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Old 07-24-2017, 04:59 PM
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Did the Single-Stack Nine Kill the Carry Revolver?
by Kevin Creighton - Friday, March 24, 2017


Once upon a time, police officers who patrolled our streets carried revolvers on their hips. Guns like the Colt Police Positive and the Smith & Wesson Model 19 were their primary defensive firearm, and they carried .38 Spl. snub-nosed carry revolvers like the Detective Special and J-Frames for backup guns and when they were off duty.

They carried those small revolvers because they were small, easy to conceal and had a manual of arms that was more or less the same as the guns they carried for a living. The snub-nosed carry revolver also had the advantage of using essentially the same type of ammunition as their service revolvers, so the transition from full-sized service revolver to compact concealed-carry gun meant dealing with more recoil and less accuracy from the smaller gun, and that was about it.
Today, though, police officers are far more likely to carry a Glock or a SIG Sauer or a Smith & Wesson M&P semiautomatic pistol than they are a .38 Spl. or .357 Mag. revolver, and guns like the Smith & Wesson Shield, Ruger LC9s and the Glock G43 are reflecting that new reality. Smaller, lighter and easier to conceal than their full-sized cousins, small single-stack 9 mms are becoming a popular option for people who want to carry a pistol with them, but find that carrying a larger gun like a Glock G19 or SIG P320 is just too much to deal with on a day in, day out basis. I myself prefer carry a larger pistol whenever I can, but there are some times when the occasion demands more discretion than firepower, and thatís where the thinness and light weight of a single-stack 9 mm really comes through.
A miniature 9 mm also offers you the advantages of the same manual of arms your larger gun. If youíre used to a striker-fired gun, the operation of the Ruger LC9s or Glock G43 will seem like second nature to you, just like the operation of snub-nosed revolvers mimic the operation of their larger cousins. My fingers goes naturally to the magazine release on my 9 mm Smith & Wesson Shield because that's where it is on the large semi-automatic pistols that I occasionally carry, and the methods I use to clear malfunctions are pretty much the same between those guns as well.
The reasons to carry a subcompact, single-stack 9 mm over a larger pistol are also essentially the same as reasons to carry a small revolver instead of full-sized gun. With the right holster and appropriate cover garment, it's fairly easy to discretely carry a full-size 9 mm on a daily basis and without tipping people off that you're carrying a pistol with you. However, it's even easier to conceal a smaller gun, and a smaller gun also opens other options like pocket carry that are even more discreet.
When it comes to defensive applications, the subcompact single stack 9 mm has several advantages over snub-nosed revolvers. The thinner, slimmer design of the semi-automatic means it can slide into locations for concealed carry that aren't available to thicker, bulkier revolvers, although, counter-intuitively, I've found that unless you pay attention to holster choice, a small .38 Spl. revolver forms an indistinct lump in a front pocket that's easily mistaken for a wallet and keys, while the flatter, more angular form of a mini 9 mm sticks out and says "gun" more readily.
Another advantage of a mini 9 mm over small revolver is ammunition capacity. Subcompact single stacks typically have at least six rounds of ammunition in the magazine and one more in the chamber, and extended magazine that pack in eight rounds or more are not uncommon, By comparison, six rounds is maximum amount of ammo in most pocket revolvers, with five rounds being the most-common option available.
Firing a full-power cartridge from a pint-sized frame, sub-compact 9 mm pistols can be a handful to shoot, just like their smaller, lighter weight revolver cousins, and there are many factors working against shooting a small 9 mm accurately and quickly. The short sight radius of a pocket gun can affect accuracy and their smaller size means there is less of the gun to hold on to as it recoils. Also, the lighter weight of a subcompact gun means there is less mass to soak up recoil, slowing down follow up shots and less mass to resist a bad trigger pull, which can dramatically affect your accuracy.
Whether or not a subcompact single stack 9 mm a good choice for you over small revolver is up to you and your set of circumstances. For myself and many other gun owners in America, though, those trade-offs in accuracy and firepower are worth having a small, easily-concealable defensive pistol with features and functionality that mimic the larger, full-size defensive pistols we use in competition and in our jobs.
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Old 07-24-2017, 05:07 PM
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Old 07-24-2017, 05:10 PM
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Not a chance. If I'm going to accept the drawbacks of an autoloader I want as much capacity as I can get. A semiauto that only holds a round or two more than a revolver seems like the worst possible compromise in my opinion.

