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The 12 Revolvers
As many of you know, in 1990 a set of revolvers was produced, one a month, by subscription. I have read that it was capped at 500 sets but less then that were actually sent out. What is your opinion of this as a collectable set. I think it is a unique set to have one of 500 but I also already have some of the revolvers in the set. I see a lot of loose ones floating around on the auctions sites. Are these collectables that will increase in value? What are your thoughts.....stuck trying to decide......
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The "target audience" would seem to be very small. I recall seeing an auction for a complete set of 12 a few years ago and interest was about nill and it garnered no premium as compared the sum of individual non-collector- series revolvers.
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The "target audience" would seem to be very small. I recall seeing an auction for a complete set of 12 a few years ago and interest was about nill and it garnered no premium as compared the sum of individual non-collector- series revolvers.
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I agree with g8rb8.
Now, having said this, what advice I have for you is this, if it is of interest to you, and you would enjoy having one of those sets, go for it, but do NOT purchase a set based on any thought of it being an "investment" (as for me, this is how I purchase all of my firearms, as I can not afford the TRUE investments).
Just my opinion on this, but hope it helps................
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They are Smith & Wesson and will go up at least for that reason.
It is possible as we get more collectors that those twelve may get more
important.
What are the 12?
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With the reduction of interest in revolvers, the odds of finding a buyer for a full set is very very low, and I doubt if sold individually you would ever recover the cost of the initial price. A fair price of an existing set might be 75% of the current cumulative value of the individual pieces.
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The 12 guns: model 66 357 "Critical Moment", model 14 38spl "Last Stand", model 29 44 mag "the Attack", 629 44 magnum "Mountain Lion", model 29 44 mag "Hostiles", model 27 357 "Outnumbered", model 19 357 mag "Hands Off", Model 25 45 colt" Horse Thief", Model 57 41 magnum "Last Cartridge", model 686 357 "with the wolfhounds", model 17 22lr" the Revolver", model 24 44 spl. "through the line" You can pick up a whole set for around $10,000. Not a bad price, but I'm not into special edition stuff.
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As a VERY new revolver ADDICT all this helps, I guess my thought was that I would purchase or have on my list to purchase all but maybe one of those guns. That being said, I am hearing that there is no real value as a set but more as just them being individual SW revolvers. I know that the 4th edition mentioned that Rock Island sold a set but as individual guns and it garnered $21,000. Wonder if the same person bought them all.
Another point is I have a 66 no dash and I would assume that in 1990 the 66 in the set has a dash?
Thanks for the input.
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Do you have pictures of the series? I guess I could look myself...
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This is the only one I have. Wouldn't try to get the other 11 at this juncture. Joe
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Who produced- sold this series?
Was it Factory or after Market?
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LMAO!!!! that is my other problem, wanting to fire everything I buy when some are NIB........uggghhhh
Yes I was doing the same math....
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Factory, Ellett Bros out of SC, I believe. Joe
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The "target audience" would seem to be very small. I recall seeing an auction for a complete set of 12 a few years ago and interest was about nill and it garnered no premium as compared the sum of individual non-collector- series revolvers.
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I too have had a number of the individual guns over the years but have let them all go.
Execution of the "enhancements" was indifferent at best, and the entire set was more of a contrived grouping than a real collection.
Personally, I would rather have a solid unadorned example of any of these pistols than one of these instant collectibles.
Interest and lack of appreciation for these over the years has definitely been for good reason.
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I too have had a number of the individual guns over the years but have let them all go.
Execution of the "enhancements" was indifferent at best, and the entire set was more of a contrived grouping than a real collection.
Personally, I would rather have a solid unadorned example of any of these pistols than one of these instant collectibles.
Interest and lack of appreciation for these over the years has definitely been for good reason.
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I noticed too the up close pics of these were much less impressive than individual work I have seen come out of a quality shop...
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There's something about laser engraving that reminds me of pressed wood checkering.
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Factory, Ellett Bros out of SC, I believe. Joe
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Thanks!
After Market don't interest me,
Unless it's high end engraving!
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Of all the sets I've seen pictures of, I've not seen the book included. I wonder why that is?
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Nobody actually thinks of these as collectibles. I bought the "Hostiles" for a lot less than a comparable 29-5 would have cost. The guy even had the nerve to shake me down for an extra $5 for the rug he had it in. Box and any accoutrements were long gone. Joe
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Most are interesting guns, if you are looking at the specs only. Otherwise, the laser etching is hideous and overdone.... IMO
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I have the "Outnumbered" 27-5 myself. I didn't buy it for a collectible, but rather as a very reasonably priced shooter. I got it unfired off GB for $700 plus shipping with box and tools. It also has a recessed cylinder, which I find to be much more aesthetically pleasing than the non-recessed cylinder with that big ugly gap between cylinder and recoil shield. It shoots like a dream and I also love the gold bead patridge sight on it and I've actually bought 2 of them for my 629-3 Classic and my 627 Pro which have the quick change sight system.
