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Old 05-19-2017, 08:30 PM
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Have not been able to find much info. 624 no dash 3 inch barrel.
Serial alw84xx. Are the pachs original. What wood would be appropriate. Approx age and value. Picked up today in a pawn shop for 400. Couldn't leave it. Any and all info greatly appreciated.
Called Horton, right number range but not one of theirs. Any other ideas about what it is?

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Sweet deal!
You need a set of these.
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You stole it. They came with combats.
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That was an incredible deal, congratulations. Even with what a set of combats goes for these days you'll still come out way ahead.
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Got another one like that...even at $50 more?I'll take it!
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... 624 no dash 3 inch barrel. Serial alw84xx....
The distributor Lew Horton had 7,000 made on a special order. Yours would of shipped in......
July or August of 1985.
It would of had wood finger groove grips, as others have shown. S&W called these grips "Combat Stocks". Any grip made to fit a round-butt N-frame would fit.

Lew Horton is still around as a company. If you call them they will authenticate your gun, then send you a nice letter on their fancy letterhead documenting it with some interesting facts. It's a nice thing to have, and they provide it for free.

The product code was 103580, a number unique to that specific model and variation.....
http://smith-wessonforum.com/search....archid=9992827
These 103580's normally trade hands in the $650 to $900 range, though I've seen them go for more and less. You got an excellent deal
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Chuck24: You got that gun for roughly what we paid for them in 1985! Or a tad less!
I forget what the holsters went for. It was either $25 or $50. Glad I got both when I did.

I was under the impression, however flawed, that there were 5000 of these (and not all of them shipped from Lew Horton).
In addition 1 or 2 thousand were offered with a spiffy (Gould & Goodrich?) holster as there were no 3" N frame holsters common at the time.
The 3" 624 may be the first or close to the first round butt N frame as well.
Some modern off the shelf grips may not fit exactly. I had Craig Spegel custom fit mine to the frame.
The other 624's are square butt.
The Dillon catalog of a few months ago had a centerfold article on the 44 special that had some info near the end about these numbers.
I can never remember them all.
Here's what my 3" LH 624 looks like in it's BLW holster and Spegel grips (sorry the original combats are NFS):
The belt is a Galco 1.75" I wear every day whether or not I am carrying.
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Yes, you got a great deal.

The Model 24-3, the equivalent blue steel version of this gun, was the first factory 3 inch, round butt N frame. It was made in 1983/1984, while the 624 3 inchers came along in 1985/1988.

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Have not been able to find much info. 624 no dash 3 inch barrel.
Serial alw84xx. Are the pachs original. What wood would be appropriate. Approx age and value. Picked up today in a pawn shop for 400. Couldn't leave it. Any and all info greatly appreciated.
I wouldn't have left it there either. I probably couldn't have gotten my wallet out fast enough.

Enjoy that one.

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Not to be a "Debbie Downer" here but you are going to pay almost as much for some original grips as you did for the gun.
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You 'may' have a good deal there .

Somewhere here on the Forum is a copy of the original Lew Horton ad for the 624 3". The photo in post 2 and my bad memory seem to recall these had a K frame sized RB grip frame, important to know before shopping and easy to check if you have any K RB stocks to try on it (or if the ones that came with the gun are that style and fit well).
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You 'may' have a good deal there .

Somewhere here on the Forum is a copy of the original Lew Horton ad for the 624 3". The photo in post 2 and my bad memory seem to recall these had a K frame sized RB grip frame, important to know before shopping and easy to check if you have any K RB stocks to try on it (or if the ones that came with the gun are that style and fit well).
According to the literature of the day, both the 24-3 and the 624 Lew Horton guns were made with the K frame size grip frame, but I find that N frame stocks fit best.






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You 'may' have a good deal there .

Somewhere here on the Forum is a copy of the original Lew Horton ad for the 624 3". The photo in post 2 and my bad memory seem to recall these had a K frame sized RB grip frame, important to know before shopping and easy to check if you have any K RB stocks to try on it (or if the ones that came with the gun are that style and fit well).
Not K.......N....That was a mistake in one of Skeeter's stories
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Great deal, and gun you came up with!!! Why couldn't that happen to me? Bob
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Both the 24-3 and the 624 Lew Horton guns were made with the K frame size grip frame, but I find that N frame stocks fit best.