Edit: Maybe I'm being a bit harsh. For the people who can't learn to shoot a revolver (I haven't met many, but I hear on the Internet they exist) I suppose the single stack 9 is a good option.

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Nope.. Like the old saying goes, ''A poor ride beats a proud walk''..

A bad Wheel gun beats a great bottom feeder A N Y D A Y
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Old 07-24-2017, 05:24 PM
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Nope.. Like the old saying goes, ''A poor ride beats a proud walk''..

A bad Wheel gun beats a great bottom feeder A N Y D A Y
while i'am a wheel gun fan, I wouldn't go that far
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Old 07-24-2017, 05:27 PM
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My short answer is no.

My first longer answer is yes, possibly or maybe even probably, for those who use handguns in competition and in their jobs that they greatly like and are used to so it is a simple matter for them to carry a "shrunken one".

But my longer answer is "no", but that goes for those of us who like revolvers, especially short barreled revolvers, although I daresay there are plenty of folks out there who successfully conceal 3" and 4" wheel guns.

The pocket revolver goes everywhere, easily conceals, and the general shooting/self defense populace doesn't feel under gunned with a 5 shot revolver in, usually, but not always, .38 Special caliber.

I have a pocket holster for a 2" snubby K-frame that I can use when I wear loose fitting cargo pants. That gives me the ability to carry a 6-shooter instead of a 5 shot J frame. Better yet, however, I routinely carry a 6 shot, snubbie K frame on my belt. Very easy to conceal under an open shirt, loose shirt, or vest.

The biggest problem "concealed carry revolver" folks have is the dearth of such guns except in five shot sizes. Colt just brought back a "Cobra", and Kimber now makes a couple of them, maybe Taurus makes one, I am not certain. If S&W started a run of Model 10 snubbies I bet they would sell in quantity and quickly. K frame snubbies are so much better in so many ways than any five shot wheelie that it would not surprise me if the sellers could even keep them in stock for any length of time.

There are occasions when I carry a CS-9, a single stack 9mm, and sometimes a 6906, a double stack 9mm. But my first preference is always a snubbie revolver and I don't think that I am alone. Not for older guys, anyway.....
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Old 07-24-2017, 05:34 PM
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The biggest problem "concealed carry revolver" folks have is the dearth of such guns except in five shot sizes. Colt just brought back a "Cobra", and Kimber now makes a couple of them, maybe Taurus makes one, I am not certain. If S&W started a run of Model 10 snubbies I bet they would sell in quantity and quickly. K frame snubbies are so much better in so many ways than any five shot wheelie that it would not surprise me if the sellers could even keep them in stock for any length of time.
Couldn't agree more! At least S&W now makes a 2.75" Model 66, which is a good start, but the 2" Model 10 makes a much better pocket gun. An updated Model 12 rated for +P would be even better. I can't believe it's taken this long to see any new 6 shot snubs on the market again.
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Old 07-24-2017, 05:35 PM
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But, but, but, how can gun companies maximize profits if they don't change up the formula once in a while and convince folks "new fangled features" are better.
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I would say that no, the single-stack 9mm hasn't killed the carry revolver, but I think it's encroached significantly into the revolver's domain, maybe even the majority of the domain. But I think there will always be people around who will appreciate the capabilities of a good snub revolver.

I EDC a 642, but I have to admit that a single-stack 9mm would be a nice option to have. I'm not taking about pocket 9s, though. I'm thinking something along the lines of a Sig P239 or a Kahr P9.

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If S&W started a run of Model 10 snubbies I bet they would sell in quantity and quickly. K frame snubbies are so much better in so many ways than any five shot wheelie that it would not surprise me if the sellers could even keep them in stock for any length of time.
A little off topic, but I always thought a scandium alloy/stainless steel version of the 2" Model 12 RB, with a dovetailed front sight, would make for a great concealed carry K-frame.

Also, I miss my bobbed/DAO 2" 64.

