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Old 03-12-2017, 11:53 AM
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Bought a 586-2 the other day and the previous owner says it has only been factory fired. After getting it home i'm not sure if this is true. If not, it hasn't been fired much. I bought it because after looking at new 586's (w/lock, MIM parts, etc.) I decided an older model was the way to go. I paid less than what a new 586 would have been after tax so if it has been fired it makes it an easy decision to enjoy it. Do ya'll think it has been fired? I'm about 75% sure i'm going to shoot it and enjoy it either way unless someone can convince me otherwise. Decisions decisions...
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Without a doubt, you should shoot it.
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I would be hard for me to tell from pictures if it has been fired or not. It looks really clean and the decision to shoot it is totally up to you. Shooting it and then cleaning it regularly after you shoot it should keep it looking nice for a long time.
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I would be hard for me to tell from pictures if it has been fired or not. It looks really clean and the decision to shoot it is totally up to you. Shooting it and then cleaning it regularly after you shoot it should keep it looking nice for a long time.
Pretty much my thoughts. I'm a freak about cleaning my guns after shooting and don't let them go back in the safe without being cleaned. My only concern was if I would be devaluing it significantly by firing it. For the record, I've never understood owning a gun you don't shoot but I guess I could pick up a cheaper one in lesser condition if i'd be hurting this one.
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Like Art said, shoot it and clean it properly. It will look good and you'll find it's a fine shooter.

I've shot this nickel 586, not a lot but only because I like to shoot my 6 inch one better.




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Did you buy it with the intent to resell? If not, then the answer seems obvious to me.

Beautiful gun! Enjoy it.
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The factory generally test-fires every other chamber of a cylinder, and this one looks to have been fired on all six. Therefore, at least two people have fired it, and you should go forth and do likewise .

A lead removal cloth with your favorite cleaner/solvent cleans this area up nicely, but you probably know this already. Enjoy!
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Just remember that cleaning a nickel gun is different than blue or stainless . That nickel plating is veeerry thin , so its easy to scrub through it . I would avoid cleaners that contain ammonia or abrasives . There is a difference between wax and polish . I have owned several nickel guns .
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Just remember that cleaning a nickel gun is different than blue or stainless . That nickel plating is veeerry thin , so its easy to scrub through it . I would avoid cleaners that contain ammonia or abrasives . There is a difference between wax and polish . I have owned several nickel guns .
Glad you brought that up. I'm sure this is a thread in itself but what cleaners, wax, oil, etc. should be used and what should not be used. I've heard Hoppes 9 can harm nickel as I'm sure other solvents can as well. What about only using ballistol and a good quality oil?
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If I can't carry it and shoot it, I don't want it. Real nice gun. It would be a shame to not shoot it.
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The lead removal cloths are labeled as safe for nickel (and stainless), but not for blued finishes. The cleaner (I use plain old Break Free) helps to remove the residue and also makes the cloth less abrasive. A patch soaked with this and light pressure usually cleans a cylinder face in about 60 seconds.
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I say shoot it and enjoy it. Very nice purchase. I am biased in that I buy guns to shoot them and my nickel 586 gets regular range use.
I like those wood grips.


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No doubt it had been fired outside of the factory. You can shoot thousands of rounds through it without much notice, if you are careful in the handling.
It's certainly a beauty, and the photos appear that it has been polished.
Looks like a lot of future fun!
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No doubt it had been fired outside of the factory. You can shoot thousands of rounds through it without much notice, if you are careful in the handling.
It's certainly a beauty, and the photos appear that it has been polished.
Looks like a lot of future fun!
Gotcha. It stinks being lied to but I assumed it had and hopefully didn't overpay for it. What do you think one in this condition is worth?
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I agree that it's been fired by two or more people as test firing is usually three shots.

But I say just shoot and enjoy it. I have owned a 4" and 6" M19 in nickel and enjoyed them both. I wish I had the 4" back but I'm enjoying my M66 now.
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If'n it was mine, you couldn't KEEP me from shooting it.

But that's just me.

