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Old 04-24-2017, 09:56 AM
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Just picked up my first revolver a couple months ago. 629 .44 mag for hunting. Now im hooked on revolvers and would like to purchase one for everyday carry. Ive narrowed it down to 2 models. both 357mag with 3inch barrels. cant decide between the 686 plus (all stainless with rubber grip) or the 586 L-Comp (blued steel with wood grip and comped barrel). The 586 is a performance center model, and the actions on the PC's I really like. Anybody own either of these? Thoughts? Opinions? Experience?
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Welcome to the forum.

I like PC guns, and occasionally carry a 3" 686, I just don't want any ported carry. Many experienced members say ported carry is not a problem, and I believe them. I just choose to remove the possibility of a problem, by not having the feature.

They are both choices you can have confidence in. Enjoy.
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You should pick the sidearm that fits you the best, is adequate for the job at hand AND THAT YOU WILL PRACTICE WITH AND CARRY EVERYDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tis better to have a .38 in the pocket than to have a .44 in the gun safe.

I have been carrying everyday for over 40 years. When I was young, I carried my duty gun, generally a .45 auto or a .44 or .45 revolver. Since I retired and no longer live in the area where I was a police officer, I pocket carry a 2" .38 special Colt Agent and a speed loader. If I walk outside, that little Colt is in my pocket. Nowadays, my biggest threat is rabid animals, but there are still two legged predators out there.
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You are now on the slippery slope. Hang on to your wallet! We are a great bunch of enablers here....best to buy one of everything you can find!!

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You should pick the sidearm that fits you the best, is adequate for the job at hand AND THAT YOU WILL PRACTICE WITH AND CARRY EVERYDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tis better to have a .38 in the pocket than to have a .44 in the gun safe.

I have been carrying everyday for over 40 years. When I was young, I carried my duty gun, generally a .45 auto or a .44 or .45 revolver. Since I retired and no longer live in the area where I was a police officer, I pocket carry a 2" .38 special Colt Agent and a speed loader. If I walk outside, that little Colt is in my pocket. Nowadays, my biggest threat is rabid animals, but there are still two legged predators out there.
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I sometimes carry this Agent:



I have a pre shroud version as well, but it is nearly mint, and I shoot it, but don't usually carry it.

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That's a lot of iron to haul around. For most of us, the bigger and heavier the gun, the more likely to leave it at home.

Les has the correct approach - have one of everything on hand. If you can't swing that, I would suggest you take a look at an Airweight J-frame. I have never been able to pocket carry J-frames but I assure you an Airweight on your belt is almost forgotten, and at normal ranges, it will be plenty accurate. It won't be as easy to shoot well as the guns you mention, but it should suffice. If the Airweight guns don't appeal, look around for a Model 640.
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i know the 686 is an L frame. is the 586 L-comp an L frame as well? i dont mind the little bit of added weight in comparison to the J frame airweight. little heavier guns have always seemed to fit me better and i tend to shoot them better.
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i know the 686 is an L frame. is the 586 L-comp an L frame as well? i dont mind the little bit of added weight in comparison to the J frame airweight. little heavier guns have always seemed to fit me better and i tend to shoot them better.
Yes, it is also an L frame. The M686 is stainless and the M586 is carbon steel, either blue or nickel.
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i know the 686 is an L frame. is the 586 L-comp an L frame as well? i dont mind the little bit of added weight in comparison to the J frame airweight. little heavier guns have always seemed to fit me better and i tend to shoot them better.

The L-Comp is on the L frame and weighs 37.5 ounces......that's three times the weight of some of the J-frames that are available.
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i know the 686 is an L frame. is the 586 L-comp an L frame as well? i dont mind the little bit of added weight in comparison to the J frame airweight. little heavier guns have always seemed to fit me better and i tend to shoot them better.
In the same family of "L" frames, but not in current production, are the 581 & 681 versions with fixed sights, sometimes preferred for carry.

