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So I'm in the market for a revolver that will be my primary (I only want to carry one) and only CCW. Obviously this means a few things:
1) I need to be very proficient with it. To include presentation from concealment and reloading, of course.
2) I need to actually carry it every day and hide it on my person. I hate IWB with a revolver, but OWB is not very hidden usually, especially in warm weather. I guess that leaves ankle or pocket carry.
3) I'd like it to have more than 5 shots but will concede this if it's not keeping in line with above (2).

I've heard the best carry revolvers were the 3" RB K-frames but they seem rather large for EDC in the real world. Probably not very comfortable either for all-day concealment.
So am I stuck with a J-frame? If so, which one? I like the heft of the all-steel vs alloy/poly types... and that should help with gaining proficiency, as it will be more shooter friendly. Of course, that means an extra 4-5 oz of weight to lug around.
What does the S&W lineup (to include obtainable discontinued models) have for me?
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I've pocket carried an alloy (lightweight) J frame for well over 40 years. If you want 6 shots look on the used market for a Colt Cobra, but they are expensive. There are drawbacks to the J, limited ammo on board, difficult to shoot and so on. Plan on plenty of regular practice w/your gun and carry extra ammo in a speed strip. For the normal non law enforcement person these guns are something you will be sure to have with you. Get the 2" model as longer barrels are difficult to pocket carry.
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Thanks Old cop. I appreciate the advice; I'd like to keep it in the S&W family though. I've been through Rugers, an LCRx and several SP-101s as well as a few Taurus M85s. Carrying the light weight ones was nice, but shooting them sucked. The SP-101s were great to shoot but way too big and heavy for 5 shots IMO. Plus I see no need for a .357 with a barrel length of less than 3" (preferably 4" or longer). Anyway, I'm kind of torn right now between a 442 and a 36.

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Old 10-21-2015, 09:26 AM
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With plenty of practice either the S&W J Frame or the Ruger LCR should do the job for you. Look into a Mika holster for pocket carry.
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I like the 642 for pocket carry. It is not that difficult to learn to shoot. Just get a set of grips that are comfortable to shoot.
I have Taurus grips on mine.
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For what you describe, I don't think you can do better than a 640 no dash! I have both the no dash (38 Special) and the 640-1 (357). I love them both - 640 in the pocket and -1 IWB. I think I have a hole in my hip where the cylinder rides.
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As Oldcop says, it's almost an article of faith that the 2-inch airweight Centennial models are the standard by which all other small carry revolvers are judged. I'd say if you're at all inclined toward a 442 you need look no further. Buy one and start using it.
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I need to actually carry it every day and hide it on my person. I hate IWB with a revolver, but OWB is not very hidden usually, especially in warm weather. I guess that leaves ankle or pocket carry.
To me that knocks out the K frames and even steel framed J's. Any hammerless or bobbed hammer J frame or Ruger LCR with 2" barrel should work for you.
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They are a little hard to find, since SW doesn't make them any more, but I pocket carry a model 432pd Airweight. No exposed hammer, 6 rounds, J frame. In .32 H&R Magnum, I have no concern about the performance. It can exceed the .38 in ballistics. I pocket carry mine daily, even in jeans.
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I chose a 442. No hammer spur to snag and single action's not really needed in a designated sd gun.
I'll usually carry it owb. It stays concealed under an untucked tank top.
Sometimes, it rides in a pocket.
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Within the parameters you suggest, it seems that you buy 2 or perhaps 3 models. As to every day carry, the 442 or 642 seems like the logical choice.

Since practice with an Airweight J frame in 38 Special is not pleasant, you will not want to do it much. Thus, I suggest a second J frame in DAO and in 22 LR caliber. The Model 43C is a Centennial concealed hammer type J frame which makes an excellent understudy for the 442/642.

Finally, for the "range days," where you want to fire a large number of 38s, I suggest the Model 640. Its heavier weight and better grip will help soak up some of the sting involved in firing a J frame.
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Consider a J frame in .32 S&W Long or .32 H&R magnum, or a K frame S&W 12. Life is full of compromises, fortunately S&W can accommodate most of them.