And, that is a peach of a revolver ! Very nice.
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Gotcha. It stinks being lied to but I assumed it had and hopefully didn't overpay for it. What do you think one in this condition is worth?
A nice 4" nickel 586 with box would probably be in the $650-700 range. A collector who would fuss over a NIB/unfired since factory example might pay slightly more than this, but the value for yours probably won't change much no matter how much you shoot it, as long as the finish condition is good. This is called a hint .
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I have the same one and It has rounds through it by me. It still looks almost new after 31 years!

Cannot tell from the pictures but there was a recall on early models. I only shoot 38s so mine has not gone back.

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I have the same one and It has rounds through it by me. It still looks almost new after 31 years!

Cannot tell from the pictures but there was a recall on early models. I only shoot 38s so mine has not gone back.

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Bought a 586-2 the other day and the previous owner says it has only been factory fired. After getting it home i'm not sure if this is true. If not, it hasn't been fired much.
I would guess it has been fired since it left the factory, based on the front of the cylinder and the turn line. Bear in mind, that's just my opinion based on a few photos.

What does the top of the frame look like, just above the forcing cone?

At any rate, I would shoot that fine revolver and enjoy it. No question about that!
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On the recall some needed it and some didn't as my 686 never had a problem. They will still do the recall for free if yours has a problem. The only way to tell is to go out and shoot it.
The dash two's were not subject to the recall. The problem was remedied by then. BTW, that girl is no virgin. Keep shooting it and just give it some TLC as needed. Enjoy.

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I don't clean nickel guns any differently than I do anything else. Yes, I know ammonia based solvents are bad for nickel, but generally if you are not soaking your gun in it, you are not going to have an issue. Internally I like Hoppe's more than I like anything else and that doesn't affect the finish. Externally all I'm doing it is giving it a rubdown with my usual cleaning rag (which is full of Hoppe's and Remoil). Now if I come across something that is already losing the nickel finish in places, I will try to be careful that I don't let any Hoppe's soak those spots because it will work it's way under the finish and continue the removal. I've been working this way basically my entire life and I have no problems with any nickel guns I have ever had. YMMV. P.S. Hoppe's does have a new non ammoniated formula out, I can't vouch for it because I'm still using old stuff.
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I would guess it has been fired since it left the factory, based on the front of the cylinder and the turn line. Bear in mind, that's just my opinion based on a few photos.

What does the top of the frame look like, just above the forcing cone?

At any rate, I would shoot that fine revolver and enjoy it. No question about that!
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Sure is a beauty... to shoot or not to shoot? That's the reason I don't own any nickel guns
I prefer ss and blued and not having to be afraid of damaging the finish.
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It's definitely been shot before, because it was made to shoot.
Shoot it!
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Remember that they test fire a gun for a reason. And during that test if something is wrong, it is fixed and goes thru the test again, and maybe again. I've bought nib guns back in the 80's that looked like maybe 20 or more shots fired. I was a dealer then and they came directly from a distributor.
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The factory generally test-fires every other chamber of a cylinder, and this one looks to have been fired on all six. Therefore, at least two people have fired it, and you should go forth and do likewise .

A lead removal cloth with your favorite cleaner/solvent cleans this area up nicely, but you probably know this already. Enjoy!
I agree with this ^^^^^^^^

Shoot it and give it the love it deserves...... Unless for resale, shooting is the only way for you to truly get to know each other. That is a beautiful revolver. Enjoy!!
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Remember that they test fire a gun for a reason. And during that test if something is wrong, it is fixed and goes thru the test again, and maybe again. I've bought nib guns back in the 80's that looked like maybe 20 or more shots fired. I was a dealer then and they came directly from a distributor.
Yeah I think this may have been the case. I got bored today and cleaned it and even took off the side plate to give it a look. It hadn't been cleaned but was clean like a new one if that makes sense. Either way, I'm in it at a fair price and I'm definitely going to shoot it and enjoy. As other people have said, if I'm not going to sell it why not shoot it. I've sold some guns in the past and regret it so no more unless I really have to.
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Shoot, clean, repeat.

I have never bought a gun within the intention of later selling it and realizing a profit. All of my guns were purchased to shoot.

