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Old 09-28-2016, 04:06 PM
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Who was it that makes (made?) the replacement pieces for the internal locks that looked almost like there was no hole in the frame?
I haven't looked in a long time and simply don't remember.
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Old 09-28-2016, 06:16 PM
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The part you're looking for is called "the Plug". Here is one vendor; there are several on this site.

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Old 09-28-2016, 06:24 PM
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Old 09-29-2016, 09:10 AM
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Thank you, All.
I bought my first Smith over 50 years ago.
I guess I just don't like the looks of the hole in the frame.

And, putting a key-turned 'safety' on what is basically a self defense revolver, not a target type, that has reportedly interfered with operation of the revolvers with such a device, doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me.
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Old 09-29-2016, 09:16 AM
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I also like the looks of the plug, especially when it's done to blend well. I don't like the looks of the keyhole in the frame.
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Old 09-29-2016, 11:29 AM
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I used a stainless "plug" to replace the IL in my M638. It was a simple job and looks great. I don't want to get into the politics and mechanics of the IL, but it was nice to have the option to delete it...
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Old 09-29-2016, 11:53 AM
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I would love to see some pictures of the finished installation, particularly the stainless steel plug. The K, L, and N frames in my family are all SS and all are strictly range guns only, so I'm not sure we need to worry about the legal ramifications of making a modification as if it was a EDC.

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I don't ccw my smiths there worth too much to lose if I use one in SD. The powers to be remove your weapon and it takes a lawyer, money and bs to get it back. Carry something that's easily replaceable.
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Old 09-29-2016, 04:32 PM
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I don't ccw my smiths there worth too much to lose if I use one in SD. The powers to be remove your weapon and it takes a lawyer, money and bs to get it back. Carry something that's easily replaceable.
You bet! I have a beat up 642 that the finish is missing on large splotches from CC. Also have a couple SS's for dressy occasions, but not daily...
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Old 09-29-2016, 05:43 PM
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I don't ccw my smiths there worth too much to lose if I use one in SD. The powers to be remove your weapon and it takes a lawyer, money and bs to get it back. Carry something that's easily replaceable.
I wouldn't want to lose my 396, but I still carry it and figure my life and those around me are worth more than it is. Plus, I believe that if I am evolved in something justifiable, I will get it back and it won't take that long, at least in this state. If not the problem is going to be expensive enough that the gun's worth will be a small part of the bill.

Yes, I have a CA Bulldog and a Taurus 431 that work fine and are less valuable, but, if I really need a gun, I want the best one, not a pretty good one.
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I would love to see some pictures of the finished installation, particularly the stainless steel plug. The K, L, and N frames in my family are all SS and all are strictly range guns only, so I'm not sure we need to worry about the legal ramifications of making a modification as if it was a EDC.
Here is my wife's plugged Model 60-14 Lady Smith and my plugged Model 63-5.
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Those look good!
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Old 09-30-2016, 09:48 AM
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Forgot to show this plug alternative on my 642.
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Old 09-30-2016, 10:36 PM
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Well, you can keep it well lubed!
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I guess I can take the truck and the 642 down to Jiffy-Lube just about any time...
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I don't ccw my smiths there worth too much to lose if I use one in SD. The powers to be remove your weapon and it takes a lawyer, money and bs to get it back. Carry something that's easily replaceable.
The cost of a justified shooting, for those prudent enough to use an attorney is proximately $15-20K. And you are worried about a $350 Smith & Wesson?
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Old 10-04-2016, 08:14 PM
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[QUOTE=Mountain Walker;139275395]The cost of a justified shooting, for those prudent enough to use an attorney is proximately $15-20K. And you are worried about a $350 Smith & Wesson?[/QUOTE


And there can be ongoing things, also. A man I knew shot and killed an armed robber who robbed a store near his. It was a justifiable shooting per the authorities, but frequently the dead man's family would come around and yell at him from a drive by car. He'd been around the block a time or two with prior life and wasn't bothered by it but it could be unnerving to someone else.
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The cost of a justified shooting, for those prudent enough to use an attorney is proximately $15-20K. And you are worried about a $350 Smith & Wesson?
Some guys have no conception of real events and the aftermath. They live in a childs world of collecting stuff like guns. Probably have Snap On tools they never use and work on things with Harbor Freight tools. I have S&W guns because they are of good quality and I will use them if necessary without regard to weather or not I get them back after use. That would be the least of my worries.
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Old 10-07-2016, 05:27 PM
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I would love to see some pictures of the finished installation, particularly the stainless steel plug.
Here is a photo of a stainless plug installed in my 638 Airweight:


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Forget removing or replacing the lock.
Go in and modify the lock so it cannot activate...or if it were keyed into activation position it would have no impact on gun function.
It seems to me that the greater hazard in this approach is not that YOU use the gun in a SD situation and some prosecutor wants to make an issue of it, but that you eventually dispose of the gun and a later owner tries to use the internal lock as a storage lock but the gun goes off "unexpectedly." The factory will examine the gun and determine that the lock it originally installed had been modified, at which point it's safe to assume that the chain of ownership will be traced and every former owner sued for creating the dangerous condition. While it may be true that somebody has to prove you were the one who did it, just defending such a case can cost a small fortune.