Another similar choice in a "K" frame that just started production is the 2.75" barrel Model 66.

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The L-Comp is on the L frame and weighs 37.5 ounces......that's three times the weight of some of the J-frames that are available.
The guns OP is considering will end up in the safe, not on his belt. They are too big and heavy unless he plays offensive tackle on an NFL team.

By way of comparison, my Colt Commander weighs 26 oz.

L frames are great on the range or on the nightstand.

Not so much on a belt.
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The new model 66 would be an excellent choice. I carry an older 2-1/2" M66 pretty regularly and it is all the weight and bulk I care to tote. Other times I carry a Colt Agent, which is a lot lighter but not as easy to shoot well. The L frames are too big and heavy for concealed carry regardless of barrel length.
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Too big and heavy, for some people and under some conditions.

I'm a sick old woman, and my EDC, a CZ PCR, with 14+1 loaded is not much lighter than the 3" 686+ I tote around occasionally. But by necessity, I'm not very active, so it's not a problem.

My husband is 6'-7" & 250#, and he has no problem at all carrying it.

You have to want to carry it, and have a good belt and holster.

I have lighter choices, but when bears are around the house, or for woods walks, the 686 is with me.
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Go with the 686. Stainless and rubber will hold up to the scuffs and bumps of everyday carry much better than blued steel and wood. The l-comp is too nice of a gun to put through that.



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The new model 66 would be an excellent choice. I carry an older 2-1/2" M66 pretty regularly and it is all the weight and bulk I care to tote. Other times I carry a Colt Agent, which is a lot lighter but not as easy to shoot well. The L frames are too big and heavy for concealed carry regardless of barrel length.
according to s&w website, the new model 66 combat (k frame) with 2.75" barrel weighs 33.5oz. the 686 plus (L frame) with 3" barrel weighs 36.8oz. So is 3.3oz that big of a difference or is it the size difference between the L & K frames?
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I love S&W revolvers, and own both a 620, and a 686-4. Both are 4" barrel, and are tied with my 1911 when it comes to shooting on the range. However even though the models the OP is considering are shorter barrel, I feel that both of those choices are much too heavy to CC every day. I bought my wife a Ruger LCRx in 38+P, and ended up liking it so much that it is my EDC. Small, light (13.5 oz) and powerful enough to be effective, I find that the size and weight of it make it the perfect gun for EDC. If you don't like Rugers look for an Airweight as others suggested, but in any case, buy something that won't be a chore to have on you at all times.

Besides, you can still buy either the 586 or 686 and keep them in your collection, because both are great guns! I just would I not carry them all the time.

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.....it doesn't sound like a J frame would be enough gun for you. Besides they are only five shots.

I unashamedly LOVE my 686 but I don't think I could carry it around constantly. The 66 is a super choice. 'K' frames were my first love. As much as I like the looks of steel and wood, SS is much more utilitarian if you are going to be carrying it around constantly.

I have an idea. Buy one of each and rotate them on a weekly basis. Seriously, you won't be sorry.
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.....it doesn't sound like a J frame would be enough gun for you. Besides they are only five shots.

I unashamedly LOVE my 686 but I don't think I could carry it around constantly. The 66 is a super choice. 'K' frames were my first love. As much as I like the looks of steel and wood, SS is much more utilitarian if you are going to be carrying it around constantly.

I have an idea. Buy one of each and rotate them on a weekly basis. Seriously, you won't be sorry.
I really wish i could just go buy both. Someday, i will own both. But is there really that big of a difference in size between the L & K frames. as i said a few replies back, the weight difference between the 2 models (66 & 686) really isnt all that much. ?
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Just picked up my first revolver a couple months ago. 629 .44 mag for hunting. Now im hooked on revolvers and would like to purchase one for everyday carry. Ive narrowed it down to 2 models. both 357mag with 3inch barrels. cant decide between the 686 plus (all stainless with rubber grip) or the 586 L-Comp (blued steel with wood grip and comped barrel). The 586 is a performance center model, and the actions on the PC's I really like. Anybody own either of these? Thoughts? Opinions? Experience?
IMHO, THE 686+ WITH A 3" BARREL IS THE PERFECT REVOLVER FOR EDC. THE DURABILITY AND RESISTANCE TO RUST OF THE STAINLESS GUNS GIVE THE 686 THE EDGE OVER A BLUED GUN, ESP FOR CARRY.....

