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03-22-2017, 11:15 AM
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NC beach model 60-15 keeps
The bullets for about a month and then the salt air from the beach location evidently sweats the bullets and cylinder won't turn. What can I do. Bought this brand new 2012 for concealed carry since I live on island on coast of NC. My 686 does the same thing. Factory ammo is used. Keep in a safe now unloaded. Glock has no problem with ammo in the exact location.
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03-23-2017, 08:48 PM
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Brass casings?
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03-23-2017, 09:16 PM
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Try nickle plated brass and jacketed bullets.
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03-23-2017, 09:19 PM
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Go with nickel cases. Then if using hollow points with exposed lead, paint the bullets with some clear fingernail polish to seal them from the salt air. You can also give a very light coat around the primer edge.
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03-23-2017, 09:21 PM
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My Model 60-15 is my primary beach gun.
I clean mine once a week when at the beach, and I use nickel plated brass with jacketed hollow point bullets (with no special treatment of the exposed lead) and have zero problems.
In salt air, regular cleaning is pretty much a given.
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03-23-2017, 09:35 PM
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I use 147gr Federal HST (P9HST2), and the Nickle case does not oxidize, but the jacketed hollow point does (green leeches from it). I wipe the rounds down occasionally, and shoot them every few months.
I I lived at the ocean, I would consider the clear nail polish mentioned.
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Interesting thread. Learning a bit here. Like the nail polish trick.
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03-24-2017, 11:30 AM
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I use 147gr Federal HST (P9HST2), and the Nickle case does not oxidize, but the jacketed hollow point does (green leeches from it). I wipe the rounds down occasionally, and shoot them every few months.
I I lived at the ocean, I would consider the clear nail polish mentioned.
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This is worth highlighting.
A friend of mine showed me his concealed carry handgun recently and to do so he cleared the weapon. I was totally distracted by the condition of the round that came out of the chamber as well as the top couple rounds I could see in the magazine.
I commented that those were some of the nastiest rounds I'd sen in a long time. He agreed and cited the high cost of his chosen carry round.
I advised that in all cases, the rounds we actually have in our self defense handguns can quickly become the lowest quality ammo we own, and that expending it down range every 1 to 3 months is important to ensure that a) it still works like it is supposed to in our personal weapons, and b) that it never gets to the point that it looks that bad.
I also advise caution about wiping self defense rounds down with a rust preventative oil. You run the risk of oil seeping in between the primer and primer pocket and potentially de-activating the primer. There's less risk of oil getting past the bullet at damaging he powder to the point it hurts performance, but it's still a non zero risk.
There is nothing wrong with sealing the interface between primer pocket with a lacquer (like fingernail polish), but IMHO it's not required if you are properly maintaining your pistol, expending the rounds down range after a reasonable period of time, and not wiping the rounds down with oil to try to prevent corrosion.
I find that a thin coat of neutral shoe polish or carnauba car wax is a better approach to prevent rust on the metal of a concealed carry handgun, and the same applies to a cartridge if you feel the need to try to keep it from corroding.
But it's far better to just shoot them before they get that bad.
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03-24-2017, 11:52 AM
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Re BB57's above post
Rather than reprint the entire post, let me just:
^^^^what he said!
I agree that the cost of EDC ammo should not be a factor. Sadly, the mfgrs have chosen the "boutique ammo" route with their 20 (or is it 25?) round packaging of what I term "business ammo." The cost of loading the chamber, in-gun magazine and spare mag with many hi-cap semi-autos can approach $50, using JHPs, if my math is correct. Frankly, it would cause me to hesitate, if only momentarily.
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I agree that the cost of EDC ammo should not be a factor. Sadly, the mfgrs have chosen the "boutique ammo" route with their 20 (or is it 25?) round packaging of what I term "business ammo." The cost of loading the chamber, in-gun magazine and spare mag with many hi-cap semi-autos can approach $50, using JHPs, if my math is correct. Frankly, it would cause me to hesitate, if only momentarily.
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When I first started in this hobby, and my ammo came from Big-Box stores, I obsessed about ammo to the point I dreamed about acquiring it. Then I discovered mail-order ammo, and it's not a concern anymore.
One of the mail-order discoveries is 50rd boxes of Federal HST that is half the cost of retail, and not seen in stores.
Throw a few boxes in with a case-lot order of plinking ammo, and it's a reasonable price.
50 Round Box - 9mm Luger Federal HST 147 Grain Hollow Point LE Ammo P9HST2 | SGAmmo.com
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kaaskop49
Rather than reprint the entire post, let me just:
^^^^what he said!
I agree that the cost of EDC ammo should not be a factor. Sadly, the mfgrs have chosen the "boutique ammo" route with their 20 (or is it 25?) round packaging of what I term "business ammo." The cost of loading the chamber, in-gun magazine and spare mag with many hi-cap semi-autos can approach $50, using JHPs, if my math is correct. Frankly, it would cause me to hesitate, if only momentarily.
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Hornady refuses to sell their latest self defense (but pretty much unproven in real life more than a few incidents)bullets to handloaders.. even though we hand loaders are the only reason they survived all these decades.
Gives me a very bad taste in my mouth as far as buying any new Hornady equipment, bullets or other products. The heck with Hornady's high dollar Boutique ammo attitude..........
BUT the best news is that Speer sells their well proven Gold Dot Hollow Point bullets (in all pistol calibres) both as loaded ammo & as bullets only to handloaders. The Speer GD's have been used in literally hundreds, if not thousands of shootings by LEO's over the years & they've never failed yet, if the shooter did his part.. no matter the clothes worn by the person who was shot..A good friend who is US Border Patrol recommends them above every other brand.
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attn bigwheelzip
Many, many thanks for your kind information! Good to know as I am starting to shoot 9mm handguns.
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Hornady refuses to sell their latest self defense (but pretty much unproven in real life more than a few incidents)bullets to handloaders.. even though we hand loaders are the only reason they survived all these decades.
Gives me a very bad taste in my mouth as far as buying any new Hornady equipment, bullets or other products. The heck with Hornady's high dollar Boutique ammo attitude..........
BUT the best news is that Speer sells their well proven Gold Dot Hollow Point bullets (in all pistol calibres) both as loaded ammo & as bullets only to handloaders. The Speer GD's have been used in literally hundreds, if not thousands of shootings by LEO's over the years & they've never failed yet, if the shooter did his part.. no matter the clothes worn by the person who was shot..A good friend who is US Border Patrol recommends them above every other brand.
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I agree with the sentiment about Hornady and their FTX bullets.
In addition to Speer selling the Gold Dots as hand loading components, Remington also sells their Golden Saber as a component.
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With no offense intended, I would carry the Glock if I lived in the environment you are describing. Once a week field strip and into the dishwasher for a quick rinse.
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I live in the same type of climate on the Texas Gulf Coast, and never had that kind of problem. I have had rust appear on my stainless guns under the rubber grips, but otherwise, I've not had a problem with my ammo.
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Renaissance wax does a decent job of protecting the cases and bullets from the environment.
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Salt water is one of the few places [extreme cold/snow the other]
that an auto is beater than a revolver.
The easy to take down [aka mil spec] design is intended to make
maintainance easier.
The junk and water can be removed without loosing small parts.
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