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Old 08-31-2014, 12:58 AM
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As some of you may have read, I am on a search for a new Model 617 & Model 29 Classic. For at least the past 6 months, none have been found in the metro Phoenix area. So, the chance of having to order online (if I can find them) is probably the only way that I will be able to get one within the coming year.

My biggest concern in ordering online (i.e., not physically inspecting the gun before I buy it) is getting one that has a canted barrel - see a lot of complaints about this, both with Ruger & S&W. In fact, one of my Ruger GP100s has about a 1-degree cant (over-clocked) on it.

I was in an LGS yesterday and asked to see a new Model 629. Sales person handed it to me and sure enough, there was about a 1 to 2 -degree cant in the barrel.

So, for you guys that have recently bought new S&W revolvers, what kind of luck have you had in getting a barrel that is not either over or under clocked? I am trying to figure out what the chances are of getting a canted barrel on a new gun, maybe 30 to 50%? Too bad that we have to be concerned about a QC issue like this on a new gun.
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I understand that any barrel within +/- 5 degrees is in tolerance. I think that is a ridiculously loose tolerance for something that was made so carefully up to that point.

I wouldn't want a gun that I could look at and say, "The barrel's crooked".
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You can always send it back to be straightened.

Last month I received a 640 Pro Series as a replacement gun from the factory and it showed up with a clocked barrel. Aggravating, but they straightened it. You'll just have to ship it back and wait several additional weeks.

Tweaked barrels come in cycles. Last year several gun shops in my area had 686s with clocked barrels. I couldn't find a straight one. Now it is the opposite, they all seem to be straight.

I guess the 686 barrel torquing machine was readjusted, but apparently the 640 barrel machine isn't due for calibration yet. It is anybody's guess on the 617 or 629 barrel machines!

Again, if you get a bent one you can send it back and they'll straighten it. Good luck and keep us posted.

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I had them fix the canted barrel on an M60 I bought new last year. No problem, and they fixed it fast.

If I was going to order a gun from the factory that was hard to find locally, I'd just go ahead and do it.

Then if it came canted, I'd send it back, since I know they will fix it free and quickly.

It's a PITA, but that way you get what you want.
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I bought a new 617 two weeks ago and a 69 about 4 months ago and there are no problems with either one.
They actually seem to be quite well put together, and I'm quite pleased with both.
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I recently bought a 629 4" that I'm very happy with now. When I bought it, I inspected it and 2 others and chose the best of the three. One had a clocked barrel sight, the other had much more "meat" on one side of the frame than the other where the barrel is threaded on. I got mine home and found it shot a foot to the left and had to crank the rear sight to the right as far as it would go to get a zero. I had to send it back twice before it was properly fixed. It can be maddening trying to get a new S&W that is near acceptable these days. It's actually kind of sad. Again, they'll most likely fix it but get ready to call, send it back, call again and complain, etc, etc. Gone are the days where you could just buy one from the cabinet and take it home knowing its properly built, shoots, doesn't bind the cylinder, is properly timed, etc. Again, I love mine now and wont ever part with it...mostly because of how hard it was to finally be happy with it. I would never buy a new S&W unseen if I were you...not unless huge changes happen at that company. They need to up their Quality Control and increase their labor skills but people keep buying so where is their motivation? I know this sounds like a scathing review of S&W..and maybe it is, but I don't mean it to be. I really like a nice, properly made and produced S&W revolver. I'm just frustrated customer who went through hell to get what I paid $800 for. If I were you I'd wait and buy one in person...and bring a straight edge, bore laser, and feeler gauges with you. If I did it over again, I would contact a bunch of reputable revolver smiths and see if they may have what you're looking for, and that they've already gone through and corrected issues on. Another way, and I've only seen this once is...a local gun shop here did a "S&W" days where they had a trailer that you could try out and shoot different S&W guns in. You could try one and verify it before buying. I dont know if this was put on by S&W or the shop but being able to try it first sounded great to me when I heard about it. Good luck in your search and decision.
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You only here about the one's that are clocked. And it seems that the guys who are most hypercritical would never be happy even if it was perfect.