Here is the last S&W 12 I owned; now being carried by a deputy US Marshall.


My daughter's S&W 331ti .32 H&R magnum.


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So I'm in the market for a revolver that will be my primary (I only want to carry one) and only CCW. Obviously this means a few things:
1) I need to be very proficient with it. To include presentation from concealment and reloading, of course.
2) I need to actually carry it every day and hide it on my person. I hate IWB with a revolver, but OWB is not very hidden usually, especially in warm weather. I guess that leaves ankle or pocket carry.
3) I'd like it to have more than 5 shots but will concede this if it's not keeping in line with above (2).

I've heard the best carry revolvers were the 3" RB K-frames but they seem rather large for EDC in the real world. Probably not very comfortable either for all-day concealment.
So am I stuck with a J-frame? If so, which one? I like the heft of the all-steel vs alloy/poly types... and that should help with gaining proficiency, as it will be more shooter friendly. Of course, that means an extra 4-5 oz of weight to lug around.
What does the S&W lineup (to include obtainable discontinued models) have for me?
1) presentation will be slow with ankle carry. I consider that style of carry more as a backup gun

2) Proper IWB holsters make all the difference, along with pants and belt. For OWB ...again belt and holster. There are holsters that ride high and close to the body.

3) it's a comprise. Less mass = more comfort.

4) Steel is more comfortable to shoot longer which translates to more practice. Unless you're very weak and fragile 4 or 5oz (.25lb) isn't a lot. That's a weight of a cell phone. It's not exactly "lugging around"

Don't take this personally. I was like that once. Wanted the lightest possible gun cause they were too heavy and pulled my pants down and so on. Until I finally gave in and spent money on a gun belt and tried a few holsters to see what I like and what's comfortable. I found that with a iwb hybrid holster the weight is dispersed by the two clips that are wide apart and a gun belt actually kept my pants up. Now instead of carrying some small ultra light gun that doesn't fit my hand I carry a Glock 19. But also a full size Sig and a full size all steel 1911. All carried with no issues. The reason I stick with the Glock is because the other 2 have full size grips that tend to rub holes in my shirts
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Consider a J frame in .32 S&W Long or .32 H&R magnum, or a K frame S&W 12. Life is full of compromises, fortunately S&W can accommodate most of them.
The beauty of the .32H&R mag is it will also shoot the .32 S&W Long, the .32 S&W and some say the .32ACP. You can practice at the range all day with the .32 S&W long in relative comfort (recoil wise) and carry the Mag. My wife also carries this caliber.
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I swapped out the boot grips that came with my new production 442, replacing them with a more handfilling set of Hogues. Granted, I usually carry mine in a shoulder holster, but I have pocket carried it. The larger grips make it much more comfortable to shoot. Firing a box of 50 +P at a time can be done in comfort.
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Can we get some more info on your level of experience with firearms..... handguns....

and ........

how you need to dress..... Suit, business casual, casual...... to give us some idea...... of what you/we are working with.
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you have hit the quandry nail on the head. to carry light is great, not so much to shoot. carry heavy and you'll be distracted by it and probably fidget and adjust to much. that said, i choose to pocket a 442-2 most of the time. i carry 2 guns so it plays back up. the 442/642 is the one to own. hogue has a new set of grips out now that give 3 finger grip, a gel insert on the back strap area, and has a plastic cap on the butt for ease of carry. check 'em out. lots of people rave about 'em...
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Ankle holsters are a great way of carrying a gun that you have no need to access in a hurry.
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What owb holsters have you tried?
I am 6' 190Lbs I can hide a 4in 686 owb under a t-shirt well enough that only someone looking for it will notice...under a button up it's invisible
I would suggest a 3in k frame with grips that are not rubber a good belt and good pancake style holster
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Here is a 3" K frame with grips that are not rubber.


A DeSantis holster for the above.