It's my understanding that the factory will not sell replacement lock parts, so if you permanently modify the ones you have you're stuck with a non-lockable gun forever. But replacing the lock parts with the PLUG allows the lock to be reinstalled if you ever do decide to get rid of the gun.
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Old 10-07-2016, 08:37 PM
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It seems to me that the greater hazard in this approach is not that YOU use the gun in a SD situation and some prosecutor wants to make an issue of it, but that you eventually dispose of the gun and a later owner tries to use the internal lock as a storage lock but the gun goes off "unexpectedly."
The good news is that "unexpectedly" won't happen unless somebody pulls the trigger, which isn't exactly "unexpectedly."
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I wouldn't want to lose my 396, but I still carry it and figure my life and those around me are worth more than it is. Plus, I believe that if I am evolved in something justifiable, I will get it back and it won't take that long, at least in this state. If not the problem is going to be expensive enough that the gun's worth will be a small part of the bill.

Yes, I have a CA Bulldog and a Taurus 431 that work fine and are less valuable, but, if I really need a gun, I want the best one, not a pretty good one.
Yes, Ssteelslaver, I agree completely... For goodness sake, although we all like to shoot and collect, we want the very best gun that we own for self defense. Let's say you paid a thousand dollars for it. Or two thousand. And it saved your life. Even if you ultimately lost the gun, or it gets tied up in court as a piece of evidence. So what? Wasn't it worth it? What price do you want to put on your life? Same thing for self defense ammunition. I'm carrying in my 357 EDC, Speer 135 gr Gold Dot short barrel .357 mag ammo, that rums over a dollar up to a dollar and a half per round. Hard to find also,even at that price. But I trust it, and so what if it were two dollars a round; your life may just very well depend on it.

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I can still see the lock even with a PLUG.
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The good news is that "unexpectedly" won't happen unless somebody pulls the trigger, which isn't exactly "unexpectedly."
You know it, and I know it, but that's not the way the plaintiff's petition will read. You'll have to hire a lawyer to try to persuade a jury of that during the trial, which is the point I was trying to make.
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Everyone seems to be worried about criminal charges being laid against them after a totally legitimate SD shooting. The worry is not there, it lies in the inevitable civil suit that will ensue after such a shooting. It is in that kind of forum that modifications, disabling safety devices, using hand loads and so forth WILL bite you in the butt. The rules of evidence are different and the standard of proof is much lower than in a criminal case. The same is true of decorating your guns with deaths heads and the like. In the civil case the lawyer representing the family of the (hopefully) deceased BG will be trying to prove that you were just waiting to shoot some honor student, and will use anything he can to show that point. It is there that anything you have done to the gun may be brought out and an attempt will be made to use it against you. When you have gone through a civil suit, you might wish you had been prosecuted successfully, at least you would be getting 3 hots and a cot. After losing a civil suit or even after winning one, you will probably be really broke and chances of a financial bounce back are pretty much non existent in today's economic world. Keep it simple! Plain gun, factory ammo, and most of all, limit your vocabulary to two words; "Who? Me?" After a legit SD shooting, get a good lawyer and say nothing you don't have to say. Particularly do NOT discuss the incident with anyone but your lawyer. Spouses have a way of becoming adverse witnesses and friends from the tavern often remember things you may have said differently, and sometimes they don't stay your friends (maybe they ran off with your spouse?).
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Horse dead. Beat more. He still dead. Beat again. Repeat.


What I come away with in this thread is that if you are worried about the action tying up due to the lock on a defense handgun and find the lock unacceptable, and as asserted by some here that you should not modify it due to legal concerns, then that leaves only one choice: Buy something without a lock.
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The lock is more of a storage device than a safety. Deleting it is like throwing away the pad lock that comes with a Ruger.

I wouldn't worry about matching the color too much. I used a stainless plug on my 327 pug nose, and it just looks fine.
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The people who need to "worry" about a SD shooting are those who have shot under sketchy circumstances that raise eyebrows. The nonsensical idea that after ALL shootings the shooter is automatically "criminalized" is disingenuous. "Experts" who pound this mantra are essentially stating that all cops are buffoons, incompetents, or worse, active agents seeking to push a personal antigun agenda. Yet all national statistics point AGAINST this. I happen to live in California and I happen to actually follow the news and shootings...including those deemed to be SD, and just like all the "non-commie" parts of the U.S. the Fresno PD are no more likely to accuse a person who has exercised justifiable SD of a crime than in any other State.
While not a "stand your ground" State in the common perception, California IS a "Castle Doctrine" (PC 198.5) State...check your Penal Code, and a home owner is NOT expected to abandon ship in the face of a threat to life and limb.
CALCRIM 505 and 506 define one's options in the public space and also stipulate that one does NOT have to "run away" when facing a reasonable threat of being injured or killed, which MEANS boys and girls, that if the totality of circumstances supports YOUR claim of self defense, you're not automatically facing some anti-gun prosecutor!
The U.S. Supreme Court long ago decided that you can not be accused of "murder" for using whatEVER weapon you have at your disposal upon facing a self-defense situation. If you're ex is trying to shoot you through your windshield and you hit the accelerator and run her down, and the circumstances match your assertion, you will be going home...even in California.

No California does NOT recognize one's "right" to shoot a car full of teenagers playing loud music, and to pump round after round into their fleeing car...but then neither does FLORIDA!

As Zimmerman discovered in Florida, even IF all YOUR actions are within the letter of the law in terms of permits and circumstances, even THAT is not enough to indemnify your actions if subsequent review determines them to be suspect. This IS in fact the purpose of the "Catch-all" Second Degree Murder charge..."depraved indifference."

Anyway I get weary of reading posts about "don't you dare modify your gun because you'll be charged with murder" when that is NOT HOW THE WORLD WORKS unless one is a "policy wonk" who makes their living off running around announcing "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!"
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