-frames in 44 Spl breaking, I wonder what they've done to believe an L-frame 44 Mag will hold up? A 2-piece barrel & ball-detent? I suppose time will tell.

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Did S&W make a 44 Special in a L frame? I thought it was only available on a N frame. Please school me!
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Is this the part where everyone starts crying about the IL? Lol
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Is this the part where everyone starts crying about the IL? Lol
Don't forget the MIM parts and the frame mounted firing pin!
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Taurus has been making these for at least 5 years. About time. Joe
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Did S&W make a 44 Special in a L frame? I thought it was only available on a N frame. Please school me!
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696, I think, a 5 shot revolver that if I recall right came in 2 formats, one of which was a Mountain Gun like version, and the 296, a really big centennial style, looking like a 342 on 'roids. Maybe more, not my area of knowledge, although I have and like the 296.
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Did S&W make a 44 Special in a L frame? I thought it was only available on a N frame. Please school me!
As Doug M said, two, 696, & 296. Both discontinued now.
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I want one!

Love me a 44, and the new m69 is really tripping my trigger.....

So many S&W's, so little extra dinero!

I have to go pay for a nearly mint condition 28-2 this week.... It never ends.
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Did S&W make a 44 Special in a L frame? I thought it was only available on a N frame. Please school me!
This is an L frame, Model 696, chambered in .44 Special. There were some issues with N frame Model 624 guns which had cylinder issues. This one's a five-round revolver, and it's tough as nails. I've trusted my life with it.
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With all the problems S&W had from L-frames in 44 Spl breaking, I wonder what they've done to believe an L-frame 44 Mag will hold up? A 2-piece barrel & ball-detent? I suppose time will tell.


Problems with the 696?!

I haven't heard of them. What would they be?

Thin forcing cone I understand, but other than that...
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As Doug M said, two, 696, & 296. Both discontinued now.
And the 396...
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As I posted on the other Model 69 thread, I have a 696 and love it. I probably will not buy a new 69, not because of the lock or MIM, but because the 696 is all I need. Since they discontinued the 696 and current guns are rarely on the market and very expensive when they are, I think the Model 69 will sell very well. I don't know if people will fire magnum ammo from it, just like I doubt most shoot 357 mag ammo from the new model 60's, but it will be a great gun with 44 special ammo.
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I had a 15gr of 2400 load with a 240gr XTP or hard cast lead bullet I shot a few times from my 696 years ago. It made 1000fps and was a handful. I also carried it in bear country, I figure a similar load with a 280-300gr bullet at 950fps will be very controllable and a great bear stopper in the M69. Easy load to produce with 44 Mag brass.
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Problems with the 696?!

I haven't heard of them. What would they be?

Thin forcing cone I understand, but other than that...
It was my understanding that forcing cone & frame failures, along with very slow sales were the reasons they were discontinued.
'Course I could be wrong, haven't stayed at a Holiday Inn in a long while.............
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Hold on a minute! A few years ago the experts said a 5 shot L in 41 Mag was not possible but now one in 44 Mag is being produced.
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A M69 is ideal for me.
In WA state a handgun must have a 4" barrel or more for big game hunting even if it is for the "Coup de grāce".
My M696 does not fit the bill in this case......
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624's-as I got it, had some problems in the heat treating of the cylinders of some guns, but they were unable to supply replacement cylinders, and the ser #'s of effected guns seemed vague when I looked into it several years ago.
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That's why I handload....
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It was my understanding that forcing cone & frame failures, along with very slow sales were the reasons they were discontinued...
Not a lot of forcing cone thickness when compared to an "N" frame's.

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'Course I could be wrong, haven't stayed at a Holiday Inn in a long while.............
Not.

Slow sales - yes.
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I look forward to the new model 69. Not super happy with the lock etc but I guess it's just a sign of the times. I like my original classic 5". It shoots great but I don't like the weight. I had the 3" L frame scandium frame it was ok but didn't ever warm up to the 44spl. It shot good and was a delight to carry. I then got the 44 mag 4" with the scandium frame. Couldn't really warm up to it. It was tolerable with full house loads but I found it way to light to hold on target. I looked at the L frame 44 spl. It felt good in the hand but by then I got rid of my 44spl brass and didn't want to mix. I picked up a 3" 629 I like it but kind of wished for a mountain gun with the 4" tube. I am looking forward to when I can check out the new 69. It can shoot light loads without changing brass or fouling the chamber and have the heavy loads for when I need them with a little lighter and slightly thinner gun. Jerry J.
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This model 69 looks like my dream date. I have owned most of the 44s under discussion, but am down to a 29-5.
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I thought it was my dream date too. However when i got one in my hands, it looked like this:
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So I wrote S&W customer service. This is their response:
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well they try to get them as close as possible but they dont line up perfect

that is normal

If further assistance is required please reply accordingly. "

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Will it be available in Pink? Maybe with a flower etched around the hole? I, like Broker 50, think they should fix what they're making now before venturing out with a new holer.
They addressed the forcing cone problem with the model 66 when the dash 6 F comp model came out. They changed the forcing cone and the metallurgy. That was back in 93 or 96 IIRC Since then there have been more improvements in metallurgy so the problem should have been addressed.

There is no need to pile on Smith. JMHO

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I just love the new guns. Top quality. They are the best.
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Well, if Taurus can make one work well (which the Tracker seems to), I'd guess S&W might be able to make a run at it.
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That thing is going to kick like an angry mule with factory ammo...
Yes, but it plants bullets with very satisfactory accuracy. Good enogh it'll probably go deer hunting this fall.

