Don't do this to me, Dave! I actually considered the SSR as well. I like the slab sided barrel, but I gravitate toward classic styling, so I'm afraid I'd get sick of it. The shop owner said he has multiple 686's on the shelf though, so if it's there, I'll get my grubby little fingers on it.

You may already know this, but you can put identical grips on a 66 or 686 and get the exact same trigger distance with either revolver. (The only exception is if one is square butt and the other round, but even this can be rectified by a gunsmith).

That said, given the choice I would take an older model 66 every time. They balance perfectly in my hands and the forcing cone issue is unlikely to ever come up unless you shoot thousands and thousands of magnums.

That may be true but put the two side by side there is a noticeable difference

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After handling the 686, 66, and 686 SSR at my LGS, I'm going with the 66, though the SSR was a close runner-up. I liked the bead blasted finish more than the standard matte finish in person. The triggers were about the same, but the SSR is more expensive and just felt a little bulkier than the 66.

This is going to bother the traditionalists out there, but I actually really liked the ball detent on the crane. I feel like it's a conceptually elegant way to ensure that the crane is in the same place when the gun goes bang. And seeing as I'm 30 years old and making my first handgun purchase, I have the benefit of not remembering the way things were.

Good choice (it helps not having the option of a bad choice), good luck & enjoy.

"...makes me lean towards the one I find prettier."... Beauty is in the eye of the gun holder, or something like that. Besides, no one wants an ugly gun in their collection.

My opinion is go with the 66.
The original 66 was my first carry gun. Should never have sold it off..

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The model 66 , there's just something right about the 66 K-frame 357 magnum with 4 inch barrel. It's just about the most perfect all around , if I could only only own one , revolver.
It's also a classy looking and handling revolver.
I can't put into words what it is.....it's like looking at a 1957 Chevy, it's just right.
But handle both and get the one that feels right and speaks to you, that will be the one for you .
Gary

I agree. It's not much, but the extra mass resulting from nearly a 1/8 inch difference in diameter is clearly visible by the human eye. If we were talking semi-autos, that much difference in slide width is even more obvious.

I have a 686 short barrel with mahogany grips NIB around 1989. I have shot 38s and magnums with it. I can't think of any good reason to use the 38s. The gun is perfectly weighted for the 357 with slow muzzle rise and to me no recoil with two hand stance. Why buy a 357 if you want a 38. Look at the difference in energy on target between the two. This was the deciding factor for me. Maybe a snub 38 as a backup on your ankle. Small size is the only advantage I can think of.

Great choice. Congratulations. You knew what you wanted, found a way to handle them all, and made your final decision. Good job.

All the modern improvements, best warranty possible, just enough retro. Strong enough to eat any & all the magnums you want to shoot. Not too big or small. Not too light or heavy. Shoot the heck out of it and have fun.

Next difficult choice is the holster, but that’s a story for another thread

Me, I’m lusting after the new version of the 67 and want to mount a red dot on it. Pics of some of my current favorites attached...

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I bought both a 4" 66 and a 6" 686 just before the lockdown. Since our local range opened 2 weeks ago I've put a couple hundred .38s through both guns and I find I like shooting the 66 more--it's noticeably lighter and I find I shoot it a bit better because I am less fatigued at the end of the sessions.

My lgs just got in both a 4" 66 and a 4" 686+, so I checked them out side by side. The 66 had an extremely heavy DA pull and the whole front of the cylinder window had rough machining/tool marks (it looked like the surface of a rasp, it was that rough!). The 686 action and finish was much better, but the 7 shot action felt weird to me. Both were priced within a few dollars of each other. If I had to choose between the two I'd buy the 686 but as it is I passed on both.

If I had to choose between my 66 and 686 I'd choose the 66 but fortunately I don't have to make that choice--I'm keeping both!

I never warmed up to the underlug on a Smith & Wesson...give me the Model 19 or the 66 over the 586/686....I would have been al over the L frames if not for the python imitation.

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SWCA #2906, SWHF #760

Wow! This one was resurrected from the dead! Zombie post!

Welcome to the forum Chrisyounts!

I guess talking about K & L frame Smiths is a timeless discussion.

I find it interesting that some did not notice the difference in recoil between the 66 & 686. I guess recoil is a subjective thing.