ANY BLUED GUN WILL EVENTUALLY SHOW HOLSTER WEAR. A BLUED GUN MAY EVEN BEGIN TO RUST DUE TO BODY PERSPIRATION, IF CARRIED IN AN IWB HOLSTER, OR IN A VERY HUMID ENVIRONMENT. HANDLING MARKS, MINOR DINGS, AND SCRATCHES ARE INEVITABLE, ON A WORKING GUN. ALL OF THESE BLEMISHES CAN BE REMOVED, AND THE STAINLESS WEAPON CAN BE KEPT IN A SPARKLING, PRISTINE CONDITION, WITH MINIMAL POLISHING, USING A PRODUCT LIKE MOTHERS MAG WHEEL POLISH, AND AN OLD T-SHIRT.....

IMHO, THE PC GUNS ARE NOT MUCH BETTER THAN REGULAR PRODUCTION GUNS. THE COMPED BARRELS ARE MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING. THERE ARE MANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE QUALITY OF PC GUNS ON THIS FORUM. ALL OF THE 686s THAT I HAVE OWNED, OR SHOT, SEEMED TO HAVE VERY NICE TRIGGERS, RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX.......

YOU ARE NOT SADDLED WITH THOSE UGLY RUBBER GRIPS. A GRIP SWAP IS PROBABLY THE MOST POPULAR MODIFICATION THAT IS MADE TO REVOLVERS. S&W HAS FACTORY WOODEN GRIPS FOR SALE, THAT WILL TRANSFORM YOUR GUN INTO A THING OF BEAUTY. THERE IS A PLETHORA OF AFTERMARKET SOURCES FOR WOODEN GRIPS, IF NOTHING FROM S&W CATCHES YOUR EYE.......

BELOW ARE PICS OF MY 686+, WITH A 2/12" BARREL. THIS REVOLVER WORE FACTORY RB COMBAT GRIPS WHEN I PURCHASED IT. THEY DID NOT FIT MY HAND, SO I SWAPPED THEM OUT FOR THESE PC MAGNAS AND A TYLER T......
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Thanks for the input everybody. Now i have lots of decisions to make and and now ive added the model 66 to my options. I like the full lug one the 686+ tho. Is there a functional advantage to the full lug??? other than weight to possibly help reduce felt recoil.
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I have several revolvers in my EDC rotation. Different sizes for different moods, dress and situations.

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Criteria for an every-day carry gun are simple. Does it fit your hand well? Can you carry it concealed effectively and still access it quickly? Can you shoot it well? Is it adequately powerful to do the job? Answer all of those questions YES and you have your answer. A .32 in your hand when you need it is infinitely superior to the .45 at home in the safe.
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OR...room for 3 Js.
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And a salami sandwich weighs 8.2 ounces
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I would take the 686. Stainless holds up better than blued guns for carry and I wouldn't want a ported barrel if I had to shoot from a retention position.

Yeah it's heavy.... but with the right holster and belt it's easy.

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Well, I bet this thread gets to 100 replies!!!

Everyone has preferences and I certainly am no exception. For my purposes an L frame is far too large for everyday carry. A 3" anything is too big for EDC. And I strongly disapprove of the use of .357 Magnum for defensive purposes unless you are woods walking or hunting.

My first choice is a 2" K frame. Stoked with .38 Special using quality ammunition. Not even +P. Second choice varies depending on the situation. Like presently, because I threw my back out, I have resorted to pocket carrying a M642. As soon as I am better I am back to K frames.