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Everybody should own a J Frame, and while the Airweight models appear to be the most popular, I prefer steel myself. My 60 no dash handles recoil and muzzle flip better than my 642 did, which is especially noticeable during rapid fire drills. It's just easier for me to maintain target acquisition with the heavier steel model. I imagine I'll be picking up a 640 sometime in the future.
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632. Holds 6 rounds of 327 Federal magnum and there is one loading
that is the same energy or 95 % anyway of 357 Magnum. It will launch a 100 grainer at 1500 FPS with energy of 500 foot pounds. And without 357 type recoil!!!
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Can we get some more info on your level of experience with firearms..... handguns....

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Medium experience overall, former Marine Infantry, but not a lot with handguns/CCW. I've only had my permit for 8 months or so. I've been shooting handguns regularly for about 3 years. Most of that time I've carried a Glock 19 and/or 26 IWB. However, as stated above, I've tried the LCR, SP101 and M85 concealed. I could pocket carry the ultralight so that was nice... but shooting it was not nearly the same as the Glock or even the SP101, obviously. So I know I need practice if I go with the j frame.
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What owb holsters have you tried?
I am 6' 190Lbs I can hide a 4in 686 owb under a t-shirt well enough that only someone looking for it will notice...under a button up it's invisible
I would suggest a 3in k frame with grips that are not rubber a good belt and good pancake style holster
I've had a few pancakes (for revolvers) like the Galco CM, a cheapo Tagua, another I forget... but similar. Very comfy but it's basically like a giant lump on your hip, and obviously the stock/grip will leap out at the slightest bend, depending on positioning.
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I've had a few pancakes (for revolvers) like the Galco CM, a cheapo Tagua, another I forget... but similar. Very comfy but it's basically like a giant lump on your hip, and obviously the stock/grip will leap out at the slightest bend, depending on positioning.
It sounds like you were wearing it on the point of the hip if you slide it around to just behind the hip everything falls into place.
As far as the grip, with the right holster in the right place it tucks in next to the kidney
The desantis mentioned above is excellent for revolvers pair that with a REAL gun belt and wood or other non rubber grips and you might be surprised
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Medium experience overall, former Marine Infantry, but not a lot with handguns/CCW. I've only had my permit for 8 months or so. I've been shooting handguns regularly for about 3 years. Most of that time I've carried a Glock 19 and/or 26 IWB. However, as stated above, I've tried the LCR, SP101 and M85 concealed. I could pocket carry the ultralight so that was nice... but shooting it was not nearly the same as the Glock or even the SP101, obviously. So I know I need practice if I go with the j frame.
Mostly casual dress: shorts/jeans, polo & button up shirts, etc.
Good info...... some thoughts/observations......

I wear Wrangler jean....... to me it's to hard/slow to "dig" a 2" J-frame out of my pocket...... I do carry a 337PD in the summer in cargo shorts.

I've carried (98%) IWB since about 1986..... I started with a Walther PPK.... about the size of the pager I had to carry......over the years I've often carried a 3" K-frames (65 &66) with wood boot grips..in a Summer Special...... but generally (95%) carry a 3913NL in a Milt Sparks Summer special.......on a Bianchi belt. IWB you need to commit a week or two to get use to it.....

I prefer a 3" J-frame over a 2" gun for belt...... I'm lucky enough to have a 60-10........ think micro 686


Edit: too wsr's point....... I carry at 4 O'clock....just behind the hip...... grip sits under my rib cage....flat against my back!!!!

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I was on the hunt for a M640 no dash (.38spl) a few months back, when I came upon this early M640-1 (.357) - & bought it. Really good move...

While I do have an OWB holster on order from Sam Andrews, I have been pocket carrying just about everywhere (DeSantis Nemesis), in cargo shorts, & business casual attire.

First impression of an all steel j frame, is that it is too heavy for pocket carry. It is do-able, believe me. And after years of strapping on a full size autoloader - for a quick trip to the corner store, well..., let's just say, I'm loving it! Very convenient.

Best case scenario, I'd have a backup alloy j frame (442 or M&P 340) as well, but don't think I'd sell my 640-1 for either. Oh yeah, for the record, I'm STILL looking for that elusive M640 "no dash" too... ;=]

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As an old retired cop who carried J-frames on a regular basis since 1977, I prefer the 340 M&P or 640 (mine is a -1). For ammunition, I carry the Buffalo Bore 158 gr. +p LHP at a true 1000 fps out of the 2" barrel. I generally pocket carry the 340 M&P, which I prefer due to the Scandium frame due to durability over the straight aluminum frame.