I own a 4” 66, a 4” 686 and a 4” 686 SSR (as well as a number of K & L frames) All are excellent revolvers and the SSR has some added touches that I believe are worth the money. The SSR is a little more refined but lacks the full underlug of the stock 686. I can feel the difference in weight and in recoil in all three of these guns, especially with full house 357 ammo. Each one handles just a bit differently imo.

You can’t go wrong with a 66 especially the newest iteration with the “new” lockup system. It is the strongest version of the k frame yet! I classify the 66 as “lightweight” handy revolver perfect for an outdoor carry piece, as well as an urban protector.

A classic Smith which is always a good place to start! Over the years you pick up another one, then another. Pretty soon you own half of the S&W product line! 😁

I’m with you jc2721-I’m keeping all of mine as well.

Hi, I was trying to decide between the two as well. In terms of aesthetics, I think I prefer the full lug but I am concerned about weight and distance to trigger. I’d say that for a women, I have medium sized hands ., maybe medium large. I’m almost 5’7” and weigh about 128 to 130 .., not the strongest wrists and hands. I want a 4 inch that can shoot 38’s but has capacity to shoot 357 magnums. I did see a 66-1 pinned and recessed in great condition but pricey at $1100, probably made in the 80’s although in beautiful condition, at least from pictures. Meanwhile, most dealers have little to no inventory of new 686 or 66’s in the 4 inch só when local dealer got in a 686 in 4 inch, I jumped in and bought it today but it’s on hold till my permit comes in. They say I can cancel order up until my permit arrives and now I am wondering if I made the right decision cause I don’t see myself getting multiple revolvers. This would be my first one and then I own a 12 gauge mossberg shotgun that I bought for looks and now realize that I probably should have purchased the 20 gauge. I think I’ve shot it just a couple of times when I first bought it. Anyway, I am new to all this ., learning and do not want to make the wrong decision. Unfortunately I can not handle the 66-1 I found and it is not returnable or refundable. Do I stick with the 686? Do I cancel that order and buy the 66-1 pinned and recessed that I found in great condition, but sight unseen. Help ., any input would be appreciated. Thank You.

No. The 686 is great.

There's not enough difference between then to matter, not practically anyway; and almost certainly not unless you compete.

The trigger reach should be identical.

Lastly, you should want an *auto* shotgun. Unsure if that's what you have. An auto 20 would be great.

A pump 20 gage you might find plenty unpleasant, too. Used guns hold their value reasonably well. Sell that pump, if that's what it is.

I'd get the 686+ Seven Shooter! Holds up better than a K frame and holds one more shot.

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I wear XL gloves. The K frames bang up my knuckle. The L frame makes me smile because it doesn't.

flockdance, welcome!

I think you will be fine with a 4" 686. With regular handling and range time I suspect you will not notice the difference in size/weight between this and a model 66. Start with standard pressure .38 Special and work up from there, and enjoy your first S & W!

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Thanks. I guess my biggest concern was length of trigger pull because that felt like a bit of a stretch for me. Is the 686 4” also a widely used gun by women? I know ., I’m so excited! My first
S & W. Revolver !!

Hi, thanks .., not sure what you mean by pump. It’s a mossberg mariner 500 12 gauge shotgun. I was thinking of selling it but someone said I should hold on to it. My local dealer offered to sell it ok consignment but they take 30%. Well, selling it would dedicatedly help towards paying for my revolver but I figure it’s good to have a shotgun in the house cause it’s hard to miss with that. When you say unpleasant you mean recoil? One of the sales guys at Ramsey Outdoor said you can tuck it under your arm when shooting as opposed to having it right up against your shoulder. He said that s’ was affective as well. Any thoughts there?

There is only one correct answer here...you need both. Simply accept that fact now and be done with it.

M-66 is smaller and lighter than M-686. Unless you'll fire many full .357 cartridges, M-66 is adequate.

M-686 is a medium heavy service .357 meant mainly for male cops. NO, it is not popular with women, who usually prefer smaller guns.

Most women I dated, and my ex and daughter were your height, but 115-125 pounds. Most preferred guns weighing not over 36 oz. My daughter has a M-60-4. Plus P recoil in that is about her limit.

But I knew Jo Anne Hall when she was both a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader and world champion action pistol champ, ladies div. She was an artist with a Colt .45 automatic. But generally carried a Colt .380...