This is very much a YMMV situation. I sometimes carry 9mm pistols. but my first choice is the VERY hard to find 2" K frame - but that lack of obtainability does make carrying one extremely difficult.

My next choice would be the new 2.5" Model 66. That would be a nice compromise, especially if you really must carry +P or Magnum rounds.

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If I were saddled with your first two choices, I'd go with the 686. The stainless steel finish will hold up better than blueing on a carry gun, plus it requires less maintenance to prevent rusting. I agree with bigwheelzip regarding porting; some say it's not a big deal, some say it is. I don't think it offers enough of an advantage to offset any potential issues, so I avoid ported guns for carry.

The 3oz difference you mentioned between K and L frames don't tell the whole story. The K-frame is slimmer in the frame and cylinder, and, to me, carries better, particularly if it's going to be carried concealed.

Plenty of people carry L-frames, though, and if that's what you want and you're willing to commit to it (carrying a L-frame is definitely going to require more commitment than a J-frame), you can make it work. The key with such a big gun is a good holster/belt combo. It'll make it easier to carry and will help keep it concealed. Personally, I like Beltman belts, but any of the good dress gun belts should work. A 1.5", double-layer belt, when used with a good holster, should help significantly. Some may even recommend a set of Perry suspenders for extra support.

You'll also have to dress around a gun that big. Changing out grips might make a difference. Rubber can cling to cover garments. Wood grips would probably be better for carry as they come in a variety of shapes and sizes to suit your hands, while also being less grabby on clothing.

Now, if I really wanted to carry a .357 Magnum revolver every day, I'd go with a 3" 65. I used to have one, and carried it often, sometimes up to 16 hours/day (again, good holster/belt combo counts for a lot). Though I kept it loaded with .38 Special loads (Buffalo Bore 158gr LSWCHP standard pressure, to be exact).

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All we are getting here (mostly) is what works or doesn't work for the opinionator. It sounds like you may not have compared a K Frame next to an L Frame in person. As in actually hefted them, discovered how the grip and weight feels, etc. If you are planning to spend this much cash and aren't a member of the gun of the week club, you might want to consider getting down to a store that has both on hand and see for your self.

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If I were saddled with your first two choices, I'd go with the 686. The stainless steel finish will hold up better than blueing on a carry gun, plus it requires less maintenance to prevent rusting. I agree with bigwheelzip regarding porting; some say it's not a big deal, some say it is. I don't think it offers enough of an advantage to offset any potential issues, so I avoid ported guns for carry.

The 3oz difference you mentioned between K and L frames don't tell the whole story. The K-frame is slimmer in the frame and cylinder, and, to me, carries better, particularly if it's going to be carried concealed.

Plenty of people carry L-frames, though, and if that's what you want and you're willing to commit to it (carrying a L-frame is definitely going to require more commitment than a J-frame), you can make it work. The key with such a big gun is a good holster/belt combo. It'll make it easier to carry and will help keep it concealed. Personally, I like Beltman belts, but any of the good dress gun belts should work. A 1.5", double-layer belt, when used with a good holster, should help significantly. Some may even recommend a set of Perry suspenders for extra support.

You'll also have to dress around a gun that big. Changing out grips might make a difference. Rubber can cling to cover garments. Wood grips would probably be better for carry as they come in a variety of shapes and sizes to suit your hands, while also being less grabby on clothing.

Now, if I really wanted to carry a .357 Magnum revolver every day, I'd go with a 3" 65. I used to have one, and carried it often, sometimes up to 16 hours/day (again, good holster/belt combo counts for a lot). Though I kept it loaded with .38 Special loads (Buffalo Bore 158gr LSWCHP standard pressure, to be exact).