"bring a straight edge, bore laser, and feeler gauges with you" Really I thought all the imperfections stood out like a sore thumb?

I have bought 2 new S&W's within the last 3 months a 327 TRR8 & a 627 V-comp both are perfect as far as I can tell.

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I understand that any barrel within +/- 5 degrees is in tolerance. I think that is a ridiculously loose tolerance for something that was made so carefully up to that point.

I wouldn't want a gun that I could look at and say, "The barrel's crooked".
Wow, 5-degrees is hard to believe. I was able to get a decent measurement on my Ruger GP100 and it is right at 1-degree and it is visually noticeable - although I did not catch it when I bought the gun, was not familiar with canted barrels at that time. However, the sight picture does not look bad, i.e., the front sight blade looks pretty near vertical in the fixed rear sight notch, but you can see just a little bit of overclock where the barrel meets the frame.

A 5-degree cant would be gross looking - hard to believe something that bad would get past QC.

Due to the lack of inventory locally, I will probably end up rolling the dice and order one from Buds or Davidsons (when & if they become available) and see what it looks like before accepting it. They both have return policies where they pay shipping back to them if you find a defect upon delivery.
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I have said before, and will say again, that the "problem" is MUCH overstated, likely brought about by the fact that the internet allows those who have experienced the problem to reach far more individuals with the complaint, which gives the appearance that the problem is bigger than it really is.

In addition, some people are prone to complain about every little machine mark, every tiny "imperfection" and yet they want to pay "Chevrolet" price for "Rolls-Royce" attention to detail. S&Ws are mass produced, not hand built. If you want hand built, go buy a Korth with your $3,995.00, if you are happy with their base model. If not, $6,258.00 will buy the top of the line Korth.*

Finally, some people see things that are just not there in any real sense (ever wonder why we don't see pictures of the supposed canted barrel in most of the complaint threads?). I try to ask for pictures when I see such a thread, and there are not often any takers.

Finally, when you see how barrels are installed, it is amazing to me that barrels are not canted far more often than reported. To get the barrel/cylinder gap correct, along with the correct torque, and at the same time have the front sight be exactly straight up and down is quite a problem, and for S&W to be able to mass produce in this fashion with as few problems as they have is evidence of fantastic engineering and quality control.

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I recently bought a 686 and a 627. No problems. One bought from a LGS and the other from Osage County thru gunbroker.
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I'm far from an expert, but can say this has been an amazingly good month for my gun acquisitions. I'm so thankful for that after my wife and I losing our careers last year.

My revolvers all got the once-over, but were never checked for this 'cant' issue. I'm not even going to give it a second thought or check any of them. My 'old' job was a product reviewer for broadcast equipment. I can't tell you how much 'forum fever' has effected good products. The problem is that as always, since the beginning of time, a product imperfection hits the market. In the old days, it was simply corrected by the 'good companies' and that was that. Today, if an imperfect product hits the market, photos and threads are instantly spread around the world and you would think there was a pandemic.

Just my own opinion, but if I wanted a 617 (mine is a fantastic piece, ...IL and all), I wouldn't even consider the 'cant' issue. When I received it, I'd give it the once-over, take it to the range and have a blast. There are just too many other things to worry about. For all I know, I have a safe full of canted guns. Don't know.

Maybe I sounded too soap-boxy there, so apologize. For every problem posted, there are probably hundreds, maybe thousands of (close to) perfect models being enjoyed.