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I guess they did this before concealed carry really took off, not one snubby, J-frame or kit gun in the group. I cannot think of many people who would be interested in picking up a dozen new full size revolvers.
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Desirable guns all - at the right price, but I don't think many folks will buy the "set". When was the last time that you bought 12 revolvers in a transaction. If there were a market, why would it have stopped after 1990?
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Word is maybe 200 complete sets of 12 were produced.. A seller broke
up a set and sold them individually on Auction Arms last year l think
They were all unfired... The Wood grips impressed me the most...
Memory says all went for between $700-$800... l don't remember any
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exactly - not as crisp lines, a little bit "off" is the best way to describe it... and laser engraving in 1990 is not what it is now either..
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LMAO!!!! that is my other problem, wanting to fire everything I buy when some are NIB........uggghhhh
Yes I was doing the same math....
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Precisely why I don't want collectible guns.
Gimme a shooter grade.
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The S&W 12 'Set', was made by S&W, sold to Only to, Ellett Bros out of SC. (who distributed them) At that time, E.B. Only sold to B&M Stores, Not, 'kitchen table dealers'. Their were 500 of each made. I Bought a, 'set' one by one. (I had a Brick & Mortar store then, and they came direct from E.B.) They came, sometimes, 3 a month, and sometimes several months. It took 1.5 years to get a, 'set'.
They sat in the safe, (Well at first a cabinet), Never fired. Paid 4,000.00 for the set.
The, 'sets' were, 'sets', sold to the same dealers, up to, about 240-260, (out of the 500) Then E.B. started listing them individually. (As I am sure they were committed to 500 x 12 guns)
How many Dealers, got, 'Sets', then broke them up, to sell individually, Don't know, but perhaps, their are only 150 - 175, 'sets', (All the same number) left. Lots of the 12's put together, but all the same number of 500 ????
( I would be highly suspicious of a, 'set', that all had a number higher than 250, of 500)
I sold mine as a 'set', but had the MOST, requests for the, 'Revolver', the ONLY, .22 17, Nickel Plated 8.3/8" S&W made. and the next was the , 'Mountain Lion'.
But I kept it as a UN-fired 'set', then sold it, about 12 years ago, for 7,000.00
Regrets ? Well 3, (maybe 4), of them.
Today, 10,000.00 for a, 'set' all the same number. Un-fired.
For guns to look at, and not fire. Probably not.
I have 3, of the same models, probably have less than 2 into them, and I shoot them.
It was like the, 'Set', Colt & Win made.
A Peacemaker & a 94, in .44-40.
Listed at, $4,440.00, First Dealer cost was 2,220.00. I bought 3 NIB sets, at 1,200.00, (cause no one bought them), sold ONE, as a 'set', the other two I broke up.
Now, the 44-40 Peacemakers, those I regret.
(Not the Win 94's)
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Mnspring......................thanks for your very informative post, as seen from a dealer perceptive as well. The set I was looking at was 252 of 500 and as you can see from the picture I posted, all the boxes had 252 written on them, but who knows until you actually get them.
Based on my gut feelings, that validated by input here, I have moved on and decided it would be better to adopt individual family members instead of 12 kids all at once.
I still have empty beds for a 25, a 57, a 581, a 640, a 657 and a 686 plus so back to the adoption agency (SW Forum)
I think the most surprising comment for me was the idea that the popularity of collecting revolvers was on the decrease. I am really new into it and can't seem to find the ones I want.......
So many guns.......so little money and time.......
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The idea of a set of iconic models is appealing, but the execution not so great.....at least from my perspective because it does not account for different barrel lengths that often add to the iconic status of the model. The model 66 should have been the snubbie version. I have a 66-2, 29-2, 24-3, 25-5, 57-1 27-2, 19-5 and 586-5 instead of a 686, and am missing some sort of .22 model and my .38 special is a model 10-5. I never was a fan of the 686 but may have to add one along with a 14 or 15 just for grins......why else would we do this if it did not bring a smile to our faces.....
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I acquired a set of these today. All unfired and in their respective boxes with paperwork. They are #351. I would be looking to sell if someone can point me in the right direction.
