Do any of you that have the Delta grip also have Pachmayr's Presentation/Compac grips and how do they compare?

Thanks.

I do have Compacs, but I don't think I have any photos of them.

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Does the delta grip absorb more recoil than the compac's? I guess that you like the delta grip better.

I might have to try them out, they aren't that expensive.

I carry a 340PD 'cuz it's so easy to conceal, rather than increasing it's size to make it more shootable I would just carry a larger gun to start with!

Looks like the rats started eating the grips off the gun.....And that's all that is left.

Well, in the first place, that's going to depend on the hand geometry of the individual shooting. I've got normal sized adult male hands, but I have fairly hollow palms relative to normal, and my fingers might be a little on the long side. What works for me is not going to work for my friend with Sasquatch hands, or my friend with stubby fingers. So, take what I have to say with a grain of salt: it's how it feels for me, which might not translate for you.

Secondly, it's hard to talk about recoil in these because I've only used the Compacs and the Ergo Grip Delta Grips on a .38 Special revolver, and I honestly don't recall there being any sort of a recoil issue with my +P loads and either set of stocks. I'm not saying a warm loaded .38 can't recoil out of a J-frame (or that some stocks can't transmit that recoil in an unfortunate manner), just that both of these are just fine in my experience.

My recollection (since it's been a little while since I've shot the gun with either) is that the Compacs are a little fatter (so they give you more to hang onto on the horizontal axis) but they don't protect your middle finger from the trigger guard (a potential issue with stiff loads, as we all know) so well. The Delta Grip is fairly flat and feels like it'll drive back into your palm more, but doesn't because you're grabbing so much of it . . . and there's no issue with trigger guard whack at all (due to the way it places your hand). Both sets of stocks point well, but the Delta Grip points better for me insofar as no eye coordination, thinking or wrist movement is involved - I can point blindfolded at a target and hit it with these. I find follow-up shots are faster with the Delta Grip, too, which could argue that they mitigate recoil more, but I think it's really just a function of how they point for me.

Hope that helps.

Edited: by the way, it was a really good idea you had to compare them to the Compacs, which also extend the length of pull/distance between the backstrap and the trigger to something that's a little easier for the average adult male. Both sets of stocks increase the size of the J-frame and take it out of the super-concealable package that is often sought - personally, I wouldn't use either on a pocket gun. On a 3" J-frame, though, either the Compacs or the Delta Grip make the gun more useful to me - the gun becomes a lighter, skinnier K-frame for shooting purposes. I would not that, while I've had Pachmayr Compacs for years and would sometimes trot them out for range use, they really didn't ride on my 36-1 very often - the performance improvement was not enough to get me beyond the detraction in the gun's appearance (I like blue steel and walnut), so I'd stick with the factory splinters and a T-grip. The Ergo Grip Delta Grip has stayed mounted on my 36-1: it's ugly as a hog-nosed snake, but the sucker will shoot.

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Hello Y'all,

Is there any updated opinions on this grip?

Advise when possible.

rd

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The ergo don't so much as reduce recoil as redirect it. For me, muzzle flip was somewhat reduced, but after 20-30 rounds of +p rounds, I was feeling some discomfort along the thin line of the back of the grip. I get the impression more of the recoil impulse was being pushed straight back into my palm than say a boot-type grip.

Also, for pocket carry, the ergo grips don't seem to make the revolver any less concealable.

As always, YMMV.

I took the Ergo grips off my 442 after I returned from the range yesterday. They seemed to cant my wrist at an angle that increased the recoil impact, the last thing I need with an alloy snubby. I had the longer Hogue grips on a 637 I recently sold and I don't recall such an unacceptable level of impact.

Anyway, I replaced the Ergos on the 442 with wood grips and a Tyler-T. When I find the Hogues I'll try them. In the meantime the aesthetics of the 442 are vastly improved.

Also, the 442 (at least this one) is in dire need of a trigger job.
Would an hour spent with snap caps help, or is it off to the gunsmith?

J Frame Grips delta ergo - price comparison - saleguru.net

I may TRY it.
Hope no one sees me though.