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thanks for all that info. my next question was going to be about a good belt/holster for the L frame. As far as the grip goes, i read that the new model 66 and the 686+ actually have the same size grip. ? leaving the differences between the two in the frame and cylinder size. any truth to that??
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The K and L frame grips are indeed identical. The L frame is wider and taller. It also has the full underlug. In a short barrel, the extra weight of the lug probably won't help much with recoil. If you can handle the weight and bulk of the 686, go for it. I personally find the 66 to be at the outer limits for weight and bulk. I have autos that are lighter and more compact, but I don't trust them like I do the 66.
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My first choice is a 2" K frame. Stoked with .38 Special using quality ammunition. Not even +P. Second choice varies depending on the situation. Like presently, because I threw my back out, I have resorted to pocket carrying a M642. As soon as I am better I am back to K frames.
Another great choice. I love the 2" K Frames, carried one today myself. Better for IWB than any L Frame. I barely notice any difference in recoil between standard pressure and +p rounds.

Hope you get better soon so you can carry such a fine gun.
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Thanks for the input everybody. Now i have lots of decisions to make and and now ive added the model 66 to my options. I like the full lug one the 686+ tho. Is there a functional advantage to the full lug??? other than weight to possibly help reduce felt recoil.
The full lug does counter muzzle flip some, but it's just weight/mass. No other purpose.
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thanks for all that info. my next question was going to be about a good belt/holster for the L frame. As far as the grip goes, i read that the new model 66 and the 686+ actually have the same size grip. ? leaving the differences between the two in the frame and cylinder size. any truth to that??
I've only carried a L-frame in a duty holster on a duty belt as a security guard, so that probably won't help you much.

For concealed carry I prefer IWB, especially in a holster that carries the cylinder more-or-less in line with the belt. Some may say it's too much of the gun in the waistband, but I've found it be very stable and comfortable. Holsters similar to Milt Sparks' VM2 are a good choice as they spread out the weight and reduce the holster profile, but from what I've seen the VM2 itself rides a little high for my tastes. Their Summer Special II worked well for me when carrying my 3" 65 (it rides a little lower than the VM2); not sure how well it would work with a L-frame. However, I believe I've seen pictures of Clint Smith carrying a N-frame revolver in a SSII (or similar) holster. I'm sure a search of the forums will point you in the right direction as far as holster makers and belt makers go.

I don't have a lot of experience with OWB holsters. To me, they often feel like the gun is pulling away from my body, even with a good gun belt. But it's generally hard to go wrong with a good pancake-style holster.

As far as grip frames, yes, grips for the K-frame and L-frame are interchangeable. However, as someone mentioned, the L-frame is a bit taller and thicker in the rest of the frame. For me, the L-frame had just a little longer trigger reach than the K-frame, if I'm remembering correctly.
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As far as grip frames, yes, grips for the K-frame and L-frame are interchangeable. However, as someone mentioned, the L-frame is a bit taller and thicker in the rest of the frame. For me, the L-frame had just a little longer trigger reach than the K-frame, if I'm remembering correctly.
Trigger reach should be identical, if you have the same grips.

Like you I've also seen people carry N frames IWB, that's a bit much for me but it worked for concealment.
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While any handgun can be carried, some require more dedication and effort than others. For example, when I first started carrying, I found a way to comfortably wear a Glock 19 IWB. When I decided that I'd rather carry a SP101 2.25" .357 AIWB instead, I found that to be much easier and more comfortable. At the end of the day, I keep the Glock 19 in the bedroom dresser for home use, sold the 26 oz SP101 and replaced it with a M&P 340 that I can effortlessly carry AIWB or just carry in my pocket. Many times, I toss a 442 in another pocket in case I need to use it as a New York Reload.

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All we are getting here (mostly) is what works or doesn't work for the opinionator. It sounds like you may not have compared a K Frame next to an L Frame in person. As in actually hefted them, discovered how the grip and weight feels, etc. If you are planning to spend this much cash and aren't a member of the gun of the week club, you might want to consider getting down to a store that has both on hand and see for your self.