Just my opinion. I hope you get a lifetime of use and enjoyment from your future 617!
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I have only seen one badly clocked barrel in my years of fondling these wonderful revolvers. It was a M-14 in the early 70's that a store clerk showed me before he sent it back. It was grossly out of index, probably 10 degrees. I own a M-29 that is at first glance slightly off, but close inspection shows a front sight slightly bent, dropped perhaps. Both these are pre-Bangor Punta guns when QC mattered. It baffles me how one can get out the door in this condition and I would bet that only a very few do. The assembler only has to align the barrel ribs or lugs within a broad range of torques, then face off the barrel breach to get the cylinder gap correct. Not too big a trick if you have a few million trial runs to get dimensions and torque values. I've wondered if barrels ever un-wind. Somebody at S&W must have thought it could happen in the old days or they wouldn't have pinned the barrel, or maybe the pin allowed them to index the barrel within a wide range of torque values. Whatever the cause I'll bet it's a quick fix at the S&W shop with frame vises and barrel wrenches close at hand. If I had to send one back I would check cylinder gap before I let them "fix" it to make sure they did it right.
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I have purchased two new Smiths in the past month, a M-686 Plus-6 and a M-67-5 both have barrels that are spot on. Both of these guns were bought online at Davidson's Gallery of Guns. The only complaint I have is that the M-67 has a couple of dings on the front sight shelf that holds the sight.
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I've shot S&W revolvers for over 40 years. I can't tell visually whether or not a barrel is over or under clocked one or two degrees. Five degrees may be a different story.

I have always figured that adjustable sights would take care of minor assembly issues anyway.

If it bothers you, use customer service and send it back in on their dime.
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I left a 686 off at the gunsmith to have the barrel sawn off, back when 5" was allowed by IDPA, and a Weigand interchangeable blade ramp installed. He was so annoyed by the canted barrel that he milled the top rib flat and square before putting on the ramp. It doesn't look stock any more, but the sights are square.
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I purchased a new revolver from a local store last year, and when they got the non "display' model out of the back room, the barrel was visibly canted. They had another that I purchased.

Yes the problem is real, and still happens. I would make a wild guess of 5% of new revolvers.

I believe the main reason S&W has been introducing more shrouded barrel designs is to avoid this very issue.
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In addition to the above responses, having purchased several (my wife says "many") firearms through the Internet, I have a few additional thoughts on this subject:

1. I am not sure whether or not the seller has an obligation to disclose this fact in the listing. However, I certainly would, and a seller certainly should. Negative feedback regarding a non-disclosed firearm defect can be a "wooden stake through the heart" for any seller. After I have completed the required documents at my LGS I have one of the most knowledgeable people there go over the firearm with me before I walk out. If not disclosed, this is another opportunity to identify this problem, if it exists. He and I identified a Model 57 with a "trigger action job" that was never disclosed. The seller allowed me to return it for a full refund.

2. If this is a risk or concern for any buyer, I would certainly make a specific inquiry of the seller about it in the "pre-bid" questions. No matter what the listing states, I always send an e-mail to the seller or call before I start bidding regarding my own "hot buttons" - 1) trigger job or action, 2) excessive barrel-cylinder gap, undisclosed mechanical issues, 3) excessive cylinder play, etc. I have several Model 25s and I always asked the sellers about the possibility of oversized cylinder throats before I bid. They never complained to me about my request. As a seller, this has never been a "PITA Issue", resolving these possible issues before a buyer bids is far better than attempting to resolve these issues post-sale.

3. Although we all have a difference of opinion regarding the responsiveness and timely resolution of warranty issues by the OEM, I believe that, for the most part, they are eventually resolved in our favor. The S&W Holding Company sales and profits are on the rise. That would not happen if it were not for us.
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I recently purchased a Model 69 and couldn't be more please with the workmanship and more importantly, accuracy.

The Model 69's two piece barrel is engineered/designed so that it is impossible to ever be canted. The outside of the barrel is simply a shroud that is keyed into a notch on the frame. The inside of the barrel is then threaded into the outside shroud.