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and the Smith & Wesson Model 19 were their primary defensive firearm
More like the S&W Model 10' otherwise, I agree with the others that a good snub can be just as handy as a small single stack.
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I just went to the store, a quick trip, took my 2 1/2" model 66 with one speed loader, didn't feel like I was lacking any fire power. As it was written above an extra 1 or 2 rounds in a single stack auto-loader isn't a good trade off when you factor in the reliability factor between a revolver and a auto loader. Now if I was going shopping in Detroit, I would take a Glock 19 and 2 extra magazines.
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Not in my case. Do not own a 9mm.
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A 640 Pro became my #1 EDC earlier this year causing my Shield 40 to suddenly feel very unappreciated.

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Just some quick thoughts:
You make good points in the argument of the "super compact". Yet, I would like to bring a couple of further points forward.
First, I would like to state that for every single handgun shooter, the most important feature of any handgun is "How comfortable are you (the shooter) with this particular handgun".
A proper grip is important in marksmanship, yet I own many pistols, some are more comfortable feeling in my hand than others whether they are automatics or revolvers. And, believe it or not, I consistently demonstrate better marksmanship with those pistols that I like the feeling of than the ones that are not that comfortable in my hand.
Also, how comfortable is the shooter with the functionality of the handgun (i.e. slide safety, slide stop, etc.). All humans learn to use tools, yet each has their own unique perspective on what muscles to use, the coordination, and the logic tree of function. Having taught basic pistol and rifle marksmanship to Soldiers for over 20 years, you would be surprised how step by step, in very intricate detail, one must be to achieve the desired results from a platoon of Soldiers. Each Soldier does understand the instructions, but each one will interpret those instructions in their own unique way until corrected.
Furthermore, the “super compacts” in 9mm, 40 S&W, and .45 ACP did not exist until this generation along with the move from revolver to automatic. In the past, one had only limited choices (examples like the S&W Model 36, Colt Detective, and the Walther PPK) of caliber to select from. Most examples being either .38 Special or .380 ACP.
Now, I am not a law enforcement officer, but I believe that the ammo capacity of a duty weapon or back up weapon would be an important consideration in choosing the right pistol. But, as a civilian looking at self-protection handguns, ammunition capacity is not that important. In other words, if I need more than six rounds to get me out of there, then I should not have been there to begin with.
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A 38 snub won't come out of battery if pressed against someone. A bad primer? pull the trigger, problem solved. Can't get it out of a coat pocket, shoot thru it. Need to hand it off to a non shooter if you are hit, no learning curve just point & pull the trigger. No brass knuckles? A stainless snub makes a decent basher.
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i also prefer a 6 shot lightweight pocket revolver....carry a charter arms police special...20 ounces and is considerably lighter than the new kimber or the new colt 6-shots
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Revolvers are selling very well, so I don't think the single stack 9 has killed anything. I have a .45 shield and almost bought a 9 shield too, but then I came across the 640 PRO and it is what I carry every single day, with a Big smile on my face.
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No. Why should it? Many people like the operational simplicity and reliability of a revolver and are willing to put up with the limitations it imposes.
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More often than not these days I carry my 649. Depending on where I go, I may grab my 3913 or Sig Ultra Compact. So, no, the revolver is not dead here. It is alive and doing well, surviving proudly as my normal choice when I leave the house. Through the years I have carried quite a few different pieces. I am now 'older', and quite comfortable with a 649.... Now, that said, if the poopie hits the fan, it is still going with me, but likely as a BUG....
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"DID THE SINGLE STACK 9MM KILL THE CARRY REVOLVER?"

Yes, at least it did a number on the CONCEALED CARRY revolver, such as the J frame.

Larger autos had already done the same to duty sized revolvers.

There will always be some who carry the J frame for various reasons, but for the most part, I doubt it will ever become preeminent again in the concealed carry market.
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I carried a 4" .357 revolver for the last half of my career, and it was my CCW for a long time thereafter. I have always had a J frame around someplace as well. Events of the last few years have convinced me, however, that it is no longer "a revolver world" when you are out and about. I recognize that possibilities are not the same as probabilities, and I do not drive an MRAP to the grocery store. But I can upgrade my personal weaponry with less fuss, and have chosen to do so.

Even in these screwy times a J frame will likely suffice for most situations. Then, again, it may not. Like everybody else, I had to go Glock 19 to see if it was perfect for me. I tried; I now favor a lightly modded BHP that I shoot pretty well and carries even better. It's the most reliable firearm I own. Two 15 round mags give me six times the ammo of a J frame, which I like. Even though it's a steel pistol, in a minimalist belt slide I personally find it less burdensome than a 442 in a pocket holster was. Maybe that's just me.

