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Does anyone know about this gun or have one?

A LGS has one for sale.

It's essentially a 22 mag stainless steel kit gun.

What should one of these cost in very good condition?

It's a fixed sight gun.

If you have one, does it shoot to point of aim?
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Old 05-19-2017, 02:37 PM
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Great little gun! I will make you deaf quickly, if you shoot it without proper hearing protection. I'd guess $500, more depending on where you live.
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That little J frame commands a pretty hefty price these days. I was fortunate enough, several years ago, to find one with the extra 22LR cylinder and original box for a very good price by today's prices. I have seen them sell on GB from $800 and up, if you can even find one. What's the asking price? Good luck and keep us posted.
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Can't answer specific questions about the 650. About a year ago I bought a lightly used 651 no dash 4 inch barrel with a extra 22LR cylinder. I probably won't use it for anything but mags however since I have other 22 LR guns to shoot. I got it after I bought a 351C which made me appreciate the 22 mag cartridge. I like both guns very much. I looked up the 650 in the standard catalog and I think that is quite an attractive little gun. I would guess a fair price in Northern Cali in the $800 to $1000 range. If it's much less I would recommend you rush back and buy it.
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I have owned a S&W 650 for around twenty years. Hearing protection and patience are a MUST. Mine was extremely picky with ammo, preferring the Remington 33 grain load above all others. That stuff was $13.00 a box before rimfire ammo became scarce and costly. I also shoot .22 WRF ammo out of it. The WRF gives plinking accuracy from the 650.

As for value...I would think $1,000.00 give or take $100.00, a few hundred extra for a boxed gun with the .22 LR cylinder.

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The sights are putrid, a tiny little ramp and a glaring groove. It is hideously filthy to shoot.
Th 651 4" was a much better concept.
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I always thought so too, but never considered the words "putrid" and "filthy" in that application.
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:45 PM
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Loud and inaccurate was my experience with a 650. Sold it and never looked back.
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I am prone to hyperbole
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Hyperbole, eh?

Sorry for the drift, OP. I agree with Colby Bruce. Those are pricey little guns these days. They seem to command quite a figure when they show up on the www auction sites. I am not sure what they are good for. (I know, you didn't ask about that.) Jeff Cooper used to joke that the magnum kit-gun was "mostly useful for signalling," or something like that.
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I had one back in '86 and another 10 years ago. The concept is captivating, but the reality is so disappointing.
I am a slow learner because I also had two 351PDs. The four guns were devastatingly inaccurate.
Never again.
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They have good value as they are scarce, but not too enjoyable for actually shooting. Unless you need the 22 Magnum for a specific purpose, and actually like to hit what you are shooting at you would probably be much more satisfied with a Model 63 (22 LR).
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Or... as was mentioned, a Model 651. My 651 shoots rings around my 63, but it costs a lot more to feed it.

Both of them need black, Patridge front blades, instead of the "filthy" red ramps.
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Besides the 650, I also have a 63 and a 317, as well as a Charter Arms Off Duty. I have owned several 34's and Pathfinders. They all seem to like standard velocity ammo best.
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They were only made for two or three years and were the only service grade kit guns offered by S&W. I was lured by the round butt, fixed sights and 3" barrel. It made the perfect tackle box revolver with it's stainless steel construction and available 22LR auxillary cylinder, which I also have. With standard 22WMR loadings, it is brutal on the ears and is only suitable for range use with hearing protection. However the use of the magnum cylinder with either Winchester Dynapoints or Winchester WRF loadings makes it bearable for occasional field use. It's beauty comes into play with the LR cylinder which adds soo much to it's versitility. Living on a lake for 24 years, it was my constant companion mostly in my tackle box. I loaded two chambers with shotshells and four with 40gr SVs It was the perfect snake medicine for me. I will never sell it.
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They were only made for two or three years and were the only service grade kit guns offered by S&W. I was lured by the round butt, fixed sights and 3" barrel. It made the perfect tackle box revolver with it's stainless steel construction and available 22LR auxillary cylinder, which I also have. With standard 22WMR loadings, it is brutal on the ears and is only suitable for range use with hearing protection. However the use of the magnum cylinder with either Winchester Dynapoints or Winchester WRF loadings makes it bearable for occasional field use. It's beauty comes into play with the LR cylinder which adds soo much to it's versitility. Living on a lake for 24 years, it was my constant companion mostly in my tackle box. I loaded two chambers with shotshells and four with 40gr SVs It was the perfect snake medicine for me. I will never sell it.
I guess it worked out for you, maybe that was their niche. I wanted so much to like them........
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I have lusted after a 650 for a good while, but I do see the limited practical use. My 8-shot 63-5 in .22lr is more versatile, and for .22 WMR I have a Rossi 515 which I like a lot.