It appears the Model 66-8 (I've never seen one in person) utilizes the same design which now has me lusting after one of those too. This excellent design feature is dangerous to my financial health!!!
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In the last year or two, I've added a Mdl 60 and a Mdl 640, both of which are perfect. The Mdl 432 I bought recently has a shrouded barrel, which looks pretty good and as mentioned is built in such a way as to avoid the canted barrel problem.

I'd be very interested in someone assessing the strength, durability, and accuracy of the shrouded barrel setup versus the traditional one-piece barrel, which might be a suitable topic for another thread [I don't want to hijack or divert this thread]. When I first saw the 619 and 620, I was pretty sure I didn't like them, but I have to admit the new Model 66 is appealing. Is there a significant disadvantage to the shrouded barrel? It appears there is at least one big advantage, both for S&W and the customer, as this thread indicates.
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I've purchased 10 new S&W revolvers this year. Only two of them had any problems. A 629 6" is very slightly canted, enough to need the sight adjusted a few clicks to the right. Everything else about it, including the accuracy, is fine so I'm not sending it in.

The other is a 67-5. Its barrel was canted enough to need the rear sight adjusted about half way between centered and full right. That bothered me enough to send it in. They fixed it right quick and it was perfect when I got it back.

I agree with 686 SSR, my M 69 is flawless as is my 66-8. There must be something good about the newer shrouded barrel designs. On a good vision day, my 69 is just as accurate the 629 6". My 66-8 is my most accurate 4" 38/357 and is real close to my most accurate revolver of all, a TRR 8.
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My experience was that in the past, the only guns left in the handgun case at the LGS were models with canted barrels, because folks passed on them while buying all the good ones. Same with online dealers....seemed most folks using them were getting canted barrels. I assume this is because many of those guns had been returned/refused previously and they were the only inventory left. Wasn't too long ago it was a surprise to see any new Smith in a display case. Add to the fact that demand has slowed and so has production. More time to do things right the first time. Seems in the majority of cases when folks got a barrel canted to the point they couldn't live with it, S&W was happy to fix it. I think the newer two piece barrels that come on many of the new smiths has eliminated the canting also.
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I agree with 686 SSR, my M 69 is flawless as is my 66-8. There must be something good about the newer shrouded barrel designs...
Yes. It is fundamental to the design.

A shrouded barrel divorces the angle that the barrel is tight from the point the sight is vertical, in that they are literally on different parts. Or perhaps that was your point.

I don't happen to own any shrouded barrel revolvers, but the other claim, often made by Dan Wesson, is that the barrel tube is now in tension, supported only at the ends, and of consistent round cross-section. This results in more consistent "ringing" of the barrel, similar to how rifle designers are always worried about the bedding and free floating of barrels.

I can't shoot well enough for this theory to make any difference to me... Some have claimed that shrouded barrels more frequently come loose. I have never seen any hard data on this, which only a gun manufacturer would have from warranty, so it may not be true.

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I ordered a 686 from Lipseys and when it came in it had an under clocked barrel cant. I did post pictures of it. Sent it straight back to Lipseys and after the LGS after some looking found me a 686 PC model and ordered it for me (he could not find another 686 at the time and I gave him a list and this is the first one to show up ) when it came in it was perfect. So they are probably hit and miss with most of them being perfect.
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I am the original OP. About 2 months ago (late July 2015), an LGS received a shipment of 11 new 686 Plus models. They brought all 11 boxes out and sat them down on the counter, and told me to take my pick. All 11 had perfectly straight barrels, but all 11 were noticeably scratched up. Seems that S&W is paying more attention to the barrels, but are being a little sloppy about how they are being handled on the production line, hence all the dings in the metal.
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I am the original OP. About 2 months ago (late July 2015), an LGS received a shipment of 11 new 686 Plus models. They brought all 11 boxes out and sat them down on the counter, and told me to take my pick. All 11 had perfectly straight barrels, but all 11 were noticeably scratched up. Seems that S&W is paying more attention to the barrels, but are being a little sloppy about how they are being handled on the production line, hence all the dings in the metal.
My new 686 Plus 3" that is at the LGS during the 10 day waiting period as we speak, is all scratched up, just as you are describing. When I first pulled it out of the box to examine it I thought Sportsmans Outdoor Superstore had accidently sent me a used gun, it is scratched up so bad. It's not a huge deal, because I plan on sending it in for the Combat Revolver Package anyways, so it'll come back glass beaded.