For OWB/IWB carry, I like the 640-1, but generally carry the Buffalo Bore also. Both guns are easy to conceal and carry.
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A gun and its holster add the same "thickness" to the side of your body, whether they're inside or outside the waistband (assuming the same type of holster construction.) IWB tends to present a smoother contour than OWB if your cover garment is the least bit tight, but if it's loose there isn't much difference. (My cover garments are usually Hawaiian shirts in the warm and cotton sweaters in the cool/cold.) I carried IWB for many years, but last year got a Lobo enhanced pancake holster and one of his solid belts, and now much prefer OWB carry, with the gun at about 4 o'clock. The butt stays solidly against my side, pretty much no matter how I stretch or bend, and I don't think it prints any worse than it did with an IWB holster.

I have both 2" and 3" K frames with a good holster and belt, and agree with others that they're a LOT to carry concealed on a regular basis. So if you're only going to have one gun, and you want to shoot it a lot, I'd look at the steel J frames. SOME people seem to tolerate the recoil of alloy J frames well, just as some claim to not mind shooting 357 Magnums out of J frames, but for most folks it will be unpleasant enough that they won't want to shoot very much. You can make an alloy J frame fairly tolerable to shoot by putting a big cushy Pachmayr Decelerator grip on it, but that grip is VERY hard to conceal so you'll want a "regular" grip for daily carry. But then the gun doesn't draw, present and shoot the same with a giant soft grip as it will with a smaller one, so your practice won't be as effective.

Even though I only carry 38 Special ammo, I prefer the magnum J frame (I carry a 640-1 but would be just as happy with a 649-3 - I don't like locks) for the slightly greater weight and sight radius, but mostly for the longer ejector rod, which seems to make extraction of 38 Special cases more reliable than with the 38 Special-only guns (of which I have several.)
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My EDC is a first year model 638. This is the original stainless steel Airweight Bodyguard revolver from, I think, 1988. It is still available today in pretty much the same configuration, but built to today's standards (good or bad, however you look at it). This is a gun I can and do carry every day because it is about the most gun I am willing to tote ALL THE TIME.

I like the Bodyguard Airweight because it is so light (never mind the added recoil, it absolutely does not matter for your EDC). The shrouded hammer design gives you both single and double action trigger function, while providing the same smooth draw of the Centennial models.

And two inches of barrel is the most you want in your EDC, in my opinion. And that is all you need, in most instances, too.

Of course, my preferences were arrived at over many years and many trials. What works for me may not work for you. But I assure you that a j-frame .38 is one of the most (if not THE most) time tested and popular carry pieces on the planet!

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I carried a Model 60 for many years as an issued backup gun. Now that I have retired, I occasionally carry a Model 642 in a Dale Frickie Zaccaraus IWB holster. It's just covers the trigger guard, and attaches to your belt with paracord. At presentation, you simply pull out the weapon till the cord is extended, then the revolver pops right out of the Kydex trigger guard. I live in Las Vegas, so I understand carry in hot weather. This holster adds no thickness to the revolver, so it makes concealment very easy. I wear cargo shorts and a t-shirt, and you never see it. It is very comfortable to wear for long periods of time too.
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Strongly suggest a Centennial Airweight; specifically, a 442 Moon Clip.

And although you acknowledge a dislike for IWB, consider Alessi's Deep Cover -- it sits much lower than the usual IWB, and uses a flat, offset clip that bites into your pants, not over a belt. I'm not big on IWB either, but in my experience a 442 in a Deep Cover disappears even under light clothing, and are virtually unfelt when carried.
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Since retiring from LE, my expectations of intervention has changed and so has my EDC needs. To complicate this more, I had a major back surgery four months ago and I can not wear both a belt and holstered handgun at the same time (I'm hoping that gets better soon).