Wow! $382 for "the package. In a few more years, people will be wanting that much for just the Combats.

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Thanks all for all the replies and info. Monday will contact LH to be sure. Now to find those stocks.
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Yep, call or email Lew Horton.

You got a great deal. If you can't find original combats, you can hit up Culina for ones that are likely better than the originals and match well.

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Mine wears Culinas, too.
Agree they fit and feel better than the factory versions.
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Why would it make any difference if Lew Horton was the distributor on a particular gun?
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Why would it make any difference if Lew Horton was the distributor on a particular gun?
Only if you run into someone collecting Lew Hortons willing to pay a premium.
The increased number of specialist distributors has kind of diluted that market IMHO at least collectability-wise.
It's true the smaller batch guns are generally better made than most but it's the size of that batch that makes for the value not the guy who ordered them.
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Given the grips go for $250-$350, you got the gun for $50-$100.
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Only if you run into someone collecting Lew Hortons willing to pay a premium.
The increased number of specialist distributors has kind of diluted that market IMHO at least collectability-wise.
It's true the smaller batch guns are generally better made than most but it's the size of that batch that makes for the value not the guy who ordered them.
I still do not understand how a gun that is sold through a given dealer would be worth even a penny more than the exact same gun that was sold through a different dealer.
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PS Here is my "Lew Horton" Model 24-3. I have the holster for it too, but I can't find a picture of it.
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Have not been able to find much info. 624 no dash 3 inch barrel.
Serial alw84xx. Are the pachs original. What wood would be appropriate. Approx age and value. Picked up today in a pawn shop for 400. Couldn't leave it. Any and all info greatly appreciated.

Nice score chuck, I thought I did well today on my 625-3 w/combats for $675, but you take the cake..... congrats!!!!
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PS Here is my "Lew Horton" Model 24-3. I have the holster for it too, but I can't find a picture of it.
Does it look like this BFW I got with a LH blue 3" gun (but sold the gun)?
Nice service type holster but less useful than the high ride pancake which is one of my favorite holsters of all time.
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Thanks all for all the replies and info. Monday will contact LH to be sure. Now to find those stocks.
Before you plunk down some cash for the combat stocks, I suggest you handle a gun with them. Assuming you want to shoot it, you may not like the stocks very well. I have a 24 and 29 with 3" barrel and round butts and the combats don't fit me well. I've never swapped them out, though, knowing I'd loose track of the originals.
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Given the grips go for $250-$350, you got the gun for $50-$100.
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Unfortunately, didn't get the grips, it had pachs on it. The search for the grips is on.
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BOTH you guys did great. Wonderful guns at wonderful prices!
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Unfortunately, didn't get the grips, it had pachs on it. The search for the grips is on.
IMHO unless those original grips are perfect for you (and how are you going to know that?) they are not worth the $$$ folks get for them.
For practice at the range the Signature Pach's work well and for carry some kind of custom semi or full boot grip would be best as it for sure is going to fit your hands.
Failing those options, Altamont, Ahrends, Herretts, Spegel, and several other grip makers including a couple of our forum members will make you a nice set that will fit.
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I still do not understand how a gun that is sold through a given dealer would be worth even a penny more than the exact same gun that was sold through a different dealer.
In general I agree. The one advantage with Lew Horton is the free "factory" provenance letter. Something S&W charges $75 for. So right there is a $75 value, if you care about such things. Some don't, but many find such items worthwhile.

For example, I was in a thread a few weeks ago with a newbie that was determined to letter a standard production S&W revolver that was less than two months old. I tried to persuade him otherwise, but he was convinced a factory letter would uncover some fascinating detail that years from now would add value for his future heirs... or something. A total waste of money IMO.
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Nice score chuck, I thought I did well today on my 625-3 w/combats for $675, but you take the cake..... congrats!!!!
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Grips on a gun that kicks very hard matter as much as boots you will wear 10 hours a day on a concrete floor.
They have to fit the appendage or they will hurt you, either immediately or shortly thereafter.

I got really excited when S&W started selling their finger groove combat grips made with nice wood. They are beautiful. Then I shot some of them with Magnum ammo. They WHACK the first joint below the finger on my hands HARD.

I ended up just using the un-finger grooved presentation stocks, with no checkering to grind the skin off of the palms of my hands. I hang onto the finger grooved S&W stocks because S&W doesn't make them any more.

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