On the other hand, it has an incredibly noticeable canted barrel. On a short 3" barrel, that's saying something. When I look through the rear sights the top of the front sight post sits at an angle. I've had about 5 or so S&W revolvers over the years and this is the second very visibly canted barrel that I've bought from them. I totally agree with the folks who say that the internet blows the percentage of problems out of the water, due to being such an easy source of sharing complaints. On the other hand, I've noticed a disturbing trend of people who have never had an issue coming across as disbelieving of those who have. It's easy to ignore an issue that has never happened to you, and to say it doesn't exist.

As I said, 2 canted barrels out of 5 revolvers is not a minor thing. Add to that the fact that I don't stress over minor cosmetic issues. But in this case the issue is not cosmetic because I want to put a set of fixed aftermarket iron sights on it, and a canted barrel obviously can't be adjusted for with fixed sights. So at the end of the day, I plan on sending it to the Performance Center for the package, and also telling them I expect it to be straight when I get it back.

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My new 686 Plus 3" that is at the LGS during the 10 day waiting period as we speak, is all scratched up, just as you are describing. When I first pulled it out of the box to examine it I thought Sportsmans Outdoor Superstore had accidently sent me a used gun, it is scratched up so bad. It's not a huge deal, because I plan on sending it in for the Combat Revolver Package anyways, so it'll come back glass beaded.

On the other hand, it has an incredibly noticeable canted barrel. On a short 3" barrel, that's saying something. When I look through the rear sights the top of the front sight post sits at an angle. I've had about 5 or so S&W revolvers over the years and this is the second very visibly canted barrel that I've bought from them. I totally agree with the folks who say that the internet blows the percentage of problems out of the water, due to being such an easy source of sharing complaints. On the other hand, I've noticed a disturbing trend of people who have never had an issue coming across as disbelieving of those who have. It's easy to ignore an issue that has never happened to you, and to say it doesn't exist.

As I said, 2 canted barrels out of 5 revolvers is not a minor thing. Add to that the fact that I don't stress over minor cosmetic issues. But in this case the issue is not cosmetic because I want to put a set of fixed aftermarket iron sights on it, and a canted barrel obviously can't be adjusted for with fixed sights. So at the end of the day, I plan on sending it to the Performance Center for the package, and also telling them I expect it to be straight when I get it back.
In 2015 I bought my first three new Smith & Wesson revolvers, two from Buds (686+ PC and 586 Classic 4") and one from Sportsmans Outdoor Superstore (Model 66). All three had canted barrels. The 686 was sent back in May and came back fixed 3 weeks later. I refused to take ownership of the 586 (lots of other issues) and had the FFL send it back. I sent my 66 back for several issues including the canted barrel/misaligned top serrations 12 days ago, and have yet to hear anything other than an email that they "received" it 6 days after they actually did. They have issues, and personally, I'm tired of them.
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I bought a M69 with the two piece barrel. An extremely nice revolver and I like the design. Perfect barrel alignment. So, I went and bought M66.
It has a canted barrel that is enough out of whack that the rear sight is adjusted 16 clicks to the left and group size is twice that of my M60. Sad but true. It's going back to the mothership.
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To me, all 686s look like the outsides were finished by preschoolers with 24 grit sandpaper.
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You can always send it back to be straightened.