I know about single stack 9s, but for the additional one or two rounds capacity I don't want to give up wheelgun reliability. Small semi autos don't seem to run as well as bigger stuff.

I've been impressed by the .45 Shield, but I'm almost convinced that a modern 9mm load is enough.

Still got a soft spot for that 4" .357, though...
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I wouldn't say killed it, but at the current time its the popular option. Subcompact auto's and mouse guns sell like crazy right now. And the responses I see are what I'd expect for this question posed in a revolver forum full of those with a full on interest in revolvers as well.

But it all goes in cycles. Remember when .40 cal was the new rage? So much better than a 9mm. Bridges the gap from 9 to 45. Yeah, thats over. Can't give a .40 away right now, and is it any different than it was 15yrs ago when it was everyone's new "have to have"? Eventually it will swing again, and you won't be able to give away those pocket 9's either.

I have the worst of the bunch. A shield in .40. A caliber that nobody wants anymore in a compact size. Got it over a Smith snubnose because I knew the kids couldn't rack the slide on it where as they could likely get the trigger back on a wheel gun. Now they're old enough that it doesn't matter so much and here I am with this little fireplug of a plastic pistol wishing it was made of steel and turned when you pulled the trigger.
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Despite what the many fan boys here say (and yes, I'm a revolver fan too), while the single stack didn't kill the revolver, it was the beginning of it's demise. Double stacks are what really brought about the revolver's death, at least as far as law enforcement is concerned. For every officer today carrying a revolver, including plain clothes, I'd bet there are 1,000 carrying semi autos with double stack magazines. I'd also bet that no service personnel have carried a revolver since Vietnam. Even the venerable J frame is seldom seen among either of these two groups of people.
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i'am sure $200 shields don't help the wheel guns cause, but I tend to agree, for me anyway, a nine shot shield is a better choice then a 5/6 round revolver, just from price point alone.
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I am an engineer by education but my wife is the more logical of the two of us. Now that I have that kicked that nugget of information out there, here goes my story. I have taken my wife shooting handguns a number of times but this year she decided she wanted her very own home defense gun. She wanted to look at the various options again so I got out a Kahr CM9, a Glock and P series SIG along with a S&W M60 and a Ruger Security Six from the safe. I explain the manual of arms for all of them and showed her how to load and shoot all of them. This took a while and to be fair, she couldn't rack the slide on the Kahr by herself. At the end of this exercise she looked at me and asked why anyone would chose an autoloader for self defense. We then drove to the local gun shop and she purchased a new M67. This is a very nice shooting gun by the way.
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Our agency issues the Glock 23 (.40), the Narcotics guys wanted something smaller for their assignments and asked the chief for the Glock 43. From what I hear from those in Narcotics they really like the 43 and find it easy to qualify with. The reason I still prefer a revolver is b/c they are so much lighter than any single stack 9MM and weight is important to me due to back & hip problems.
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IMHO... The "single stack" 9mm did not kill anything. Yes, It took a huge bite from the amount of revolvers being used for EDC, but there are still lots of snubbies floating around the streets. Probably a lot more than you would think.

IMHO, yeah, I'm full of... Opinions... The snub-nosed revolver is like Harley-Davidson. There are more modern, cheaper alternatives that might perform better, but the snubbie has a dedicated fan base of older guys that grew up with them and will always have one in the collection. There are also a lot of younger people that "get it", realizing the snubbie does what it was designed to do VERY WELL.

Simply put... Harley-Davidson is not going anywhere, and neither is the snubbie.

Some days the Shield 9 gets duty, some days the PD340 with 5 x .357 gets the call. This time of year, it's the PD340 nine times out of ten.
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No. A revolver still has, in most instances, a reliability edge and no sweat if the round doesn't light off, pull the trigger again.

Not even a G29 can equal the 610 ft lb punch of my Ruger SP101 using Buffalo Bore 158gr JHPs and the smaller cross section adds even more to barrier pentration issues. Don
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In a sense I split the difference with a Kahr 9CM. 16oz, good sights, smoooth double action at 6lbs and a 3 second reload.