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I would almost say that a set of these would be worth having if you can find them at a decent price. It is a collectors set, which seems to drop value early on, but as time continues, I am sure the price would rise because of the low number made. Look at guns that are currently sought after. Low production offerings that were made years ago. My $.02
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Those might be nice to have as a set for posterity and your grandchildren's inheritance. I would speculate that if you had all 12 ANIB they would be worth quite alot of money in another 20-30 years. (Maybe) That said, I would concentrate on buying individual revolvers that YOU really like and want. Parking $10K in a NIB set and leaving it for 30 years is not the best investment. More money can be had investing other ways. More fun can be had hunting that unicorn gun you really want.
Edit: I see this thread was actually started in mid 2017. So I am pretty sure the op is not still looking for advice on these...
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I wouldn't personally be interested in the whole set, but there are a few of the 44 Mag guns in the set I wouldn't mind owning. But, I also would not pay a crazy high price either, like a few I had seen on GB not too long ago either.
As to the Outnumbered guns like I own, I've seen 2 sell recently on GB. They had one a month or 2 ago that didn't have the laser engraving on the side (they sold some that way on sets that didn't get put together) that sold for $800 and another just like it that sold a few days ago for $861. But, neither of these unmarked guns had the gold bead front sight like my engraved version came with; just a regular patridge front sight.
This is how mine is presently dressed out with:
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The 12 guns: model 66 357 "Critical Moment", model 14 38spl "Last Stand", model 29 44 mag "the Attack", 629 44 magnum "Mountain Lion", model 29 44 mag "Hostiles", model 27 357 "Outnumbered", model 19 357 mag "Hands Off", Model 25 45 colt" Horse Thief", Model 57 41 magnum "Last Cartridge", model 686 357 "with the wolfhounds", model 17 22lr" the Revolver", model 24 44 spl. "through the line" You can pick up a whole set for around $10,000. Not a bad price, but I'm not into special edition stuff.
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THANKS FOR THIS INFO, apollo99. I'M NOT INTO SPECIAL EDITIONS EITHER. I BUY GUNS GUNS WITH THE INTENTION OF SHOOTING THEM.......
I WOULD VENTURE THAT COLLECTOR INTEREST IN THIS SET WAS NOT GREAT, WHEN THEY WERE ISSUED. I WOULD BE HESITANT TO BUY THIS SET, AS A COLLECTOR, WITH THE EXPECTATION OF A STEADY APPRECIATION IN VALUE, AND A POOL OF WILLING BUYERS......
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I have one of the twelve. The model 17 .22. Have kept it for years and never fired it since it is unique being a nickle model 17 with TH, TS, TT, TG. Will be selling it in the near future, and trying to determine the correct price if sold locally.
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I would have jumped on way back then........BUT......All the barrels were too long.
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The 12 guns: model 66 357 "Critical Moment", model 14 38spl "Last Stand", model 29 44 mag "the Attack", 629 44 magnum "Mountain Lion", model 29 44 mag "Hostiles", model 27 357 "Outnumbered", model 19 357 mag "Hands Off", Model 25 45 colt" Horse Thief", Model 57 41 magnum "Last Cartridge", model 686 357 "with the wolfhounds", model 17 22lr" the Revolver", model 24 44 spl. "through the line" You can pick up a whole set for around $10,000. Not a bad price, but I'm not into special edition stuff.
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Solid post and informative. If I had an extra 10K I was itching to let go of I'd buy that set as a lot of them are chambered in .44Mag and at 1 .44Special. I'd love to see pics of a minty "Complete Set" for sure!
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I would have jumped on way back then........BUT......All the barrels were too long.
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Ahhhhhh, yeah I'm a 2.5 to 5" max barrel length guy myself with a 2.75 to 3" barrels being my absolute favorite/most usable length of barrel!
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Pics please! Come on, you can't tease us with a post like that an NOT post pics brother!!!
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Pics please! Come on, you can't tease us with a post like that an NOT post pics brother!!!
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Haha - they are all boxed up and put away safely. They look exactly like this though. I have little interest in these and definitely want to sell. Did some trade-out work on a hot rod for a guy. He inherited them after his father passed a few years ago (original owner). Someone buy them.
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10-21-2018, 02:46 PM
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Here’s a couple pics.
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01-08-2019, 08:46 PM
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I am interested in the S&W 12 revolver set if it is still available. Contact me at [email protected]. Thanks and Happy NEWYEAR !!!
Mark
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06-24-2019, 07:48 PM
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Nobody actually thinks of these as collectibles. I bought the "Hostiles" for a lot less than a comparable 29-5 would have cost. The guy even had the nerve to shake me down for an extra $5 for the rug he had it in. Box and any accoutrements were long gone. Joe
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How much then? I sold for one of the 12 Revolvers for $1000
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