Last month I received a 640 Pro Series as a replacement gun from the factory and it showed up with a clocked barrel. Aggravating, but they straightened it. You'll just have to ship it back and wait several additional weeks.

Tweaked barrels come in cycles. Last year several gun shops in my area had 686s with clocked barrels. I couldn't find a straight one. Now it is the opposite, they all seem to be straight.

I guess the 686 barrel torquing machine was readjusted, but apparently the 640 barrel machine isn't due for calibration yet. It is anybody's guess on the 617 or 629 barrel machines!

Again, if you get a bent one you can send it back and they'll straighten it. Good luck and keep us posted.

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Can somebody explain how they could possibly let a gun leave the factory like that?
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Edmo suggests that there is a "torquing machine" for the barrels. Nope, it's just a big guy with a wrench and a vice. There's a video of the Performance Center on-line. I couldn't believe my eyes.
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In 2015 I bought my first three new Smith & Wesson revolvers, two from Buds (686+ PC and 586 Classic 4") and one from Sportsmans Outdoor Superstore (Model 66). All three had canted barrels.
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I went and bought M66.
It has a canted barrel that is enough out of whack that the rear sight is adjusted 16 clicks to the left and group size is twice that of my M60. Sad but true. It's going back to the mothership.
I'm blown away that you guys have both had Model 66's with canted barrels. I thought the whole reason behind going to the two-piece barrel is that they aren't prone to canting problems. I can easily see why putting a barrel on perfectly straight as a solid, one piece unit would be tough with the right amount of torque. I simply can't understand how a two-piece barrel can be canted. That seems overly sloppy to me.
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Two-piece barrels can get over-clocked by over-tightening the barrel within the outer sleeve -- the torque crushes and peens the centering tab to the edge of its slot. The metal is deformed in the process.
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Two-piece barrels can get over-clocked by over-tightening the barrel within the outer sleeve -- the torque crushes and peens the centering tab to the edge of its slot. The metal is deformed in the process.
Exactly! Here's a photo of what has been described, and the canting:


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Ashlander and bigfatty,

Thank you for the valuable posts.

This is a completely different failure mode than with a canted single piece barrel.

This is simply an embarrassment for S&W.

Their design engineering department should have chosen a tab geometry adequate to ensure no yielding at the high end of the torque tolerance, while manufacturing should easily be able to control torque with a commonly available DC tool, with error proofing. This is a much easier challenge than a traditional single piece barrel installation (which is a completely different problem).

I don't know if S&W design or manufacturing is at fault, but either is an amateurish mistake. (I love S&W revolvers, which is why I want them to improve!)

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I have a new 686 3" coming my way shortly. Two of my three S&W's were sightly clocked. My 640 was the worst, I sent that back to the mothership, and it came back within micrometers (if that) of being perfect. My NM66 is off by not quite half a groove. I'm not completely OK with it, but it's dead-on at the range, so I'm leaving it alone. My other NM66, which has a more current 2015 build date than my 2014 66, is perfectly aligned.

Really, really hoping for a straight barrel when the 686 is delivered to my FFL. <crossing fingers>
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Really, really hoping for a straight barrel when the 686 is delivered to my FFL. <crossing fingers>
I would hope that S&W would take this simple message seriously. I hate talking about stuff like this about my favorite gun manufacturer. It's like buying a nice car and having the hood visibly crooked and having to look at it every time you drive it. What's more, take it back to the dealer and they say that it's 'in spec'.
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With the pictured gun being off 1/2 a groove, does it still shoot to point of aim? I could not imagine it being many degrees from the proper position and a sight adjustment should correct the problem although it should not have come that way.

