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01-12-2017, 01:07 PM
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Model 69 Snubbie
A couple of days before Christmas Ruger Announced that It was releasing a .44 Special GP-100 3" Revolver. Being a .44cal Nut I ordered one on GB the first of the this Month. I have been using my S&W M69 as a dedicated .44 Special Revolver up until now, and Love it Dearly. So yesterday I finally made it to the range to compare the M69 to the GP-100 44. I was using Handloads consisting of 6.8 grains of Unique under a 250gn Keith LSWC in new Starline Cases. To make it short, the 69 shot groups half the size of the Ruger at 10yds. NOW I want a Short barrel M69 like maybe 2.75". I guess that I could have one Custom Built, but would really like to see S&W come out with their own version.
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01-12-2017, 01:13 PM
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My understanding is they are making one with 2.75" barrel for 2017.
Model 69 Combat Magnum(R) | Smith & Wesson
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01-12-2017, 01:16 PM
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Wow: That IS good news. I will be owning one of those. Thanks for the Heads UP
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01-12-2017, 01:45 PM
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I would wonder about complete powder burn with a 3" barrel. If I understand you correctly, the longer barrel S&W model 69 shoots twice as accurately as the shorter barrel Ruger. If I'm right, why would you want a less accurate model 69?
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01-12-2017, 02:18 PM
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The 2 piece barrel with ECM rifling is an inherently accurate system. Also, slug the throats on your GP-100 - Ruger in the past seems to bore their throats a little bigger than SW.
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01-12-2017, 03:56 PM
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I would wonder about complete powder burn with a 3" barrel. If I understand you correctly, the longer barrel S&W model 69 shoots twice as accurately as the shorter barrel Ruger. If I'm right, why would you want a less accurate model 69?
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Well I wouldn"t expect the 2.75 M69 to shoot as tight as a 4.2" gun. The sight radius alone would make a difference. In regard to the 3" Ruger VS the 4.2" M69 and an incomplete Powder Burn I get groups just slightly larger to the M69 with the same loads in my 3" 629 so I suspect the Ruger may not be as accurate with my particular load. More experimentation is called for.
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01-12-2017, 05:07 PM
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Check the S&W sight. The 69 2.75" barrel is on there along with a 66 snub.
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Check the S&W sight. The 69 2.75" barrel is on there along with a 66 snub.
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Yeah, and they're calling the 69 snub a "Combat Magnum" and have verbage about it being a K frame!
Doesn't anybody who actually knows something about the product proof read this stuff?
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01-12-2017, 05:33 PM
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Yeah, and they're calling the 69 snub a "Combat Magnum" and have verbage about it being a K frame!
Doesn't anybody who actually knows something about the product proof read this stuff?
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THE OBVIOUS ANSWER WOULD BE A RESOUNDING "NO ! ! !", Sugar River......
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CONFUSED A BIT (NOT A SURPRISE, SINCE I AM A 75 YO GEEZER. IN MY FAVOR IS THE FACT THAT I HAVE BEEN SHOOTING HANDGUNS SINCE AGE 15.)
IS THE RUGER A 5 SHOT, OR A 6 SHOT ? ? ? I THINK THAT THE POPULAR BULLDOGS IN .44 SPECIAL ARE 5 SHOOTERS. AM I CORRECT ? ? ? I WOULD THINK THAT A K FRAME S&W WOULD HAVE TO BE A 5 SHOT ALSO.
IMHO, ANY COMPARISON IN ACCURACY IS NOT VALID, UNLESS IT IS MADE WITH THE SAME AMMO, OUT OF 2 GUNS WITH THE SAME LENGTH BARREL. THE TEST BETWEEN THE SNUBBY RUGER AND THE LONGER S&W IS INCONCLUSIVE.....
FOR MANY YEARS, I CARRIED A 3" M629, OUT OF WHICH I SHOT .44SPL LOADS, 95% OF THE TIME. I THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE LITTLE ADVANTAGE GAINED, GIVING UP ONE SHOT, TO GAIN A SLIGHT REDUCTION IN SIZE AND WEIGHT, BY GOING TO A K FRAME, 5 SHOOTER.......
BELOW ARE MY 3" M629, AND MY K FRAME M686+.....
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01-12-2017, 06:39 PM
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CONFUSED A BIT (NOT A SURPRISE, SINCE I AM A 75 YO GEEZER. IN MY FAVOR IS THE FACT THAT I HAVE BEEN SHOOTING HANDGUNS SINCE AGE 15.)
IS THE RUGER A 5 SHOT, OR A 6 SHOT ? ? ? I THINK THAT THE POPULAR BULLDOGS IN .44 SPECIAL ARE 5 SHOOTERS. AM I CORRECT ? ? ? I WOULD THINK THAT A K FRAME S&W WOULD HAVE TO BE A 5 SHOT ALSO.
IMHO, ANY COMPARISON IN ACCURACY IS NOT VALID, UNLESS IT IS MADE WITH THE SAME AMMO, OUT OF 2 GUNS WITH THE SAME LENGTH BARREL. THE TEST BETWEEN THE SNUBBY RUGER AND THE LONGER S&W IS INCONCLUSIVE.....
FOR MANY YEARS, I CARRIED A 3" M629, OUT OF WHICH I SHOT .44SPL LOADS, 95% OF THE TIME. I THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE LITTLE ADVANTAGE GAINED, GIVING UP ONE SHOT, TO GAIN A SLIGHT REDUCTION IN SIZE AND WEIGHT, BY GOING TO A K FRAME, 5 SHOOTER.......
BELOW ARE MY 3" M629, AND MY K FRAME M686+.....
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The Ruger GP-100 holds 5rds just like the M69 L Frame but it is only rated for .44 Special.
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01-13-2017, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by nipperdog
Well I wouldn"t expect the 2.75 M69 to shoot as tight as a 4.2" gun. The sight radius alone would make a difference. In regard to the 3" Ruger VS the 4.2" M69 and an incomplete Powder Burn I get groups just slightly larger to the M69 with the same loads in my 3" 629 so I suspect the Ruger may not be as accurate with my particular load. More experimentation is called for.
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One thing that you mention and I forgot is that you are using .44 SPL loads. My frame of reference is that I'm shooting .44 Mag. loads in a 629 with 5" bbl. I'm using 2400. You are probably using a powder a little quicker burning.
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I would wonder about complete powder burn with a 3" barrel.
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A very interesting website in case you haven't seen it:
BBTI - Ballistics by the Inch :: .44 Mag Results
It looks like it takes about a 14" barrel to get complete powder burn. I'm guessing in a 3" barrel the in-barrel powder burn is about 50% (based on the fact that the longer barrel has 50% higher velocity and the assumption that it requires 4x powder to achieve 2x velocity).
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If I'm right, why would you want a less accurate model 69?
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The same reason we carry snub nose versions of other revolvers: they are easier to carry and conceal. A 240 grain bullet going over 1000 fps is still quite a punch.
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01-13-2017, 03:54 PM
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One thing that you mention and I forgot is that you are using .44 SPL loads. My frame of reference is that I'm shooting .44 Mag. loads in a 629 with 5" bbl. I'm using 2400. You are probably using a powder a little quicker burning.
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Hi Mike: I'm using Unique in the .44 Specials, but may load some with Bullseye, or Tightgroup and see if that helps close up the Group
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Barrel marking on the 69
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