Smith & Wesson Forum

Advertise With Us Search
Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > Smith & Wesson Revolvers > S&W Revolvers: 1980 to the Present

Notices

S&W Revolvers: 1980 to the Present All NON-PINNED Barrels, the L-Frames, and the New Era Revolvers


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 06-24-2016, 11:38 PM
Pdxrealtor's Avatar
Pdxrealtor Pdxrealtor is offline
Member
Barrel to Cylinder Gap Barrel to Cylinder Gap Barrel to Cylinder Gap Barrel to Cylinder Gap Barrel to Cylinder Gap  
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 492
Likes: 67
Liked 177 Times in 86 Posts
Default Barrel to Cylinder Gap

I know spec is .004 to .010.

I have a

686+pc with a .004 (great, but the front sight was a disaster)
a 386+ NG with a .008
a 586 L comp - not tested yet (almost scared to)
and ... a brand new 327 TRR8 with a .012

Should I be concerned with the TRR8? It's the most expensive gun I've purchased to date. Add to it I just got a red dot and 80 VZ grips and well.... I think you get the point.

Real Disappointed in the PC.... real disappointed.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 06-25-2016, 12:22 AM
Neumann Neumann is offline
Member
Barrel to Cylinder Gap Barrel to Cylinder Gap Barrel to Cylinder Gap Barrel to Cylinder Gap Barrel to Cylinder Gap  
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 1,424
Likes: 30
Liked 700 Times in 392 Posts
Default

The cylinder gap should be between 0.005 and 0.008. Anything above 0.010" would make you an unwelcome guest at an open firing line.

The TRR8 cylinder gap is an easy fix, but you need to have S&W do it. It's a two-part barrel (as you must know), which is screwed into the receiver to establish the gap, then tensioned with a bushing at the muzzle. The barrel is kept from turning with a tool that engages the rifling while the bushing is torqued.

A one-piece barrel is installed with a crush fit, where the barrel is held by the shoulder machined ahead of the threads before facing the cone for clearance. In order to adjust the gap (with the cylinder properly shimmed) or repair a canted barrel, a new shoulder must be cut and the forcing cone refinished and faced. Any competent gunsmith can do this.

S&W will not sell the tools nor specify the torque required for the installation of two-piece barrels. It should be re-torqued periodically, based on the round count (??).

Last edited by Neumann; 06-25-2016 at 12:29 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 06-25-2016, 12:33 AM
bountyhunter bountyhunter is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,862
Likes: 1
Liked 460 Times in 228 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pdxrealtor View Post
I know spec is .004 to .010.

I have a

686+pc with a .004 (great, but the front sight was a disaster)
a 386+ NG with a .008
a 586 L comp - not tested yet (almost scared to)
and ... a brand new 327 TRR8 with a .012

Should I be concerned with the TRR8? It's the most expensive gun I've purchased to date. Add to it I just got a red dot and 80 VZ grips and well.... I think you get the point.

Real Disappointed in the PC.... real disappointed.
All I know based on MANY posts is that SW will not fix a gun with an .012" b/c gap so don't bother trying to get them too. It won't affect performance that much, lose a bit of muzzle velocity. I wouldn't worry about it at all. Yes, PC guns are a chronic disappointment but my gripes are more about twisted (clocked) barrels, off center hammers dragging the frame, awful triggers, side plates not fitted and other serious problems.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #4  
Old 06-25-2016, 12:33 AM
Pdxrealtor's Avatar
Pdxrealtor Pdxrealtor is offline
Member
Barrel to Cylinder Gap Barrel to Cylinder Gap Barrel to Cylinder Gap Barrel to Cylinder Gap Barrel to Cylinder Gap  
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 492
Likes: 67
Liked 177 Times in 86 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Neumann View Post
The cylinder gap should be between 0.005 and 0.008. Anything above 0.010" would make you an unwelcome guest at an open firing line.

The TRR8 cylinder gap is an easy fix, but you need to have S&W do it. It's a two-part barrel (as you must know), which is screwed into the receiver to establish the gap, then tensioned with a bushing at the muzzle. The barrel is kept from turning with a tool that engages the rifling while the bushing is torqued.

A one-piece barrel is installed with a crush fit, where the barrel is held by the shoulder machined ahead of the threads before facing the cone for clearance. In order to adjust the gap (with the cylinder properly shimmed) or repair a canted barrel, a new shoulder must be cut and the forcing cone refinished and faced. Any competent gunsmith can do this.

S&W will not sell the tools nor specify the torque required for the installation of two-piece barrels. It should be re-torqued periodically, based on the round count (??).
Thanks... my nightguard just came back with a specific note that the cylinder to barrel gap was in spec at .004 to 010. No idea why they noted that because it wasn't sent in for that reason but whatever.

So..... looks like I should send this TRR8 back.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 06-25-2016, 12:36 AM
Pdxrealtor's Avatar
Pdxrealtor Pdxrealtor is offline
Member
Barrel to Cylinder Gap Barrel to Cylinder Gap Barrel to Cylinder Gap Barrel to Cylinder Gap Barrel to Cylinder Gap  
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 492
Likes: 67
Liked 177 Times in 86 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bountyhunter View Post
All I know based on MANY posts is that SW will not fix a gun with an .012" b/c gap so don't bother trying to get them too. It won't affect performance that much, lose a bit of muzzle velocity. I wouldn't worry about it at all. Yes, PC guns are a chronic disappointment but my gripes are more about twisted (clocked) barrels, off center hammers dragging the frame, awful triggers, side plates not fitted and other serious problems.
The 627 v comp I was holding when I bought my TRR8 had an absolutely atrocious trigger.

If I send it back I'll simply use the specs they wrote down to pin them into fixing it. They put it in black and white. This one will rotate the cylinder when the trigger is pulled with a .012 gauge between the cylinder and barrel. That's BS from a brand new PC, 1k + gun.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 06-25-2016, 03:36 AM
steelslaver's Avatar
steelslaver steelslaver is online now
US Veteran
Barrel to Cylinder Gap Barrel to Cylinder Gap Barrel to Cylinder Gap Barrel to Cylinder Gap Barrel to Cylinder Gap  
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Central Montana
Posts: 13,715
Likes: 12,858
Liked 39,476 Times in 10,046 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pdxrealtor View Post
The 627 v comp I was holding when I bought my TRR8 had an absolutely atrocious trigger.

If I send it back I'll simply use the specs they wrote down to pin them into fixing it. They put it in black and white. This one will rotate the cylinder when the trigger is pulled with a .012 gauge between the cylinder and barrel. That's BS from a brand new PC, 1k + gun.
That is a pretty loose .012 when you can operate the gun with the gauge in place. I to would be dissapointed too.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
WTS:627 cylinder and barrel alec.mc Accessories/Misc - For Sale or Trade 0 03-02-2016 07:21 PM
Barrel Cylinder gap Jdavis S&W-Smithing 9 02-28-2016 10:40 PM
S&W Model 10-5 Missaligned cylinder and cylinder-barrel gap issue ct241 S&W-Smithing 21 09-28-2014 07:24 PM
Cylinder to Barrel gap??? BigBill S&W-Smithing 6 08-11-2012 10:02 PM
SOLD!! WTS M 28-2 4” BARREL, 1981 MDL, RESESSED CYLINDER, NON PINNED BARREL davel686 GUNS - For Sale or Trade 1 05-23-2010 02:06 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:39 PM.


Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)