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2 wrongs sometimes makes it right
I think this is funny as all get out... mainly because all I can do is laugh at the absurdity of it.
1st wrong... this recently acquired 625-8 JM. Like many of the current revolvers, S&W can't seem to get the barrels on where they aren't over tightened and cant the front sight to the left. Rather than immediately send it back, I took it to the range and found that while the front sight leaned to the left in the rear sight notch, I could shoot it pretty decently.
After seeing how many people have sent their guns back to S&W only to have them returned with frame wrench marks and nothing much else to show for it, I decided that it wasn't worth the cat & mouse game a number of people have played with S&W service to little satisfaction, and decided to just put up with it since it shoots well.
2nd wrong... I hated the gold bead front sight, so I bought a green Hi-Viz. Holy cow, it has an issue too, When viewed from the muzzle end it's leaning slightly to the left (from the rear it would be toward the right). The factory sight blade didn't do that.
Which in turn, has made everything right... a nicely aligned, parallel front sight in the rear sight notch, I can't wait to try it out at the range!!
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Some screw-ups can be cancelled out to make it right, huh?
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Good thing they put the rear sight on straight...or did they? Please let us know how it shoots.
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You stepped in it twice and came out smelling like a rose. That just doesn't happen to me. Hope it works out and shoots well.
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This is a recently acquired 'new' gun from Smith? Makes me shake my head.
Looks like HiViz could be a little wider to fill the rear sight notch up?
Does that muzzle crown look OK to you? Almost looks chipped up in the image to me.......I hope not!
I hope you and the quirks of this gun can come together and be on target, curious on the outcome Good luck!
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This is a recently acquired 'new' gun from Smith? Makes me shake my head.
Looks like HiViz could be a little wider to fill the rear sight notch up?
Does that muzzle crown look OK to you? Almost looks chipped up in the image to me.......I hope not!
I hope you and the quirks of this gun can come together and be on target, curious on the outcome Good luck!
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It's a 625-8 JM that I've only had for a few months and out to the range once, when I decided that the gold bead front sight that came with it had to go.
The Hi-Viz front sight, I just got and installed it today. The camera makes it look much narrower than what it really is.
Yes... the crown looks to have burrs from the rifling process, it was not that evident until the burnt gun powder highlighted it. I'm going to fix that myself, I have an crowning reamer from Brownells.
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Tell folks how your friend Jerry M did you a favor and set up your gun like his with his secret sights that adjust for the Coriolis Effect due to the rotation of the earth. Yea, that's the ticket.
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I'm taking the high road here.
Hopefully it shoots straight for ya. I suspect you missed these things when you purchased it but I don't think I could live with it unless she's hitting squarely. I guess the good news is it's under warranty should you go that route.
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I'm taking the high road here.
Hopefully it shoots straight for ya. I suspect you missed these things when you purchased it but I don't think I could live with it unless she's hitting squarely. I guess the good news is it's under warranty should you go that route.
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I have to plead guilty of not catching the issues with the barrel when I bought... caulk it up to only buying 2 IL guns in the last 17 years, with the 625-8 JM being the second one.
I just haven't gotten into the habit of remembering the need these days to go over a brand new gun with a fine tooth comb, I'm still used to the days of not needing to give that a second thought when buying a S&W.
It does shoot straight, I was happy with that from the start and reason why I was less inclined to send it back, but the rear sight blade did need to be cranked way over to the left to shoot center... I'm hoping that the next range session will find me cranking it back to the right and having the rear blade centered in the sight.
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Hindsight is something else isn't it.
I was at my LGS yesterday and Smith must have made a run of PC revolvers as they had the 627, 629, 686 on the shelves. I looked at the bloodwork 627 and thought it looked good. The barrel looked mounted right but I could have missed something just the same.
I've wanted one for a long time when they weren't available, and was real tempted since I was selling and had cash in hand. Im thinking on it though.
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my father always said " Two wrongs do not make a right... but two wrights made an airplane..."
good luck on your next range trip...
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That's funny!...LOL
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Settling for poor quality is not in my nature. When a manufacturer is not held accountable for their lack of quality control, they will continue same. Lifetime warranties don't make up it for either. I have not bought a new gun from S&W since 1993, and there are none in my future. Of the last four revolvers I purchased, the "newest" was made in 1956, and the quality of them is superb.
