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S&W 500 bent recoil shield
A buddy of mine dropped his 500 on cement and it bent the recoil shield. the cylinder wont open is this something that can be fixed or is is it time to buy a new one? I will have photo's tomorrow.
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I would call S&W and send it in OR I could send an FFL and pay for shipping to me and he could get another!! Be Safe,
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lf loaded---That is FIRST priority...
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01-03-2017, 11:04 PM
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Sorry about your buddy's pistol, but I have to ask: any interesting story behind the drop or just an oops?
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Sorry about your buddy's pistol, but I have to ask: any interesting story behind the drop or just an oops?
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I'm betting recoil related.
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I can't imagine the amount of force that would be required to bend a recoil shield much less enough to lock down the action. Must have been dropped from the roof of a 20 story building.
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I can't imagine the amount of force that would be required to bend a recoil shield much less enough to lock down the action. Must have been dropped from the roof of a 20 story building.
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Yes, it would require a significant force to bend the recoil shield. Either a 20 story building or maybe his wife wasn't too happy with him and "dropped it" with a hammer.
I'd vote for sending it back to S&W. Is it loaded? I think S&W will only accept it if it's unloaded.
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I can't imagine the amount of force that would be required to bend a recoil shield much less enough to lock down the action. Must have been dropped from the roof of a 20 story building.
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Maybe not as much force as you think. The stainless used in these guns is pretty soft, even compared to regular steel, and I'm guessing the bend occurred at the outer edge of the shield where it's thinnest. I'm betting a drop from about chest/shoulder height would be sufficient, but it would have to hit just right.
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The stainless used in these guns is pretty soft, even compared to regular steel
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I have a hard time believing a drop from a height that would be likely shooting on a flat surface could possibly do that damage. Steel is soft?? Don't think so, a S&W engineer I email with said the steel is hardened to 42-45 Rockwell. Don
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Sorry for your friend's troubles. If it is loaded my guess is metal will have to be displaced to get the cylinder open; if so, my guess is the factory will mandate a frame replacement and it may not be covered by the warranty, as it was not a material defect. Please let us know how things turn out.
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I have a hard time believing a drop from a height that would be likely shooting on a flat surface could possibly do that damage. Steel is soft?? Don't think so, a S&W engineer I email with said the steel is hardened to 42-45 Rockwell. Don
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My experience with steel is from my days as a die maker where I worked with various steels and other metal, plus the metallurgy classes I had to take. Steel comes in many different flavors, including stainless. Stainless used in the nuclear areas is extremely tough and a real chore to machine. The stainless used for S&W revolvers is no where near that tough, and whether you believe me or not, is softer than many other types of steel. 42-45? I dealt with steel that was that hard without heat treating, and others that Roc'd out at 65-68, or even harder and had to be drawn back. 42-45 isn't hard. It's harder than what they started with, but far from "hard".
And what 'surface' did it fall on? Where I shoot, they have concrete. Yeah, that'll leave a mark.
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Sorry for your friend's troubles. If it is loaded my guess is metal will have to be displaced to get the cylinder open; if so, my guess is the factory will mandate a frame replacement and it may not be covered by the warranty, as it was not a material defect. Please let us know how things turn out.
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I think we need to see some pictures of this damage. We'll see if OP ever comes back to follow up on his 1st ever post.
It's just hard to imagine a drop at such an angle and with such force to distort the recoil shield. Color me skeptical.
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I think we need to see some pictures of this damage. We'll see if OP ever comes back to follow up on his 1st ever post.
It's just hard to imagine a drop at such an angle and with such force to distort the recoil shield. Color me skeptical.
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catching a falling rifle and OOOPS! very sad for the revolver and very good for the $400 rille. oops
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I'm betting recoil related.
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nope, poor holster.
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Maybe not as much force as you think. The stainless used in these guns is pretty soft, even compared to regular steel, and I'm guessing the bend occurred at the outer edge of the shield where it's thinnest. I'm betting a drop from about chest/shoulder height would be sufficient, but it would have to hit just right.
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Waist high.
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Thank you for the response. This was my first post and I did join a while ago but I am retired now!!! Lovin it, more time to start posting. I will post a photo or two when I get them. He had a ****** holster for starters. His kid dropped a $400 rifle and while he was diving after it the 500 left the holster from waist high and hit cement. sad,sad,sad...
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Thank you for the response. This was my first post and I did join a while ago but I am retired now!!! Lovin it, more time to start posting. I will post a photo or two when I get them. He had a ****** holster for starters. His kid dropped a $400 rifle and while he was diving after it the 500 left the holster from waist high and hit cement. sad,sad,sad...
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Wow - sounds like a bad day for him for sure. As others have stated, please post pictures when you can. If you need help posting them, PM me.
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A buddy of mine dropped his 500 on cement and it bent the recoil shield. the cylinder wont open is this something that can be fixed or is is it time to buy a new one? I will have photo's tomorrow.
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Since I own a 500 and am familiar with the gun and pressures developed from firing it, I definitely would recommend sending the gun back to S&W for any repair. If a do it yourself job resulted in any compromise of the metal integrity, things could get pretty ugly for whoever shoots it.
Sorry about your friend's misfortune.
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You say the cylinder wont open. Does it move at all ?
I just can't picture how it could fall and hit the recoil shield and cause this much damage.
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I can see it happening. 500s are heavy. 4 to 5 lbs depending on the model. Falling so that the thin edge of the recoil shield hit first could fold it over enough that the case heads would not clear.
I have ran a hardness test on several S&W frames out of curiosity in the past and they are not much harder than mild steel. For an idea a good knife is from 58-63 Rockwell C depending on its use.
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Thank you for the response. This was my first post and I did join a while ago but I am retired now!!! Lovin it, more time to start posting. I will post a photo or two when I get them. He had a ****** holster for starters. His kid dropped a $400 rifle and while he was diving after it the 500 left the holster from waist high and hit cement. sad,sad,sad...
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I'm glad no one was injured! Dropping gun could end badly and grabbing for it could make things worse. Can't say I would not have reacted similarly. Did he at least save the rifle?
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I can see it happening. 500s are heavy. 4 to 5 lbs depending on the model. Falling so that the thin edge of the recoil shield hit first could fold it over enough that the case heads would not clear.
I have ran a hardness test on several S&W frames out of curiosity in the past and they are not much harder than mild steel. For an idea a good knife is from 58-63 Rockwell C depending on its use.
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Try this.. take a revolver with the cylinder closed. Now hold it in any position you like and see how the recoil shield doesn't even touch a flat surface.
So I still have a hard time seeing how it could get bent falling on a cement floor.
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By design i'm not understanding how the X frame's recoil shield got damaged from a drop? If the handgun was dropped the first component to hit the deck "should" have been the cylinder edge ? Now a bent cyl arm or guide rod , that damage I could maybe understand ? Those X frames are a BEEFY chassis.
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