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I had a 642 that I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with....then I installed an Apex kit. The difference is night and day. I now LOVE my 642.

The Ergo grips are very flat and easy to conceal. it only adds 3/8" to the butt and 1/8" on the backstrap. The added length on the butt also also comes to a point and really helps to subdue the outline when carrying concealed. They do help on the recoil too. I also have an old Pachmayr Compac. They feel good under recoil also but for me the nod goes to the Ergo because the Compac is much heavier. If I wanted all that extra weight I would just carry a 640.

Worth every penny of the $16 I paid at Brownells. Yes, they are ugly and yes, I committed another sin by having my 340pd ported but between the two, I can fire .357 loads with much less felt recoil and better accuracy on my follow up shots. I don't see any increased printing when I carry either.

I like these grips better...less felt recoil and better accuracy. Definitely worthwhile.

Hello HiCap,

I ran across this old post and thought I would join in the discussion. I have a J Model 360PD and it is wearing me out. I am all over the place with this thing.

I was wondering if I understood you correctly; they are making an Ergo stock / grip for the Ruger LCR 357?

Let me hear from you. PM me if you want. I am probably in trouble with the powers that be for commenting on this old thread but I hope not?

Thanks,

rd

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Honestly (and I own and like an Ergo Grip for my 36-1 - see photo in post # 42 above), I wonder whether this would work well for the LCR. I believe the Ergo stocks on the LCR are going to cause that gun to pivot and for the muzzle to lift more than it should. - which is exactly the opposite of what they do on a J-frame. Look at the LCR Ergo Grip factory photo linked above and note how far below the bore axis the LCR Ergo stocks would place your hand.

Now compare that to the "choked up" grip that I am able to take when firing my LCR with the Ruger factory boot stocks.







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My son shot my 642 with wood grips about a year ago and hated it. Today he held the 642 with the Ergo grips and said it felt much better. We're going to try to get to the range while I'm down visiting him and let him try it out. He's a newer shooter, mostly shotguns, and doesn't like handgun recoil. I think it will be a good test of the grips.

For those who don't like the looks of the grips, I think they might be planning on making them in designer colors.

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I thought I'd like them. I wanted to like them. But, I didn't. I thought I'd like them because they change the grip angle to be more like a Luger than a 1911, which I prefer, but they felt horrible in my hand. Maybe my hands just aren't large enough for them. Have you ever been holding a waffle cone and squeezed too had only to have the code slip up in the wrapper? It felt like that. I felt like I was relying solely on friction to keep the 21 oz gun in my hand and not a mechanical lock, like with my Pachymer Compacs. Bottom line, hits or not, the gun just didn't feel secure in my hand and I think I's have had a very hard time pulling it from my holster.

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I tried to like them too. A brief infatuation. I've had those before.

Wow! All of these post with the OP asking if anyone's had a chance to try one. (I'm also in that bunch). I've not, but having a new model 640 where going up on the grip is not a bad thing (no hammer bite at all) and since I got absolutely nothing from reading this very lengthy thread, I'll buy some right now online and put them on. I have to think that it would surpass the standard grip by a wide margin. Looks cool to boot and since I did read that they grips are narrow and conceal easier than prior grips, it sounds as if I've found the perfect J Frame grip. Smithy.

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I tried a set of the Ergo grips on my Model 38-0 and tested them against a Model 638-1 equipped with my favorite CT LG-405 laser grips. I had the laser switched off and used the iron sights only on both revolvers. I tried to keep things as even as possible and tried to fire as soon as the front sights were on the center of the target. 20 rounds each, 158 gr. SWC standard velocity rounds fired at 7 yds. range. I think the results were pretty much equal. The Ergo grips don't work well for me for pocket carry, which is my primary mode of carry, so I'm staying with my LG-405 grips.

Regards,

Dave

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So Dave, is it that the ergo grips are too large to be as easy for pocket carry as your laser grips are? Pocket carry is the only way to go in a lot of cases so it would be pretty bust if these don't pocket well. Smithy.

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Does anyone know if the Ergo j-frame grips would fit on a Ruger SP101 frame?