Very accurate, very accurate and 300 smackers out the door. Hides easier than a J Frame.
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Revolvers are simple, easy to use and, nearly idiot proof. As an LEO firearms instructor, I discovered it was much easier to train new hires on a revolver rather than a self loader. A semi-auto requires regular practice which, may or may not be available. I did carry a 1911 in the twilight years of my patrol work and shot it weekly. With that said, I always, always had a J frame second gun in my boot.

Texas Ranger Frank Hamer was quizzed about carrying a revolver and his reply was "Well if I needed more than five rounds, I wouldn't be very good at law enforcing".
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It's still is, and always will be, hitting what you shoot AT. Carry whatever you feel comfortable with and practice. I carry a dink 380 Bodyguard which is better than anything I used to carry, which was NOTHING. It's a blast to shoot and it goes everywhere and is smaller than most wallets. I just pray I never have to use it, but I'm prepared. Friend has an LCP and has never fired it.
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Everybody has an opinion, as well as a personal preference. So do I! I am an old revolver carrier and user. I have several, and among them are my favorite guns. I had little use for a semi auto for many years. When the striker fired semi autos appeared, I began to look at them more closely. The mode of operation as far as drawing, shooting by just pressing the trigger, and reholstering was little different from my revolvers. The semi's allowed easier carry and slightly faster reloading capabilities than did my revolvers, although by this time, I could reload my revolver faster from my loop loader on my service belt faster than most folks could imagine.

After I quit wearing the Sam Browne belt for a living and wore civilian clothing all the time, a six round loop loader on a belt slide was about the best I could manage, and those six rounds were pretty obvious! My first experience with a striker fired gun was a glock. Could not abide the shape and angle of the grip. I also had little use for revolver grips that did not fit my hand well because none of us can shoot their best with a gun that does not fit their hands well. I even flirted strongly with the 1911 platform during this time. My head was NOT programmed to manipulate the thumb safety as a part of bringing the gun into action. NOT GOOD! Yes, enough shooting and training could have changed that, but I was old enough and so set in my ways that I did not elect to put myself through that process. I tried several other striker and hammer fired DAO semi autos. I owned an S&W 4586 that was a dandy gun in all respects. But it was too big and heavy to carry and conceal every day. I tried others with out warming up to them. I bought a good used M&P 9MM fulled sized semi auto. I really liked it too, but it is a large gun to carry every day. I continued to carry my revolvers, vascillating between a Model 640-1 J Frame and two or three of my K Frames with 2.5" or 3" barrels.

Then one day I had a chance to hold, handle, shoot and carry a Shield 9MM. My friend, the owner, allowed me to carry it for a few days. I was very impressed, so I bought one and started carrying it some as well as continuing to shoot it regularly to discover how reliable it was. At some point, I began to carry it regularly. It was easier in some ways to carry than my revolvers. With 8 +1 rounds in the gun and a single 8 round mag on my belt, I had about the same number of cartridges as I did with my K Frames and two reloads and more than the J Frame with two reloads. The semi auto reloads were more readily accessible than my revolver reloads and were easier to conceal. The Shield was also flatter and lighter than my steel framed revolvers. And I could shoot it as well or better than my revolvers.

Now what I am telling you is my own experience. I don't say it does or should mirror your experience. It took me a long time to admit that I could find no good reason not to carry the Shield other than my personal preference for the revolvers. I can say honestly that I now own two of the 9MM Shields )one is my wife's). I have also bought into the Shield .45. That one has made the difference for me. I have not carried either my revolvers or my 9MM Shield since. I am perfectly comfortable carrying +P .38 Special or good 9MM premium ammo for my personal protection needs, but I like the bigger heavier bullets very much.

I have fired thousands of rounds through the Shields as well as a full sized M&P9 and M&P 45. I have not had one personal experience that has diminished my full faith and confidence in any of them. At this point, I trust them as much as my beloved revolvers. And I can carry as much or more ammo for the semi's as the revolvers more easily and reload them more quickly. And I can carry the semi autos more comfortably as well.
So my revolvers get shot at the range and stand by for back up or house guns and occasional sentimental carry. But my EDC is the Shield45.

For me, the old argument about the reliability issues between a good revolver and a good striker fired semi auto are moot. Everything we do and every choice we make involves compromises. And for me the additional rounds, the ease of carry of both the gun and the extra ammo, and the speed and ease of quickly reloading the semi's have tipped my scales slightly in favor of them. If I couldn't shoot them well, they'd be gone by now. I can, at least as well as I can shoot these days. If my britches or even short pants are on me, so is my EDC, and with few exceptions, that will be the Shield45 these days. I have looked hard and long, and I personally find no reason to change that at this point.

