Not Really a Bear Thread

[Kid44]

Will the .44 Magnum do it's part if the shooter does his if called into service in grizzly country, most likely in the lower 48. Reason I am asking is because I am trying to justify the Ruger Toklat I looked at today, while trying to talk myself out of it at the same time. I already have 2 .44s, one a Model 29and the other a SBH, both with the shorter barrels. Load would be a 240-300 gr. hard cast LSWC. I really have no need for a .454 Casull. Biggest, meanest thing I probably will hunt would be a black bear and a hunt is starting to find it's way into my future plans.

Update: I did buy the Toklat, with the intention of leaving it in the unfired condition I bought it in and selling it come hunting season. I'm thinking it's a gun intended for Alaska and when a bear hunter decides he needs one and can't find one I will sell mine.

[CAJUNLAWYER]

What's a Ruger Toklat???

[arjay]

Mmm maybe

[DR505]

If I were to buy a .454 Casull, it would be a Freedom Arms revolver. I just don't see a need for one...and see Toklats on sale from buyers who likely don't need them either. Too much gun?

[Kizmo]

Get the Toklat. You'll love it + .44 mag is minimal for grizzly.

Edit-I see you got it already. Mine saved my bacon last year from an angry 250 lb. sow. I'd keep it if I were you.

[CAJUNLAWYER]

WHAT--IS--A--TOKLAT???

[LoadEmUp]

"Named for the Toklat River in central Alaska, this variant of the Ruger Super Redhawk would make an excellent general purpose handgun. This gun has a satin stainless finish and an unfluted cylinder with a 5" slab sided barrel and adjustable sights (red insert ramp front/white outline notch rear). The textured rubber finger groove grips help manage recoil. The powerful .454 Casull is a capable round for defense against bears and other dangerous game."

[Kid44]

Originally Posted by CAJUNLAWYER

WHAT--IS--A--TOKLAT???

Ruger Super Redhawk .454 Casull from Talo with a 5" slab sided barrel. 6 shot cylinder, rubber grips and comes with the Ruger scope rings.

[amazingflapjack]

***BEAR SPRAY***

[Kid44]

Originally Posted by LoadEmUp

"Named for the Toklat River in central Alaska, this variant of the Ruger Super Redhawk would make an excellent general purpose handgun. This gun has a satin stainless finish and an unfluted cylinder with a 5" slab sided barrel and adjustable sights (red insert ramp front/white outline notch rear). The textured rubber finger groove grips help manage recoil. The powerful .454 Casull is a capable round for defense against bears and other dangerous game."

ahhhh, yes, but could also be named after the blond colored grizzly.

(The so-called Toklat grizzly from the Alaska Range is a striking pale golden color with chocolate-colored lower parts.) The body is massive and thick, with a prominent hump on the shoulders and a huge head supported by a short, muscular neck. The facial profile is concave. The front claws often exceed 3-3/4 inches (95 cm) in length, and are used primarily for digging and as weapons.

[Cal44]

Originally Posted by LoadEmUp

"Named for the Toklat River in central Alaska, this variant of the Ruger Super Redhawk would make an excellent general purpose handgun. This gun has a satin stainless finish and an unfluted cylinder with a 5" slab sided barrel and adjustable sights (red insert ramp front/white outline notch rear). The textured rubber finger groove grips help manage recoil. The powerful .454 Casull is a capable round for defense against bears and other dangerous game."

Might be a little better than the 454 Alaskan with it's 2.5" barrel.

It's a bit bigger and heavier, but the 454 Casull round needs a longer barrel than 2.5" to develop it's full potential IMO.

RUGER SUPER REDHAWK ALASKAN TOKLAT .454 CASULL 5.5" (TALO)

[Watchdog]

I had to hit Google to find out what a Toklat is.

On another note, I'm sure glad this isn't another bear thread.

[Cal44]

Originally Posted by WATCHDOG

On another note, I'm sure glad this isn't another bear thread.

Me too. Another bear thread would be unbearable. We need to keep bear threads to a bare minimum.

[Watchdog]

Originally Posted by Cal44

Me too. Another bear thread would be unbearable. We need to keep bear threads to a bare minimum.

Thanks for the laugh. I needed that. Believe it or not, my next sentence in my earlier post was going to be, "I don't think I could bear it"...but then I thought, no, don't do that.

[Kiteman72]

Originally Posted by Cal44

Me too. Another bear thread would be unbearable. We need to keep bear threads to a bare minimum.

When I clicked on this thread, I was afraid there might be trouble brewin. Glad to see things haven't gotten too grisly.

[Bajadoc]

If this was another bear thread I was going to hibernate in my den. Grrrrr.

[Engine49guy]

[shipwreck2]

Im going to the bears game next month.

[Watchdog]

Originally Posted by shipwreck2

Im going to the bears game next month.

As bad as they are, it'll probably be unbearable for you to watch.

[Hans Gruber]

At close range any full-power .44 Magnum fired into a bear's skull will stop an attack and get the job done. They don't need any special names.

[eveled]

Originally Posted by Cal44

Me too. Another bear thread would be unbearable. We need to keep bear threads to a bare minimum.