You can see the damage to the key seat in your pictures, so somebody really put the torque or a shock to it during installation. Stainless resists compression very well.
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What's more, take it back to the dealer and they say that it's 'in spec'.
I agree, being told it is "in spec" is aggravating. What is even more aggravating is when the customer service rep for a major firearms company basically calls you a liar when you describe the problem with the gun. I had that happen with a well known and respected company (although with a poor customer service reputation), I told them that the first range trip with my new rifle, the bolt handle literally fell off in my hand while closing the bolt during normal firing. The rep told me almost straight out that I was lying, and that I mush have been "banging the stock on the ground, trying to get a stuck shell case out with the bolt handle". I told him I was gently closing the bolt. He told me to ship the rifle to them so they could "see what really happened", and that I was going to have to pay shipping both ways. I told him that he was smoking crack (a little more politely), and that his supervisor would likely be more receptive than he was.

After two more phone calls to two levels of supervisors, I was apologized to profusely (they said they'd actually listened to my initial call), they sent me shipping labels for both directions, and put a new bolt on and test fired it. After looking at the bolt handle it was clear it had been welded on exceptionally poorly.

Long story short, it sure leaves a sour taste in your mouth when a company doesn't stand behind their products. On the opposite end of the spectrum you have companies like SIG and LaRue Tactical, who go WAY above and beyond when it comes to customer service issues.
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With the pictured gun being off 1/2 a groove, does it still shoot to point of aim? I could not imagine it being many degrees from the proper position and a sight adjustment should correct the problem although it should not have come that way.

You can see the damage to the key seat in your pictures, so somebody really put the torque or a shock to it during installation. Stainless resists compression very well.
It's off by more than half a groove; look at how the ends of the lines on the frame serrations veer off left, instead of going straight at the ends. It's a major annoyance to look at, and would kill the resale value should I ever decide to sell it. I didn't fire the gun. I emailed S&W pictures immediately, got no response, then called them the following Monday and initiated the pickup process. It also has numerous dings and gouges, and is missing the front sight pin. Due to the canting, the edge of the barrel shroud is protruding into the ejector rod channel. And, of course, you've seen the pic as to the damaged "key seat" you mentioned. Lastly, there are circular scratch lines (like you'd see on a fired cylinder) along the ejector rod, a bit below the knob. When pushing the rod in, it starts meeting resistance 75-80% down. I tried that out when I saw the scratches, since it is obviously hitting something inside the cylinder. I oiled it, and it didn't help. Slight bend in the rod somewhere?

No way I'd accept this, so why bother firing it? It went right back.

EDIT (to add): No, by eye sight the front blade didn't appear to be extremely off left. If that were the only defect, and it wasn't a two piece barrel with the mismatched serrations, damage and protrusion into the ejector rod channel, I probably would've tried adjusting the sight to the right to see if it fired reasonable groups and keeping it if it did. But, I know that if I were looking to buy a used revolver and saw those serrations ... instant deal breaker on a used gun.

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I agree, being told it is "in spec" is aggravating. What is even more aggravating is when the customer service rep for a major firearms company basically calls you a liar when you describe the problem with the gun. I had that happen with a well known and respected company (although with a poor customer service reputation), I told them that the first range trip with my new rifle, the bolt handle literally fell off in my hand while closing the bolt during normal firing. The rep told me almost straight out that I was lying, and that I mush have been "banging the stock on the ground, trying to get a stuck shell case out with the bolt handle". I told him I was gently closing the bolt. He told me to ship the rifle to them so they could "see what really happened", and that I was going to have to pay shipping both ways. I told him that he was smoking crack (a little more politely), and that his supervisor would likely be more receptive than he was.

After two more phone calls to two levels of supervisors, I was apologized to profusely (they said they'd actually listened to my initial call), they sent me shipping labels for both directions, and put a new bolt on and test fired it. After looking at the bolt handle it was clear it had been welded on exceptionally poorly.

Long story short, it sure leaves a sour taste in your mouth when a company doesn't stand behind their products. On the opposite end of the spectrum you have companies like SIG and LaRue Tactical, who go WAY above and beyond when it comes to customer service issues.
I've owned a LOT of Sigs. Never a problem with their classic series 226 or 220, but I had huge problems with several 1911's and P938's ... the vast majority of them, in fact. However, Sig took ownership of the problems and either properly fixed or replaced the problem guns. Still a pain in the butt, but you know they'll take care of you.