If I had a Mossberg 500 Mariner in 12 ga it would be the last thing I'd ever consider selling. I've lusted after one of those for years! Hold on to it and learn to get comfortable with it. Maybe start with lighter target loads till the 12 ga recoil is no longer a shock or a surprise. I don't know what to think about the "tuck it under your arm" advice. Learn to shoulder the firearm properly, use your upper body, your stance, and ask someone experienced about aim and forming a good cheek weld. That thing can become awesome in your hands. A shotgun that you know how to use combined with a competent handgun compliment each other and make for quite a formidable home defense.

I think you have answered my question. I should go with the lighter gun. I plan to shoot 38’s so the 66 will do. Does it matter that it is not the new version. This one is pinned and recessed in excellent condition and seller is now making an exception to accept return if I don’t like it. Thanks for the input.

Thank you! I will keep it and learn how to use it. The store was low in ammo and only had Remington 12 gauge 1oz, 2 ¾ length slugger lead Slugs. Have no idea if that’s a light load. Can you recommend a light load ammunition I should use? Thank you.

The grip frame is the same. Distance to trigger should not be different.

Like any used item selling it through a dealer will cost you a lot more. Party to party you'll make a lot more.

500 is a pump. Google pump vs auto. Yes I'm talking recoil. That would be the only reason you'd suggest going from 12 to 20???

Tucking a shotgun under your arm is absurd. That salesman is a moron. If you want to hit your target proper technique goes a long way, especially if under extreme duress.

At 5'-7 a full size shotgun should fit??? Maybe a youth gun???

Sell that shotgun and get one that fits you. I'd stay away from that store. Talk to a knowledgeable shotgun salesman to fit you.

If you only want this gun for self defense I suppose a pump is fine. However, if you don't practice with it I'm not sure you'd pump it if needed. An auto should be as reliable as a pump on the first round.

If you plan to use it recreationally you need an auto if the pump recoil is an issue.

Wow, this thread has been 'revived' a couple times, I see why its a real good subject!

Since dusting off a 66-3 4" and learning how much fun they are I agree. I want a 686, maybe a + in a shorter barrel. Many thanks to the forum!!!

They sold you slugs? I would never go back to that store. Sporting goods stores here have plenty of shotgun shells.

If recoil is an issue get an auto. 20 ga even.

I hope you have someone to teach you proper and safe use of these guns. Do not load these guns if you do not know what you are doing.

I do not think the 2 oz. Weight difference of the 66 vs 686 would matter to you.

Why do you think the difference is just 2 oz.? Weigh loaded guns of both models with four-inch barrels.

The slug loads have heavy recoil. A female FBI agent turned novelist said she dreaded qualifying with those in shotguns.

Trap and skeet loads kick less and are better for beginners with shotguns.

Because the first Google that comes up is a post on this forum that states the difference in weight is 2.7 oz.

Checking S&W confirms 2.8 oz.

If I didn't think the 2 oz. mattered I wasn't worried about typing out the .7.

"The dreaded 66 vs 686 question".

There really is no question. Plan on eventually owning one of each.

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You're 100% correct on owning both. It is fun to switch back and forth between the two or shooting both at the same time. It's good off-hand practice!

I will guess the reason for your interest in guns, and ideally you should have bought a compact or full size 9 mm semi automatic, just like a huge number of law enforcement agencies use. Except all of those are sold out.
Shotgun? yeah, 12 gauge slugs have a lot of recoil. Softest shooting rounds you are likely to find in 12 gauge are game loads in #6 shot, or skeet or trap loads in #7.5 shot.

My favorite revolvers...thanks for sharing.

I can’t believe the sales man sold me those slugs then. I wonder if he’ll take them back. I will look into the lighter loads that were recommended here. And yes, one of the sales men tucked my shotgun under his arm to demonstrate how I could shoot it so I wouldn’t feel push back on my shoulder. I think it all depends on who you get at this store. The weight difference of the 2+ ounces, I think for me, makes a difference. I did apply for 2 permits so I could purchase both. I imagine resale value is not decreasing any time soon? I think the 66, being slightly lighter, is a better choice. Now I have to decide if I just get both of them and do I buy the 66-1 in the 4” pre-owned in excellent condition (No box or warrantee) but pinned and recessed or do I wait to find a new one. Thank you everyone for the help. I am a newbie but I want to learn, practice and find someone who can actually teach me the right way. Found this forum by accident and so happy I did.