In J frames I presently have a model 38, 442 and a 638. I've carried all,but like the 638 best. I like the stainless and ability to have a more precise single action shot if needed. I recently went to Eagle's version of ivory grips on the 638 and they seem to carry better than the rubber ones.

I carry the 638 in my pants front pocket in a holster in warm weather and in my jacket pocket in cooler weather. I can walk around with my hand in my pocket without drawing attention and already have a shooting grip. Pants pocket carry is difficult to draw seated and very difficult when seat belted in a vehicle. In a restaurant I move the gun toward the top of my pocket while seated. I keep a full size gun in my vehicle that while concealed is within easy reach and capable of quickly being brought into play. I usually wear boots that preclude an ankle rig, but I do have a Fobus ankle holster for when I wear a suit and low quartered shoes.

I've owned numerous J frames in both steel and aluminum alloys. I found the all steel ones too heavy for pants pocket carry for me. I carry Buffalo Bore 158 HP non +P and practice with a 158 non +P reload. Pocket and ankle carry are slower to get into action. I've found that if you look hard enough you can usually see trouble coming and either get out of the way, or get ready for it.
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Wow .... lots of good advice here. Part of the fun of a hobby is also how different things work for different folks.

I have a M60, a Colt Cobra and a Ruger LCR. The LCR gets carried the most. Why? Lighter weight, shrouded hammer, fiber optic front site. Mine is a 38 Special but they're available in 357, 9MM, 22LR and 22 Mag too if you look in that direction.
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Thanks everyone! I'm kind of steering toward the 442. I like the idea of a jacket pocket carry in cool seasons and perhaps pants/shorts pocket carry in warm seasons. Though I have tried pant pocket carry before and discovered I really needed to dress accordingly.
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...and a Ruger LCR. The LCR gets carried the most. Why? Lighter weight, shrouded hammer, fiber optic front site. Mine is a 38 Special but they're available in 357, 9MM, 22LR and 22 Mag too if you look in that direction.
Yeah I bought an LCRx thinking it would be great, and got rid of it immediately. It felt very cheap, the trigger was lousy and the cylinder latch button was very gritty. I may try a regular LCR again one day though.
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The ideal situation is owning two J frames, one steel and the other alloy. Practice with the steel frame and carry the lightweight, but shoot the lightweight from time to time. I can tell you from my own street experience that when and if you have to shoot someone you won't notice the recoil, or hear gunfire. Good luck and let us know what you decide, lots of good info here.
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YOU CAME TO THE RIGHT PLACE! You are almost spot on in your thinking IMO. OWB may work for you in appendix/cross draw/ small of back, try em & see. I'd be looking at a hammerless or schrouded type. All stainless helps me with taming felt recoil/ accuracy & is a + in humid areas if you sweat underwater like me.
I was the only person able to hit all 5 plates in steel challenge during our last J-frame day with my 640- no dash (I am certainly not the best shot). I shot my 640 so much better than my ultralight I sold it & am a believer in guns being comforting over comfortable. I'm 640 biased as I own/use one, a humpback might work well for you too, among others. good luck.
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IMO, if I had to pick just one, any of the steel J-frames with a good set of rubber boot grips and some +P 38 specials will do the trick. I kind of like the 3" barrel for better recoil control & sight radius. It doesn't affect IWB concealability in any significant way. Even a slim guy can make one disappear without much effort, though they aren't quite as pocket friendly as the 2" barreled versions.

A good alternative if you're a bigger guy (like me) and want 6 rounds is a fixed sight 3" 357 K-frame with slim wooden grips for better concealability. Load it with 357's or +p 38 specials - your choice, depending on your level of recoil sensitivity.