Sadly, it looks like they've all thrown QC out the window and are using customers for that purpose, so the quality of gun manufacturer's customer service and repair departments are becoming the measuring stick of a "good" company. Pretty pathetic, if you ask me.
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Sadly, it looks like they've all thrown QC out the window and are using customers for that purpose, so the quality of gun manufacturer's customer service and repair departments are becoming the measuring stick of a "good" company. Pretty pathetic, if you ask me.
Exactly how US auto manufacturers acted in the 1980's and prior.

In that case, massive loss of market share resulted in great increases in quality over the next 20 years.
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Sorry but these canted barrels are just piss poor workmanship.

WAKE UP S&W!!!
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Exactly how US auto manufacturers acted in the 1980's and prior.

In that case, massive loss of market share resulted in great increases in quality over the next 20 years.
I haven't purchased a American car because of quality problems since 1999(jeep wrangler) no new Chevy since 1988. Thank God for quality cars from Japan. Hint the American car quality like GM hasn't changed. I'm think a new cobra mustang next. Or a Audi or Subaru awd.
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The wanted barrels aren't less frequent it's less buyers with new guns.
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I just picked up a 69 today and my notch looks even worse than that. The whole shroud has probably 1/8 to 3/16 slop from side to side. One side of the tab is visibly bent outward/downward allowing the movement. Didn't catch it until I got it home, it was a Davidson's and I'd already paid in full. Shocking it made it past QC. It's just tight enough with the cylinder in that I missed it until I was checking a couple speedloaders. With the cylinder open it actually RATTLES.
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I am currently battling Smith and Wesson to get my canted barrel fixed on my 586 Classic Reproduction. It went back to the factory two weeks ago for a canted barrel and a large bur on the frame (poor machining of the frame).

They fixes the bur and reblued the whole gun. Looks great. Barrel is still canted. We will see if they fix it. They called me and said I need to send them pictures, so basically they don't believe me. Pretty frustrating and disgusting for over 800 bucks spent on a revolver.


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The model 69 I purchased a few months ago had a canted barrel.

Had to adjust the rear sight as far as it would go to the right to get it to shoot to point of aim for windage. The front sight was also too short.

I sent it back to S&W. Problem fixed, but the serrations on the frame and barrel don't line up.

It doesn't bother me; for me it is just a shooter. It shoots great, so the looks don't matter to me much. Others would have a different opinion.
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New to the S&W Forum - It sounds like a lot of folks have had this problem: Well, first of all, I did buy this on Gunbroker, so I guess I deserve it. Picked up my brand new 629 4" yesterday and when I got it home and looked, the barrel was obviously canted off vertical. Being a little OCD about my guns, I freaked out. I called S&W and they told me that their tolerance is now up to 2 degrees off vertical. The barrels are torqued in until the machine detects the right tension - but the tolerance is up to 2 degrees!! He said that the gun had been test fired and the cant should not affect function. I can literally see that the front sight leans over to the right a bit. Drives me crazy. I may take it to a local smith who is very good (pistol smith of the year by the Pistol Smiths Guild several times). Why do I have a feeling that he will do a better job than S&W, even if it does cost me more money. One of the reasons I bought the gun on line is that the price was great for a brand new gun. Guess I know why now. There goes my great price!
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I have looked at over 40 new S&W 686s and 617s during the past year and the number with canted barrels is probably on the order of 50%. So, what you just described with the new tolerance being up to 2 degrees pretty much explains why I was seeing so many canted barrels. Also, the way they put ribbing on top of the frame and the barrel really makes it stand out, i.e., the offset in the ribbing really becomes obvious. Yes, their engineering and manufacturing should be able to do better than this.

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