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Could be, probably was, still look like a good buy!
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That's a very nice Nickel 586-2. My vote is to enjoy it in the manner that brings you the most pleasure. If that means firing it and cleaning it properly afterwards by all means do it. However, I do own a few firearms that I don't shoot, but I still get much pleasure just owning them and getting them out to admire from time to time. So, whatever brings you the most pleasure, do it.
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If it were really unfired I might have the same consideration as you. But that thing has been shot. The turn line alone is evidence, and it would not leave the factory with the powder rings on the face of the cylinder looking like that.
Shoot the heck out of it. It's a 586! The most you'd lose in value would be $50 anyway. I waste $50 doing things much less awesome than shooting an L Frame.
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If it were really unfired I might have the same consideration as you. But that thing has been shot. The turn line alone is evidence, and it would not leave the factory with the powder rings on the face of the cylinder looking like that.
Shoot the heck out of it. It's a 586! The most you'd lose in value would be $50 anyway. I waste $50 doing things much less awesome than shooting an L Frame.
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Generally the L Frames are not collector's items. There are some rare configurations that will bring $ but a nickel 4" is too common to be especially sought after in the collector market.

Maybe in another 10 years an unfired nickel 586 would be worth 30% more than shooter grade. But it wouldn't bother me. At most a couple/few hundred dollars for years of shooting pleasure is well worth it.
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Ranger...Two options in my opinion. (1)Buy another to shoot and enjoy in nickel or blue 4". (2) Start shooting your nice unfired? 586-2 as soon as possible. I just happen to think they are the best handling and looking revolvers ever produced. I have not found anything to beat this sweet S&W 586...including the Python. Personally, I think the 4" is as accurate as the 6". You can shoot 38's or 357's. Just depends on if you like big bangs or softer booms. The full underlug will keep that baby nice and stable while knocking down those targets with ease.
Please enjoy!!!! She will love you for it. Whew...I think I'll have a smoke now...and I don't even smoke.
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That gun has been fired past the factory testing and it should continue to be fired. If you don't want to fire it, why own it?
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The factory generally test-fires every other chamber of a cylinder, and this one looks to have been fired on all six. Therefore, at least two people have fired it, and you should go forth and do likewise .

A lead removal cloth with your favorite cleaner/solvent cleans this area up nicely, but you probably know this already. Enjoy!
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Ranger1202...You ever go ahead and shoot that 586?
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Pretty much my thoughts. I'm a freak about cleaning my guns after shooting and don't let them go back in the safe without being cleaned. My only concern was if I would be devaluing it significantly by firing it. For the record, I've never understood owning a gun you don't shoot but I guess I could pick up a cheaper one in lesser condition if i'd be hurting this one.
I am of the same ilk, I never buy a gun to not shoot it. And if I own a gun and don't enjoy shooting it, its gone.
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Pretty much my thoughts. I'm a freak about cleaning my guns after shooting and don't let them go back in the safe without being cleaned. My only concern was if I would be devaluing it significantly by firing it. For the record, I've never understood owning a gun you don't shoot but I guess I could pick up a cheaper one in lesser condition if i'd be hurting this one.
I am of the same ilk, I never buy a gun to not shoot it. And if I own a gun and don't enjoy shooting it, its gone.
I recently bought a 625-5 45C, made in 1993 but NIB. I will be shooting it tomorrow.
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Shoot it, of course.

It's beautiful. It was made to shoot.
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A beautiful revolver, I just acquired a nickle model 19-5 that I really like.

I would shoot it, or not, whatever cranks your tractor. :-) No matter what we think, it's your revolver and your money that was spent.

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Shoot it or sell it because when you go to the great shooting range in the sky someone is going to sell it for a nice profit or shoot the living daylights out of it.


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Heck, yeah! Shoot, clean, oil, repeat as desired. That's what it was built for, no ?

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Shoot it. Fun to shoot, and they clean up fine!
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Guns are made to be shot................
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While I understand desire to keep it as pristine as possible, I shoot all my guns, as that's what they were made for.

As an example, I bird hunt, and all of my shotguns have taken birds, to include my Merkel 1620. That said, the Merkel only comes out in good weather and in locales where I am guaranteed not to scratch or knock it up. Crappy weather hunts are relegated to my Remington 870 or Berreta white wing :-)
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That cylinder face is filthy. That gun has definitely been fired, and more than a few times. Shoot it and enjoy it.
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