Out for a little range time with the hand cannon yesterday and got this picture off of a slow mo video my buddy took for me.

Makes a strong argument for a .308.

What do you use to clean powder residue off your objective lens?

I am surprised the front of the scope isn't melted. IMO if I need that much fire power I will use a rifle. You are correct calling it a hand cannon.
Awesome pic for sure.
Now just imagine how much more powerful it would be if all that power didn't escape out the barrel.

Sounds like someone needs channel his inner Elmer Keith

More like a 45-70!

Best,
Rick

Just got my 6.5 500 Magnum today. Cannot wait to take it to my local range.

Never had a problem with powder reissue on the scope. Scope is just fine not melted yet. In that picture it looks a lot worse than it is. I was shooting hornady 200 grain.

actually the 460 magnum almost is a 45-70 in dimension and is close to a 308 in ballistics...

I think possibly a different powder might make it more pleasant to shoot.

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Close?

While I find comparing the 460 to 308 a stretch

An apple to apple comparison is difficult

The only bullet weight you could compare side by side is 200 grain and the 308 is at its limit and even the 30-06 can not match at the light end of 460 bullet weight, they make just over 2000 fps in 22 to 26 inch barrels.

A 460 will make 2250 fps with 7.5" or better and out of a 22" barrel it makes 2950 fps with the factory Hornady 200FTX load he says he used in the picture.

So why carry a rifle when a revolver can get it done?!!

Nice picture:


Be safe and good luck
Ruggy

BAMBAM and l were making "460 FIREBALLS" today too..

Guy in the next lane shooting his AR stopped and wanted

to know if it was LEGAL to own/shoot such a CANNON indoors.

Range guy said as long as l pay my money and be SAFE it was OK.

200gr FTX ain't exactly QUIET, will get your ATTENTION tho��

...and if you use a rifle, you are not a handgun hunter. Pretty simple. There's a reason some of us prefer using handguns over a rifle. It has to do with the challenge of hunting with a handgun, just as those that prefer to use a rifle have a reason....because it's so much easier than using a handgun. Hitting a 8" gong at 150 yards with a rifle is something my 10 year old grand-daughter can do, quite regularly. But it takes a good handgun and a damn good handgunner to do the same with a revolver. So whenever I hear folks make the above quote, I always think of my grand-daughter.......

Oh brother. Saying the way you choose to hunt is the most whatever by virtue of being unlike your grand daughter is hilarious . In the same way, bow hunters could compare themselves to fire-arm hunters. The principle is, anybody can beat their manly chest by cherry picking equipment and circumstances and saying how much more challenging it is.

As recently as last week I hunted with a .357 Magnum which generally speaking is less than half the energy of a .500 or .460 Magnum, and shot placement therefore becomes more critical; my optic has no magnification increasing the "challenge"; am I therefore less like your grand daughter than you?

Finally I think the posts nodding towards a .308 scratches at a legitimate issue. These .460 Magnum and .500 Magnum hand-bombs - are a hunting platform for sure; but they are also for some purchasers a novelty that have people posting pictures of massive fireballs, recoil, and every type of container of water being annihilated Nothing wrong with that - I like the OP's picture, and I'd like to shoot his gun. But like many, when that kind of fire-power is called for, I'm grabbing a .308 or .300 Win Mag before I every reach for a .500 or .460 Magnum. After all, an 800 yard shot is a manly challenge my grand daughter can't do.

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I like that. He's shooting a rifle indoors, and wants to complain about noise.

I actually think the argument for the .460 is economy!

With just one revolver, I can fire the beefiest .45 Colts, plus .454 Casull, plus .460 S&W Magnum (not to mention .45 Schofield if I can't make .45 Colts light enough for plinkin' and weak-wristed buddies).

By my count, purchasing a .460 saves me having to buy two or three more guns! I'd be dumb not to buy one!

I choose to hunt with my 460 to challenge my self to become a better shooter and better hunter. I have been hunting since I was 12 years old with a 30.06. I am now going to be 36 years old and have been hunting with my pistol only for the past ten years to give the critters a sporting chance. I have shot more deer in pa with my rifle than I can count and I just got bored with the rifle. I also have shot one pa black bear with my trusty old rifle so ten years ago I got the pistol and I love hunting with it. Sad to say that I missed a pa bear this past season with my 460 but there is always next year and more range time to practice. I know there are guys how prefer rifles over pistols or vice versa but however you choose the hunt is great because you were out in the woods enjoying yourself

When I take my 460V to the indoor range that I go too I always take the time to warn anyone else in the bay that I am about to make a big bang, most people appreciate the warning and enjoy the the final fire ball. I have been doing 4 454's then 1 460 after some plinking with 45 colts.