They most certainly would not - the gripframes are completly different. However, Ergo Grip makes them for the LCR frame (see my post up-thread) ,which still would not fit an SP-101.

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I really like these grips on my 642. I carry that in my pocket, so aesthetics aren't important to me. I don't think people look in my pocket and if I have to draw, the last thing I'm going to think about is how they look.

My son shot my 642 with the stock grips and with the Ergo grips. He went from "I hate that gun.", to "Dad, you don't carry it that much, why don't you sell it to me?"

Which of course, I don't plan to.

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Every time I see a set of those on a beautiful S&W revolver, I puke in mouth a little bit, no matter how well they work.

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I'd be interested in the Ergo with a "clip-grip" appendage to evaluate no-holster IWB carry. Others may not be interested. So be it.

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Thanks GaryS: Great to hear an answer to the OP and one that helps more than just the one questioner. Pocket carry is all that I do and was wondering if the "Ergo" grips would comply with that desire? Thanks for the heads up and letting us know. Just like a shotgun where there is nothing more than a bead, the rear sight if you will is relegated to solely how the gun fits the shoulder. Most beginners try the heads up method of shooting which of course sends the shot sailing way over the target if not ahead or mainly behind the target as well. Kind of like cranking up the rear sight in an adjustable sighted handgun or rifle: You are going to shoot over the target. But if you add cheek pieces or rework the stock in order for it to more perfectly fit the beginner, then magically it seems that the oft missed target is within grasp of the beginner.

I've seen that and experienced it for myself when I was just starting out. So I gathered with these grips. If it more mimics the natural pointing of ones hand, you can't help but have improved scores or simply a better than average chance at hitting what you're aiming at. Smithy.

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My EDC is a Model 38-0 and a Model 638-1 almost always carried in a pair of DeSantis Nemesis pocket holsters - front pants pocket carry. With the LG-405 laser grips there is no problem in making a smooth, snag free draw from the pocket. With the Ergo grips - not so much. There is enough grip material that they just don't fit my pants pockets well, and the draw was slow and awkward.

Regards,

Dave

Thanks Dave. So the grip is longer or makes the overall gun length longer and that's why it's poking out of your pocket. Not a good thing in my book. Thanks again. Smithy.

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I always loved S&W revolvers. Since the 70s until 1980 I shot in the ISSF Center Fire contests with S&W K14 6" master and many shooters used that masterpiece revolver like me. The only problem was to perfect a grip that sometimes was anatomical. As I saw the shape of Ergo Delta Grips I bought immediately one from Brownells Italy and I discovered that the building of these grips is really a good one for target shooting too. Every finger works in the right way. There was no need to adapt. How much work and time I would have spared if these grips had been invented before! 

Ciao e benvenuto, Pavana. I've found these (locally made, actually - the factory is on the other side of the mountain) stocks to really fit my hand well and to place it for instinctive shooting. I'm particularly pleased with how they situate the gun's bore in line with the bones of my forearm, so I'm able to have a great reduction in muzzle climb compared to the original stocks (this effect reminds me of when I shoot my Chiappa Rhino).

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Ciao Erich, my name is Renato. I found Ergo Delta grips really effective in precision shooting too. For this reason I am looking for a mod.36, 3", round butt. Mine is a square butt and found it extremely precise over ISSF 25 meters precision targets. I am sure that Ergo Grips will enhance my performance. Moreover misfires will be zeroed, shooting line is lower than the one of mod.14 Masterpiece, five shots are exactly what is needed in ISSF Center Fire contests. Misfires happen sometimes shooting with Pardini HP 32 - I got four extractor breakings - and Hammerli SP20RRS.
I know that Chiappa Rhino is really a good special revolver but I have never shot with it.

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This thread makes me want to try the Ergo grip. I just hate to waste the money just to find out I don't like them. I'm such a cheapskate

$19.95 is a minimal risk!

And if you don't like them you can sell them at a minimal loss.

Here is how it would appear:


If you are not able to find and purchase a round-butt 36-1 easily, I am certain it would be possible for a gunsmith to grind your gun's frame from a square-butt to a round-butt.

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Oh, I'm sorry, but wouldn't be seen with one of those on my revolver.

Dave