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10-23-2015, 12:39 PM
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Shooting/Cleaning 586
Finally got my new 586 Classic out to shoot the other day and put about 50 rounds through it, mostly 38 LSWC followed with a dozen JHP mag rounds. While cleaning it up I noticed that this gun has same difficult to remove fouling on cylinder as my 657 MG created by the rear sight screw. Despite allowing to soak for what seemed to me to be a long time that particular fouling just seems harder to remove than anywhere else, this is also the case on my MG. Looking at my other S&W's it appears that the sight screw was moved back over the cylinder instead of directly above the forcing cone. Any tricks to getting this fouling off and has anyone noticed wear to the finish of blued guns in this area? Not from the actual firing, but from the extra attention that this seems to require in order to remove it. Don't worry about the SS gun but I sure don't want to damage the bluing on my first new Smith in quite some time. I have a 70's era Model 19 that is a snap to clean and I was hoping for the same with this one. Is there a way to work the screw area to eliminate this?
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10-23-2015, 12:49 PM
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If it does not interfere with function of the gun ignore it. Cleaning a revolver every 3-400 rounds or so enough to keepit functioning ( chambers under extractor bore) is plenty. A few drops of oil in the right places is enough as well. There is plenty of built up fouling on my bullseye revolvers and they run fine. Rub long enough and hard enough ( there is a joke I there somewhere) on a blue gun and you will get finish wear:
Choices are shoot it leave a little dirty and move on with life or make it spotless and expect finish wear.
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10-23-2015, 01:43 PM
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A revolver can live with minimal cleaning but..........
The barrel, cylinder and under the extraction plate areas should be free of any lead, copper, powder residue etc. if possible to keep it working properly and for best accuracy.
I wipe down and clean at every outing but only do a full field strip when the action starts to bind up or my cylinder/barrel unit shows heavy build up.
However, waiting this long would stress a LOT of shooters out, that I know and shoot with.
Have fun.
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10-23-2015, 01:56 PM
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Whether to clean or how often is something I already have as part of my shooting habits. My question concerns the area of fouling caused by the rear sight screw which seems to be more difficult to remove than any other fouling, why I don't know. The thought of leaving visible fouling on the cylinder of an otherwise spotless gun does not appeal to me, would look like an unfinished job to me. Other than my 657, this is the only Smith I have that has the sight screw in this position and thus this fouling. Was just hoping that there was a way to deal with it that is unknown to me. I know that particular area on the 657 is really hard to remove, but again not a big deal on SS gun.
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10-23-2015, 05:27 PM
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Whether to clean or how often is something I already have as part of my shooting habits. My question concerns the area of fouling caused by the rear sight screw which seems to be more difficult to remove than any other fouling, why I don't know. The thought of leaving visible fouling on the cylinder of an otherwise spotless gun does not appeal to me, would look like an unfinished job to me. Other than my 657, this is the only Smith I have that has the sight screw in this position and thus this fouling. Was just hoping that there was a way to deal with it that is unknown to me. I know that particular area on the 657 is really hard to remove, but again not a big deal on SS gun.
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Thanks for posting this. I've got this exact fouling/deposits on both of my 586 Classics and now on a 57 classic. It's directly under the sight blade screw. After normal cleaning, most of it comes off, leaving a crescent or circular shaped deposit that is very hard. I've removed it on my 586 Classic 4" using solvent and a brass brush. That takes a long time and it just reappears next shooting session. I'm just going to live with it and hope it is not damaging to the blueing.
Until you posted this, I didn't realize the sight screw had anything to do with it. It sure seems that it is focusing gasses escaping through the barrel gap. You have me wondering if a different screw that fills the hole might help.
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10-23-2015, 06:25 PM
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The sight screw on my 657 is slightly longer and leaves the crescent fouling you mention along with a circular fouling area inside of it, PIA to remove but being a SS gun I just lived with it and did the necessary work to remove. The screw on 586 sits slightly inside (shorter screw) and only leaves the crescent fouling. This is equally hard to get off, I still have not been able to get it removed from 2 areas on the cylinder. That is the concern I have about the finish. I have only fired this gun about 50 rounds and intend to shoot it quite a bit more, but I hate to ruin what is a nice finish from simple use. I have no safe queens but may have now. For hard use I have always bought SS but absolutely prefer blue guns. Since this rear sight arrangement has been around longer than I have owned them I figured some may have found a cure.
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10-23-2015, 11:07 PM
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Does the fouling interfere with function? If the answer is no forget it and make be on so what it if it is there shoot and move on
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10-24-2015, 10:51 AM
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I had a similar problem on my 586. There was a buildup of residue on the cylinder front end and sides.
This was recommended by the guys at my range.
Metal Care Cloth
The more you use it the less buildup you will get. It actually improves the finish appearance.
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10-24-2015, 03:55 PM
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Appreciate the reply, this is a little more in line with what I was looking for. A little surprised at the " don't worry about it" replies. I guess some would find it strange that I clean all of my wrenches/sockets,etc before putting them away as well. Just the way I was taught, to each his own.
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10-24-2015, 06:11 PM
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Use FMJ or Semi Jacketed ammo, you ll find cleaning is much easier. Stay away from all lead and wadcutters.
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10-24-2015, 07:30 PM
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TBH, I don't think that model is actually blued. I ordered a new one, and someone along the line was nice enough to have used it and attempted to clean the front of the cylinder to try and remove the carbon rings. There was more steel than "blue" showing when I looked it over (I refused delivery). It doesn't have that deep blue or the luster the old one's had. Looks more parkerized to me.
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10-25-2015, 04:07 PM
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Sounds like someone tried to cover their tracks and used an abrasive to clean the cylinder. My 586 has a deep blue finish that is definitely not parkerized. Mine did however have some "white" burrs that they say will not be fixed, at least not by them. Overall a beautiful gun though.
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