This thread is useless without cold beer!

[MJFlores]

My feelings are...if you find yourself needing to grab your sidearm because a Grizzly is about to get a hold of you, things have already gone terribly wrong and you are in for physical harm even if you get a shot or 2 into it. But at that point, a short barrel .44 with stout ammo and bullets will be a good thing provided you get a hold of the gun and can make one count in time.

[Kid44]

Originally Posted by eveled

This thread is useless without cold beer!

Don't let me stop you, I may even join you.

[ILTim]

Who needs another caliber? Unless the shelves run bare, then the need for alternate ammo launchers rears its head.

[ISCS Yoda]

This whole thing is barely tolerable.

Sorry.

I know, I should be punished.

***GRJ***

[Nightowl]

That is one ugly gun. It will never reside in my safe with my beautiful Smiths! Don't care what caliber it is in! Gez! At least get a .500 Smith.

[roscoepc]

Originally Posted by Nightowl

That is one ugly gun. It will never reside in my safe with my beautiful Smiths! Don't care what caliber it is in! Gez! At least get a .500 Smith.

Heh.. I did!! Not that I'm after any bear but I'm prepared if those pesky elephants show up again this year to raid my apple trees....

[Kid44]

Originally Posted by Nightowl

That is one ugly gun. It will never reside in my safe with my beautiful Smiths! Don't care what caliber it is in! Gez! At least get a .500 Smith.

I guess that's what makes the world go around. I have 3 S&W revolvers and all 3 are beautiful (29, 686 and 642). I just do not care for the X-Frame revolvers, I find them to be ugly. The Toklat is not the most beautiful gun either, but I bought it hopefully to sell anyway.

[stmry]

I think this might be just barely a bear thread.

[BAM-BAM]

Great, now we are reviving 3 year old Bear threads!!!!!


New ones are................. bearly bearable...................

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

I guess this is a white bear thread - the thread that wouldn't dye.

[Dave T]

Speaking of dying, has that Ruger Toklat died or is it still on the market? That thing is every bit as ugly as the X-frame Smiths, maybe more so. (smile)

Dave

[Gulfecho]

Ahhhhhy Boo Boo, let's go in to the forest and steal us some Boy Scout type pickenick baskets Boo!

[TAROMAN]

[BearBio]

"This thread is useless without cold beer!"

Cold beer or cold bear (thread)?

[XAVMECH]

Ruger makes some HD stuff, I've got some in my safe. BUT: the idea of buying one of these "things" with the idea of selling it a gain might be a bit of stretch. I don't doubt that it would stop a bear - you probably wouldn't even need ammo. Just skin that thing and show it to the bear - that'll probably be enough right there. I'll take my chances with my old 29-2, thanks just the same.

[L Pete]

Once again,........Remington 870 with Brenneke Black Magic slugs......

No cold beer, but a nice Scotch on the rocks...........

[murphydog]

In honor of the thread's (almost) 3 year anniversary, a photo of the gun in question. To me it is either a short Super Redhawk or a longer Alaskan; 5" barrel with extra machine work to taper the barrel. It's, um, interesting...

[eb07]

9mm all the way

American Hunter | Alaska Outfitter Defends Fishermen from Raging Grizzly with 9mm Pistol

[k22fan]

This thread's resurrection proves S&Wforum members are hungrier for bear threads than grizzly bears are for our meat.

I would have preferred the extra machine time spent cutting the sides of the barrel was spent cutting cylinder flutes. While the Redhawk's appearance is an acquired taste they are do not look too bad with a round barrel, cylinder flutes and the Lett grips originally installed on GP-100s and Redhawks. Those Hogues are butt ugly.

The ear splitting .454 option can be ignored and cowboy .45 Colts fired for an enjoyable day at the range.

[ridgewalker]

I believe the 44 mag will kill a grizzly. It has always seemed to me that how fast it will kill the bear is the problem. Unfortunately I always imagine they find the Griz carcass some miles away and open up the stomach and find bits of the shooter in the stomach.

[lunger]

To quote Doc Holiday from my favorite movie " It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".

[crazyphil]

.44 mag will do the job with a bunch of ifs.
If I were to be wandering around in grizzly country I would
prefer a 12 Ga. pump with big slugs.

[eveled]

Can you skin griz?

Fast as you can get em.

Best movie ever.

[M29since14]

Originally Posted by murphydog

In honor of the thread's (almost) 3 year anniversary, a photo of the gun in question. To me it is either a short Super Redhawk or a longer Alaskan; 5" barrel with extra machine work to taper the barrel. It's, um, interesting...

Who could bear to buy that ugly thing?

Pit-i-ful...

[p8riot]

Originally Posted by eveled

This thread is useless without cold beer!

Did someone say BEER?




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[rwsmith]

If you engage wild critters, I'd like a little more barrel length.

[6GUNSONLY]

Well, .44s must work pretty good; I have eight of them and I've never even seen a bear around here.

[wood714]

I actually saw a bear walking down the street in front of my house last summer. I aint scared!

I honestly only bought them because they looked cool.

[Pete from Perth]

We do not need Guns for Bears in Australia, we just give them a gum leaf and cuddle!