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thanks for the input. And you're right, i have not compared an L frame to K frame in person. but what im gathering is, that even though the actual weight in ounces between the new m66 amd the 686+ is minimal, the "perceived weight" and/or actual frame size difference is substantial when it comes to choosing one for EDC?. but as i stated before, heavier guns have always suited me better and i tend to shoot them better, so i will have to get my hands on both to see for myself.
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another question regarding the new m66 amd 686+, is the forcing cone....doin some reading, i read that there was maybe a forcing cone issue on the 66 when shooting lots of .357 mag. is that still an issue with new model 66?
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another question regarding the new m66 amd 686+, is the forcing cone....doin some reading, i read that there was maybe a forcing cone issue on the 66 when shooting lots of .357 mag. is that still an issue with new model 66?
No, the flat is gone on the new ones.
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To me "Concealed Carry" ..... means "carried a lot ....... shot a little"*

I own J,K,L and N frame revolvers in .357 magnum. I had and sold a 3" 586..... loved it but was IMHO too heavy and bulky for its intended purpose when I had other options available.

So what gets carried....... concealed?

90%+ of the time a 3" 66 (or 65) w/ Spegel Boot Grips; in a Sparks Summer Special IWB

8% of the time a 3" 60-10 w/ +P.38s .... It's my "Kit Gun" at the cabin.... think micro 686

2% a 2" 337PD a 12oz .38; when I can only wear shorts and a tucked in shirt...

The 3" 65 dates back to 1986/7...................



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so ive decided against the 586 for several reasons. still undecided between the 66 and 686. personal pros and cons to each. but one question about barrel length...the 66 is a 2.75" barrel and the 686+ is a 3" barrel. now I work commercial construction, and sometimes a 1/4" doesnt matter at all and sometimes a 1/4" will make or break you. will i notice any difference in ballistics in a 1/4"? i dont think there is any way i would, but correct me if im wrong.
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I can't imagine any scenario where that would make a difference.
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I have a pre shroud version as well, but it is nearly mint, and I shoot it, but don't usually carry it.

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Hey les, I had an Uncle by marriage to my Mother's oldest sister that had a country store he ran from 1920 till he died in 1970 something. I worked there in the Summer to escape the tobacco fields. He carried 2 Colt Agents with hammer shrouds every step he took.
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3" 65 or 4" 581.
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another question regarding the new m66 amd 686+, is the forcing cone....doin some reading, i read that there was maybe a forcing cone issue on the 66 when shooting lots of .357 mag. is that still an issue with new model 66?
It has been redesigned. The forcing cone no longer has a cut for the cylinder yoke, which was the weak spot. It also has a added crane locking point on the frame.
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Trigger reach should be identical, if you have the same grips.
You could very well be right. It's been several years since I've compared K and L frames, and it could've been the difference in grips.
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I'm working on this. 3" 65. Might be good edc. My other one is.
Don't own an L frame but lust after a 581. I carry the 65 though.
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Hey les, I had an Uncle by marriage to my Mother's oldest sister that had a country store he ran from 1920 till he died in 1970 something. I worked there in the Summer to escape the tobacco fields. He carried 2 Colt Agents with hammer shrouds every step he took.
In his life time he killed 4 men and shot a woman's fingers off in his cash register. The last killed was in late 60s, I was there.
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Now that had to be quite an education for a young man working his summer vacations!! I had a Detective Special drilled and tapped for the shroud, but someone had removed it and put filler screws in the holes. I always intended to put one on, would only have taken a few minutes, but traded it off before I got around to it. I have seen a couple of Agents with the shroud at gun shows, and they sell for quite a bit more than just the gun. Must have been pretty rare.

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After 25 years of being a law enforcement officer I have never had a EDC gun I enjoy carrying more than my 360PD. I know at 11 ounces it is not fun to shoot with 357 ammo but take it from someone who has been there if you ever have to use it recoil will be the last thing you worry about. Also with 38 ammo for range time it is not a problem at all to shoot. Ultimately the best EDC gun you can have is one you will carry and are proficient with. I have seen many people over the years buy a gun only to find it is heavy or bulky so they don't carry it. Get one you'll carry and practice with it.
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