I reassembled my .460 XVR after a complete strip and I uh... have this part leftover with no idea what it does (circled in green). Can anybody help me out with this?



Thanks in advance,
Mike

Is it the cylinder stop? The piece that index's the cylinder in the bottom strap of the cylinder window?

Kind of looks like it, right? But the Hand is the piece that interfaces with the cylinder star on the trigger pull, and it's already installed.

Not the cylinder stop either, that is installed as well (sitting above the trigger).

I can't find a schematic for any X-frames, and I don't see that part on N-frame diagrams or video. Someone will come along with the answer. Good luck.

Could it be part of the lock? The flag perhaps?

I don't know what the proper name of it is, but it goes into a vertical channel behind the rebound housing. The little groove in the bottom of it is on the bottom and a 'pin' on the trigger gets aligned in that groove. Not sure the purpose either, but it moves up and down with the trigger pull.

Thanks buddy! I see exactly what you're talking about.

This part didn't show up in any parts diagrams, but there is kind of a lack of information out there for X-Frames in general. I'm assuming this is a new safety feature. The green arrow in the picture points out where the thing hides, behind the trigger and rebound assembly like iPac said. The Hand Pin that goes through the trigger (illustrated as the two green circles connected by a line, the actual pin is hidden) also engages this part by sitting in the horizontal groove, so the trigger moves it up and down.

Mechanically, what it will do is move up as the trigger is depressed. At the end of the trigger pull, it is in a place where it physically blocks the bolt from being moved forward to release the cylinder assembly. Presumably, the cylinder should be locked during firing anyway, but I guess this is added insurance?



Thanks again.

Here's another view (this picture is in the FAQ section here).



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It wouldn't surprise me with the way the thing recoils, it was put in place to either prevent movement from the inertia generated by the recoil of an X-Frame, or maybe prevent the thumb piece being pushed forward by a shooters thumb when using a two handed (death grip) hold... or maybe even both.

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While it's out, check the slot machined out for it for burrs. My 500 had a really large one that I removed with a pair of needle nose pliers and then filed down the remainder.

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Yeah, blocking the bolt is the only thing I could think of that it did but wasn't sure.

I will mention this isn't only on X frames. I think pretty much all models have it. I knew what it was because of working on my '89 N frame.

The heavier recoil N frames have it, but not all models.

I used to do that ..... have parts left over !
Everything went into a box and I would go see our local gunsmith .
Whenever I came in carrying my shoe box, he would get a big grin on his face and say " What you done took apart this time ?" .
He advised me to stop taking them apart....I was not a naturally born gunsmith and should look for another career , which I did !
No gunsmith by a long shot....gary

That first phased in as part of the Endurance Package on the 29 and 629 pistols. From what I understand, they added this to keep the cylinder lock from unlocking under recoil and letting the cylinder spin backwards. That was a problem encountered with the 29's and heavy bullet, max power loads that came to light from the silhouette crowd. My 629-3 also has this locking device too.

What you have there is a historical missing part. It has been found by many others for over the last 100 years. This part can be researched in the 1953 book by Douglas Homes, 'Now That's Weird; And Other Strange Things.' Horton Publications.

It has many names: the thing, hang clip, DoDad, What The..., and chicken beak, Hawk Head.

The first reported sighting was reported by a Arizona Territory cowboy Jeb Justice. He was cleaning his 1879 Colt 1st Generation SAA Single Action Army 4.75" in 45 Colt. After finishing cleaning and loading this 'part' appeared in his bed sheet. He dissembled his gun again looking for where the part fit, but found no room for it.

The second reported sighting was with Swedish clock maker Lucas Olle adjusting his hand made clock the metal part sat on his work bench. Lucas was perplexed. He never got over the 'missing part' and where it belonged in the old clock.

During the Gallipoli Campaign five Australian soldiers also found the missing part during of late 1915. They were sent to the front.

The same part has appeared in many places on several workbenches of clock makers, Indian Motorcycle shops, Skil Power Tools company in Tacoma Washington, and Kimber Gun plant. The last reported sighting was at the Boeing airline plant in Everett Washington 1978 on the Boeing 777-300ER assemble line.

Please hang onto the missing part, it fits something somewhere.

If you cant figure out what any small part you find on the floor or bench is for and after exhausting all avenues of discovering what it is......
Toss it in the trash can. The day after the trash has been picked up , I guarantee you will discover what it is for !
Happened to me yesterday.....I found a charger, for 6 months I kept that thing trying to figure out what it went to. Gave up andTrashed it. next day I see my electric wet/dry razor in the back of the cabinet, you guessed it....it went to the electric razor I forgot I owned.....
Gary

Had the cylinder my Mod 29 lock up on me so I took it apart to try and figure out what happened. Found that part (lock) had snapped in half and jammed up the works. Pulled up a schematic of Mod 29 parts and couldn't find it in the picture. I did find it when I looked at the X frame schematic. I called S&W and their parts guy couldn't find it in his listing of Mod 29 parts either. He did find it in the X frame listing so he sent me one free of charge, he wasn't sure it would fit in my frame. It fit perfectly and I haven't had an issue since. Have no idea what caused it to break, it appears to just ride up and down in that channel in the frame.

I have heard it said "if you take something apart and put it together enough times,you will have enough parts left over to build another one"