My interest lies in self defense/ home defense and in learning & practicing. My grandfather took me shooting once and fishing s few times and I guess that’s the root of it because I like to go fishing as well. I mean you can’t carry guns in NJ. But I can practice with them on a range and keep them home for protection and learn how to be good at it through practice. I will try and find those lighter rounds. Thks

My brother carried this 66-1 the first 10 years he was a Sheriff's Deputy.



He chose this 686 for silhouette competitions.

It has a High Patridge front sight, Millet rear sight and some custom trigger work. Its the most accurate gun I own.

When I carry a revolver for a EDC its my 642-1.

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Endeavor to persevere.

Can't say i have ever fired .357 out of any k frame(model66) some people say its wild, I have a 3in 66-3 nib that I love, but thats for my later years....

What I can say is I have fired thousands from the Lframe and its by far my favorite fit feel finish (686 4in) revo I have... as a matter of fact I carried my 686+ last night AIWB in a AnR design holster and it felt surprisingly well did some draw n point, felt really good...

Thats why there are so many flavors of guns find something that works for you.... i would sniff out a 66 and see how it feels

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Luke 22:36

I had a 1968 model 19-3 6" for probably 15 years. Stupidly sold it 12 years ago. During the time I had it, I shot everything out of it without giving ammo choice a second thought. Thousands of 38s, hundreds of 357s, whatever was on sale at my local gun store. This was "pre internet," so what did I know! That gun NEVER had a single hiccup, with anything, and I'm certain I shot plenty 125gr 357s out of it.

I currently have a 686-1 6" with the "M" stamp. I expect the same level of awesomeness out of it and have so far not been disappointed.

I used to carry a 3" Model 13 followed by a 2 1/2" Model 66 and a 2 1/2" Model 686+ and I now carry a 3" 686+.

The grip frames and trigger reach on the K and L frames are identical, so the major difference is about 2-3 oz in weight at any given barrel length.

I don't find that few ounces of weight makes any difference in shooting a K frame .357 Magnum. Decent rubber grips help a bit with the short ones, but they are not essential like they are with a J Magnum frame with .357 Magnum loads.

My 640-1 is the one you want to shoot 125 gr .357 Magnum loads with.


Here's one of my daughter's firing it with .357 loads.

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Endeavor to persevere.

Been shooting both for since the 686 was introduced in the early 1980s.... IMO a 4" 686 is the best utility/duty/general purpose .357 one can own...... that said for everyday concealed carry..... make mine a 3" K-frame. I'm lucky enough to own both 3" Model 66s and 65s.

But nothing wrong with a 2 1/2 inch 19 or 66

I can get by with cc'ing a 4" k-frame but it's an unpreferred option to the shorter barrels.

Oh no .., That’s a nice looking gun as well. Is that lighter then the 66 in 4” ?

I was starting think I should just get both revolvers I was trying to decide between . The new 686 in the 4 inch and the 66-1 in 4” preowned in great condition cause it looks old school. Now I have to check out the model your wife uses. lol I thought I had decided. I don’t know whether to thank you or not.

I have had a 686 since the S&W Model CS-1 hit the market. It has a 4” barrel. Later I added a 6” model 686. My CS-1 is one of the best Field .357 to ever hit the market. I shoot it extremely well whether shooting .38 Special target loads or full .357’s. The issue rubber grips not only fit me perfectly but absorb recoil handily. I can shoot full loads all day long without issue.

In reality, the O.P. Needs only to please himself. Either of the guns he is looking at will work well.

I know I am MORE than pleased with my choice!👍👍👍







Dale53

For my hands the rubber grips don't help a bit - they help a LOT! At least when firing magnum loads. Some years ago I fired a friends 4" Model 19 with factory wooden target stocks and it was painful at round one. This was firing the Federal 125 JHP magnums.

My own 66 at the time with 2 1/2" barrel had no discomfort at all with Hogue rubber grips firing magnum loads.

I don't find Target grips on a K frame to be all that comfortable with .357 Magnum loads as they tend to want to roll up under heavy recoil. However, I like them with .38 Special and have them on my Model 19s, Model 14 and Model 15.



I do like the combat profiled wood grips and I have them on my Model 13. They are not as comfortable as a rubber grip as they don't absorb any recoil, but they are far more comfortable than a Target grip under recoil and are both low profile and non-sticky, which is nice for CCW.

No.



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If you're really considering the 66 why not just get the 19? Much better looking gun!