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Alloy .38 Special
Alloy .32 Magnum
Alloy .22 Magnum

These would be my choices for your needs. You want pocket carry and a lot of practice. The .32 gives you 6 shots and the .22 Mag gives you 7 shots. I live in Florida and carry the .22 Mag since I would not be shooting through heavy clothes. Your situation may differ. My 351c is super lightweight at 11.04 oz, and I like the extra 2 rounds.
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im a plumber and I carry a model 60 everyday. I use a iwb leather holster without a reinforced mouth. that makes it as thin as it can get.
my job is very active and I never have a problem hiding it. I wear jeans and a untucked t shirt at work. works great for me
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Ankle holsters are a great way of carrying a gun that you have no need to access in a hurry.
Looks so uncomfortable and ridiculous.
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im a plumber and I carry a model 60 everyday. I use a iwb leather holster without a reinforced mouth. that makes it as thin as it can get.
my job is very active and I never have a problem hiding it. I wear jeans and a untucked t shirt at work. works great for me
I thought you were going to say you carried it in your plumbers crack. Sorry couldn't resist.
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haha, no plumbers crack here!!
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1) presentation will be slow with ankle carry. I consider that style of carry more as a backup gun

2) Proper IWB holsters make all the difference, along with pants and belt. For OWB ...again belt and holster. There are holsters that ride high and close to the body.

3) it's a comprise. Less mass = more comfort.

4) Steel is more comfortable to shoot longer which translates to more practice. Unless you're very weak and fragile 4 or 5oz (.25lb) isn't a lot. That's a weight of a cell phone. It's not exactly "lugging around"

Don't take this personally. I was like that once. Wanted the lightest possible gun cause they were too heavy and pulled my pants down and so on. Until I finally gave in and spent money on a gun belt and tried a few holsters to see what I like and what's comfortable. I found that with a iwb hybrid holster the weight is dispersed by the two clips that are wide apart and a gun belt actually kept my pants up. Now instead of carrying some small ultra light gun that doesn't fit my hand I carry a Glock 19. But also a full size Sig and a full size all steel 1911. All carried with no issues. The reason I stick with the Glock is because the other 2 have full size grips that tend to rub holes in my shirts
Arik wrote briefly about gun belts. Make sure you have a stiff belt made to carry a gun. Even if you pocket carry, it gives you a solid foundation. I bought a Wild Bill's Concealment Leather double thickness 1.5 inch wide leather belt and it made a remarkable difference in comfort and concealment of compact and full size Glock pistols. I carry a full size Glock all year eighteen hours a day in any weather with this belt and a Galco IWB holster. A flimsy department store belt will allow the gun butt to smack you in the ribs with every step you take and you will be cinching it uncomfortably tight to pull the butt into your body. A stiff belt is much more comfortable and forces the holster to stay upright instead of tilting away from your body.
I sometimes pocket carry a 442 or an old M60 and the belt supports the extra weight of the M60 and one speed strip in my pants pocket nicely.
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I never saw the value in a belt costing considerably more than a cheap Walmart belt but I may try one.

Does it hold your pants up any better?

I was thinking about getting suspenders.
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I never saw the value in a belt costing considerably more than a cheap Walmart belt but I may try one.

Does it hold your pants up any better?

I was thinking about getting suspenders.
It holds your gun up, tight and more stable without having to over tighten it
No different than a tool belt...cheap ones roll up and let stuff flop around
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I have a 442. I didnt notice too bad of a recoil with it. It was fine for me and extremely accurate. I have an OWB Holster but may buy an IWB one since it with be cc. I dont think Ill ever pocket carry,just not my thing.
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Ruger has recently come out with a 327 Federal LCR in the 2" format. It will shoot 32 H&R as well as 32 Long also.

I have an LCR in 9mm and that's another good option if you like moon clips.
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When I was with the PD I Concealed Carried my 36-1 with factory targets IWB (Bianchi) under just a sweater. I was thinner then. The 3" barrel was no impediment to concealment. I think the extra inch of verticle barrel length actually stabilizes the carry.
I really love my 3" M66 (or the 3" M13 I bought for my GF but couldn't talk her out of when we broke up)... but CC is harder under varying conditions...

However, if I had to choose one revolver for all year under all conditions... and could find what ever I wanted... I'd look to a Centennial type.
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Looks so uncomfortable and ridiculous.
Ankle holsters are indeed uncomfortable, even with a light weight gun. I had one made by Thad Rybka that had a sheath for a Gerber Guardian on it. That was fairly comfortable, considering it held a PPK.

Ridiculous? Yes, on a bare leg, but there are few options for carrying here at the nudist colony.
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