The Rossi 515 is similar to the S&W 651, a stainless 6-shot 4" with adjustable sights, but the Rossi has this wonderful fat barrel rib and excellent sights which make it a joy to shoot. They were only imported for one year so the Rossi may be rarer than the S&W.
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In the last 10 years I have only heard about one 650 for sale in my local area. Saw it listed at a LGS that I frequent and headed out to look at it. By the time I got there it was gone. Guys told me I was the fourth guy to ask. First guy bought it. It was supposedly ANIB. The guy that bought it gave 1k. I don't think I would have gone that much! They are very collectible among S&W guys and rarely come up for sale here in gun-unfriendly MA. My grail kit gun would be the 651 4". Never have seen one. I finally bought a new Charter Arms target pathfinder 22 mag with adj. sights and 4.2 bbl. Not a Smith but not too bad either. Shoots pretty good and for $400, cost less than half of what used 651 would go for. But I'll keep looking.
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I was very fortunate to order my Model 650 with both cylinders from my local Smith&Wesson stocking dealer when they were first introduced. The last dual cylinder Model 650 one I saw around here sold for $1295, and that was many years ago. If the price is within your means I would buy it and not worry about the cost as they are great field guns, and are never going to be made again.
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Well I went ahead and bought it.

Price $750.

The bad news:

No box:

No 22lr cylinder.

It came with a set of Uncle Mike's combat grips (the ones with 3 finger grooves). No original grips.

Good news:

I had the sales guy check to be sure the cylinder in the gun would chamber 22 mag. It does.

I have a pair of J frame round butt Magna wood grips and I'll probably put those on. But those Uncle Mike's are nice grips.

It's a no dash version.
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Congrats, if you shoot .22 WRF through it be sure to take a bore brush to scrub the crud from the shorter cartridges, out of the chambers.
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I think that's a pretty good deal.
I have the original wood grips for my 651 but want to preserve them so I replaced them with a pair of Pachmayr J frame Grippers I have.
Let us know how it shoots and what you think of the 22 mag cartridge. As I mentioned in my post #4 above, I bought a 351C and decided that I liked the 22mag cartridge. I'm not saying it is the ultimate man stopper but I think it is much more potent than a 22 LR.
BTW don't feel too bad about not getting a 22LR cylinder. Most didn't come with it.
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These are very effective rounds, according to a friend who retired and moved to the Florida panhandle two years ago. he has shot all sorts of things with his S&W 48.
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Well I went ahead and bought it.

Price $750.

The bad news:

No box:

No 22lr cylinder.

It came with a set of Uncle Mike's combat grips (the ones with 3 finger grooves). No original grips.

Good news:

I had the sales guy check to be sure the cylinder in the gun would chamber 22 mag. It does.

I have a pair of J frame round butt Magna wood grips and I'll probably put those on. But those Uncle Mike's are nice grips.

It's a no dash version.
I can tell you with certainty the auxiliary LR cylinder for the 650/651 has the same part# as the Model 63. My 650 was delivered without the extra cylinder and I sent it to S&W for factory fitting. I would search for that part and find a competent revolver smith to fit it to your frame. Later, I will post the part# for you and some photos as well. Congrats to you!
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These are very effective rounds, according to a friend who retired and moved to the Florida panhandle two years ago. he has shot all sorts of things with his S&W 48.
I don't think I'll be using it for defense as I have other more effective guns.

But yesterday evening, I did locate a couple boxes of 22 wmr Speer Gold Dots figuring they would be good to have in my ammo cabinet.

Perhaps Critical Defense is better?

I'll probably buy one box each of target/general 22 mag ammo at local stores and see which the gun likes best at the range -- and then stock up on that.

In CA we have until the end of the year to mail order ammo, and then after that there are background checks for each ammo purchase and no more mail order.

So stocking up is in order -- particularly for the more exotic kinds that LGS don't stock.

Bummer of a legal system we have here.
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