And it shoots soft swaged bullets (Speer LSWC) with minor leading. Which is a VAST improvement over any of my older .44s! Same ammo was a complete disaster previously.

Yah, it's an old thread. But revived above. And I'm so tickled with the thing there may be another. Didn't think it could be so good! Indifferent appearance aside, it's a shooter.
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Talking It is RB right?

I'm guessing the 69 is a roundbutt L-Frame right? I mean sure it has a rubber grip standard. But nothing on S&W website or here on the forums has identified RB vs. SB.......

Is it Roundbutt? anybody?

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I thought it was my dream date too. However when i got one in my hands, it looked like this:


So I wrote S&W customer service. This is their response:
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well they try to get them as close as possible but they dont line up perfect

that is normal

If further assistance is required please reply accordingly. "

I will just wait and see if they correct the problem.

Might not appear very elegant but it looks functional to me. I can't really see them being able to line it up any closer than that.
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You must be kidding. The crane fits so beautifully and tightly... The fit and finish on the gun is spot on. I want to hear Smith and Wesson say that's the way it's supposed to be, if that is the case.

I would have loved to be in the meeting when they made the compromising decision to ship the Model 69 like this.
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Finally went to my friend's private range and brought along a Model 69 L frame 44 magnum. Three others also tried it out. Of course with 44 special 200 grain factory all found it pleasant shooting. At 15 yds. 2-3 rounds would typically touch. At 25 yds one shooter pulled 2 inch groups consistently. Then moved to 240 grain factory soft pint Remington and with the right grip, stance it was fine. We went through two boxes shooting multiple targets in called order.
Buffalo Bore 255 grain hard cast of fifty rounds and no hiccups and vey manageable by three of us but one found it more than she liked so she is staying with the 240 grain loads as her standard 44 magnum outdoor carry. Agree with her view it is better to hit well with what you carry.
I used the 255 grain for a moose and it did fine but it was close while I was still in camp. Not really a hunt as much as a shoot of opportunity.

Last was a box of Federal Premium 300 grain cast core. For three of us doable for hits and repeats but also we were fine with just shooting the twenty round box. Overall this may become my favorite carry 44 revolver. With a Blade Tech Razor IWB holster easy carry quick and surprised to find the 4.25 inch barrel works well in this manner.

We ended with shooting off a grab bag of odds and ends with the model 69. I am pretty certain anything not solved with five well placed rounds will unlikely be solved with one more so that does not worry me. My Night Guard I am not as accurate with and I finally have a S&W 44 magnum that fits my hands. I do think the excellent shape and cushioning of the grip makes a big difference.

My hunting round is a 45-70 in a custom Marlin lever. The Model 69 is an Alaska defensive tool when required... and fine for me.
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Not really. that is if you are not recoil sensitive!!! I have a M69 and fired different rounds through it the other day. The .44 Spl I had was a 240 LFN traveling at about 850 fps. This was a dream to shoot. I then switched over to my magnum rounds. These wee 240 gr. bullets LFN, and I had loaded them with 11 grs. of Unique and getting about 1300 fps. I figure just short of factory. It was nice and had some recoil, but not uncomfortable. I was surprised at how comfortable it shot. It will make a great woods gun during hunting season.
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Thanks for the field report. Would like to see more posts of folks actually shooting the new 69 and reporting their findings. Only this will tell us how good or bad the 69 really is.

Imagine, a gal preferring a certain factory .44Mag round as her carry load... What a gal!

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Imagine, a gal preferring a certain factory .44Mag round as her carry load... What a gal!

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I told them I wanted an M-59.
AKA a 41mag with a 3in barrel.
The production manager smiled at the 41 [ he shoots one] but
the 3in caused his eyes to light up!!!!!!!!
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Yes she is. Am glad she lets me use her private shooting range, salmon fish on her property and travel together around Alaska these past few years...life has been good.
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Exactly what are "all the problems"?

Unless there are documented, specific issues from reliable sources (i.e, not google) search results), it's wrong to post such a remark.

Even if it's true, the specific problems (or link to an article) should be in the post, instead of a blanket statement like that.
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Too long a gap but a very busy summer. Hooligan fish run was great. Dried and some salted. The Model 69 and I did another long, for me, run at the range after I checked my model 19. The Model 69 again did really well. Odd thing is had some Remington 240 SJHP and they felt like a sharper kick than the 255 Hard cast Buffalo Bore which seems to "push" more but bite less. This for both my friend and I. We both like the same brand 240 soft point and we both felt it also had less "bite". She shot it twice and removed the rest from her revolver, a snubbie Performance Center. Also glad that came in a 20 round box.
Should point out we both wear our fingerless bike gloves when practicing with the 44 magnum rounds to avoid "tenderizing" between the index finger and thumb. All in all the Model 69 went through 50 more rounds of CCI 44 Spec., 32 rounds of 240 SP, 20 rounds of Buffalo Bore, and 18 240 SJHP, 20 rounds of 200 grain Gold Dot HP for snubbies and is running perfectly.
Bought some locally welded steel base stands with large screws that use standard 1x2 for supports to then staple gun IPSC targets. Results in more enjoyable practice as the wind does not blow the target over. We also have several brown bear currently wandering through the property at late hours (not night as the sun does not really set until about 11PM). Keep a fully loaded shortened barrel 45-70 lever on property at all times.. Model 69 is very much a part of life is good..
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So is it a round butt or square ????
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Old 06-09-2014, 02:30 PM
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