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^^^^^^ was just going to post that
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I was going to do both.. but that would just be greedy...lol
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After reading just how many people here on this site alone have canted barrels and cock-eyed sights you would think the Factory would get the message and rectify this after so many complaints. Guess they find it acceptable.
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You'd think the JM editions would be nothing less than perfect.
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Like I have always said " All the planning in the world could never account for dumb luck "
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Mine was ... right after getting the forcing cone cut and polished.
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I've been neglectful in reporting back after my range session... actually not too neglectful, it's taken me a bit to finally get out to the range what with my work schedule.
Well, the 625-8 was a much happier experience after I readjusted the rear sight for the "realigned" front sight blade. The gun shot well like my previous time out, it was just difficult to quickly get a good sight picture, but this time it was no different than shooting my other guns... easy to line up on target with the proper and clear sight alignment.
The guys at the LGS with the indoor range I shoot at had a good chuckle when I showed them the gun... and then after I remarked how funny it was that I had bought both the gun and then the lopsided Hi-Viz sight from them, and the two ended up cancelling each other out... my range time that day was Gratis, sweet.
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This is a recently acquired 'new' gun from Smith? Makes me shake my head.
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Just pitiful. What does it take these days to get something made right the first time???
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That is unacceptable quality control at S&W. I do not find this situation amusing, but rather sad and unsettling.
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Hindsight
This is why my last new S&W was a M41 purchased in 1983. I buy used guns, check them carefully for barrel/cylinder gap, headspace with resized & no primer brass, hammer push off, and barrel frame alignment.
Went to my gunsmith buddy to fix one L-frame barrel problem. I got so excited about the price that the checks were skipped. I feel your pain.
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2 wrongs definitely don't make it RIGHT, might make it acceptable to some but definitely not right.
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For what it's worth, I own a Model 58 with a pinned barrel that dates to the 70s. The barrel is slightly over clocked, but it shoots right on POA.
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Perhaps it's the rule of compensating errors that makes some accounting issues seem to be gone. My advice: with your luck you should buy a lottery ticket. My front sight would have leaned the other way.
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Mine is perfect, but I think I'll change the front sight.
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Another overclocked/misaligned barrel
Dusting off this old thread after receiving my new Model-48 that's clearly 'over clocked'. The front site post looks like the leaning ‘Tower of Pisa’. Initially I thought maybe the front sight was possibly bent but when I opened the cylinder it was obvious the barrel was misaligned clockwise to match the offset of the front sight.
I called Smith& Wesson and they immediately sent me a prepaid FedEx return label so that was nice. It’s a bit disappointing since I waited a few weeks for this to come in, only to have to return it for resolution. I’ve purchased new copies of the 640 and 351PD with no problems so I wouldn’t have imagined that something like this was possible. Oh well, just decided to share since this thread is still relevant.
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Quality comes from the top down. Who is the current CEO of Smith and Wesson? I am certainly not beyond dropping him a line. I am in line with a few posters above. This is just sad.
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more to say...
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My first Smith' was a Model-28 from 1973 when I was a deputy and it was very well made, and I've had a few others over the years. Since I enjoy upgrading a revolver from time to time, I choose new models so as not to hack a collectable. That practice is now over.
In this particular case the price also made sense. Still, I'm shocked with the poor craftsmanship. When I was checking the barrel from the cylinder window, I rubbed my finger over the barrel face because I thought there was some debris on it. When I did, it sliced my finger due to a burr of metal left over from when they cut the barrel. It was large enough to cause a gouge into the forward cylinder face. This is certainly not what I expected from a S&W with an MSRP near the 1k mark.
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Settling for poor quality is not in my nature. When a manufacturer is not held accountable for their lack of quality control, they will continue same. Lifetime warranties don't make up it for either. I have not bought a new gun from S&W since 1993, and there are none in my future. Of the last four revolvers I purchased, the "newest" was made in 1956, and the quality of them is superb.
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The other 100,000 purchasers never wrote anything on the internet because everything was good to go.
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Ha! There appears to be a method to S&W's madness I recently purchased a brass bead partridge sight that was likewise a bit cock-eyed, but to no advantage for me, as the barrel on my 66-2 was installed correctly in the first place. Ultimately, I found that dealing with S&W's customer service was more aggravating and time-consuming than the refunded cost of the purchase was worth. Hope it works out for you in the end.
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