The range/shop has a nice collection of guns to rent and there only restriction is with shotguns, since anything smaller than 00 buck could bounce back from their bullet trap. By the way they started stocking 454's and 460's for me since they sold me the gun.

X-FRAMES are simply just plain fun! I have a couple good fireball pics from my 460V.

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Can't even see your 460 looks like you're just holding a ball fire. That's awesome!!!

Eliminate the bullet and you have the worlds most powerful non lethal completely debilitating weapon known to man or at least a night anyway.

Guesses as to the amount of 'wasted' energy-40%?-this is NOT intended to be a negative comment, I do like the picture....imagine what the visuals would be with a ported barrel ??

Well, my 460V does have the compensator like many do. The relatively short barrel at 5" including the comp does it's share to put on a good fireworks show. Ruggyh has a slew of 460's with some REAL shorties in the mix.

As to wasted energy, I couldn't even begin to answer that. I can only say I have had a discussion about that very same thing with my brother recently only it was about a rifle and I'm not convinced that flames from the muzzle always means lost energy. Just my opinion based on my own limited knowledge. I would certainly be interested to know for sure

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I've still got it made.

Never said my way of hunting was being unlike my grand-daughter. You did. I said my 10 year old grand-daughter is not challenged by the average 150 yard shot most folks make on a deer with a rifle. No where did I say anything was wrong with folks that hunt with a rifle. I hunted for 40 years with a rifle and still do in some scenarios. I just found that for me, with the way I hunt, it presents little or no challenge. Which is why I hunt. The quality of my hunt is in the pursuit. Same reason I enjoy bowhunting. Bowhunters do compare themselves to firearm hunters all the time, as a sport more challenging. It's not chest beating, it's the truth. Another truth is the way some foks feel it's fine to chastise others and their choice of weapons, but them get their panties in a wad when they think someone is criticizing theirs. I hear this same old expression "if I want that much firepower, I'll just use a rifle" all the time.....and as I said before, that's fine, but it's not hunting with a handgun, which is a whole different apple.


...and again, it's not hunting with a handgun. With today's modern weapons, optics and technology, hitting an animal @ 800 yards takes no more skill than it did for my grandfather to make a 150 yard shot on a deer with his old .iron sighted .32 special. Add to the fact that most everyone on the internet can easily make a 800 yard shot, I'm not impressed.

First 4 deer I took with a handgun were with .357. I still use it occasionally. I also hunt with my .44s as well as the .460. I see no difference in the importance of shot placement between any of them. You still aim for the same spot and you still have to hit that spot to make a quick/clean kill. Folks that think there is more margin for error by using a bigger bullet are unrealistic. Gut shoot a deer with any of them and you have the same ending, and it's not pretty. I use a bigger caliber to increase my effective range. There is no other straight-walled handgun cartridge that gives me the effective range for deer, as the .460.

As for the fireball representing a waste of energy, this again is a fallacy from the uninformed.

You guys ever hear of muzzle flash. Every weapon on the planet earth has one whether it be a rifle or pistol or a rocket launcher. So in my opinion the fireball has no wasted energy to the bullet. Some muzzle flashes may be bigger than others depending on the size and caliber of the weapon you are using.

While I agree with your main point, you should use accurate numbers if you're going to compare. Even the 308, well out of it's comfort range, easily exceeds 2300 fps.

7 loads available in .308 Winchester with bullet weight equal 200

I have a nice load for my compact 18" barrel Ruger American 308 that pushes 200 gr to about 2450 fps. Some get 2550 with a 22" barrel.

Understand you agree

BUT none of those are Factory loads ( I used actual factory information above) - Please read my original post again.
Even then a your hand load data in comparable barrel length it still comes up short by 400 fps compared to factory Hornady 460 ammo- and this is not boutique stuff-like Buffalo Bore.

It would fall another 200 or 600fps total to my personal fasted hand load.

Be safe
Ruggy