I'm not saying what you should do, except that you should carry what you like and can carry the easiest and what you shoot the best. I will not carry either platform if there is a question in my mind about the platform or the specific gun. My Shields are as they came from the factory, well broken in and smoothed and slicked up by lots of rounds down the pipe. They are my current choice and will be as long as I have this confidence in them. But I haven't and don't intend to get rid of my revolvers either, because I have the same confidence in them. Actually, I'm kind of in hog heaven here. What's not to like? I think a man ought to carry what he likes the best IF he can do good work with it and if he trusts it. That's the best advice I can give. You gotta work that out for yourselves! My story is what has worked out for me, and over a pretty long period of time. I ain't lookin' for anything else today for EDC or personal protection. Am I still looking? Yeah, but mostly only at older fine S&W revolvers!!! I've got all the semi's that I need .... but in my world, there is definitely room for both platforms!
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Or do you win because you have more J-frames?

Seriously, I don't personally think single stack 9mms "killed" the carry revolver, but posting up a picture of your vast collection with the word "NO" does not somehow automatically vindicate your position.

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It definitely put it on the ropes, though I think the LCP sized guns were a bigger factor.

I shoot at least once a week on an indoor range. I haven't seen a revolver (other than mine) there in months.

I have to do a geezer qualification once a year for LEOSA. You'd think it would be a bastion for revolvers, but last time my Detective Special and another old coot's Model 60 were the only ones there.

Here in the echo chamber revolvers are still relevant. Out in the world I think its a different story.
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Asking people in a revolver forum if the revolver is dead, and most of them say, "no." What a surprise.
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I love revolvers, but I do think the 5 shot snub nose is getting eclipsed by the plethora of small and reliable 380 and 9mm.

The main reason for the 5 shot snub was pocket sized reliability. There was a time when reliable small autos were few and far between. Today, the newer small autos are very reliable.

Also, 5-6 rounds may not be enough today. Multiple attackers, terrorists with rifles, and mass public shooters with long arms are a real possibility. When the 5 shot snub was popular, a good guy was most likely going to up against bad guys with revolvers. Now, bad guys will have 18 shot pistols at a minimum.

You can find many cases of police officers (both on and off duty) and armed citizens who either died or lost a gunfight due to running their 5-6 shot wheelguns dry. Many of these situations were much like what a private citizen might face (mall shooting or the like).

7-9 rounds of 380 or 9mm, with a fast reload, beats 5 shots of 38 and a slow reload.
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l read somewhere years ago that New York City keeps detailed records of

gunfights in the city and has been since 1852. Reading along it said the

average number of ''Shots Fired'' over these last 165 years 2.7 rounds..

Using that information leads me to the conclusion l have enough rounds

in my little Centennial Model for TWO gunfights before having to reload.
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Boys, boys, boys... play nice, now.

I think I'll just start carrying one of each and make everyone happy.

Oops! Now I've got to pick which ones to pair, and which rigs to use... Sorry, I guess I didn't think it through far enough. My choices would be sure to get someone riled up.
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A lot of people new to guns for protection or just because they might be banned bought the latest craze going which was the semi auto. Many of those guns probably are still in their original boxes in some drawer.

In most cases a person that might get involved in the less than 1% chance they will need a handgun will not be involved in a situation that they need more than 1 or 2 rounds either. Also like some said the semi auto might only have 2 or 3 more rounds loaded than a revolver anyway.

I started out with semi autos but now they sit in the safe while I carry a 44 special five shot revolver. Most personal attacks where a gun might be needed are usually up close not across a street shoot out. I would say the average person involved in a shooting situation would be up close and lucky to get one round shot off let alone have the time to shoot 8 times. Facts are things aren't like in the movies.
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I love revolvers, but I do think the 5 shot snub nose is getting eclipsed by the plethora of small and reliable 380 and 9mm.

The main reason for the 5 shot snub was pocket sized reliability. There was a time when reliable small autos were few and far between. Today, the newer small autos are very reliable.

Also, 5-6 rounds may not be enough today. Multiple attackers, terrorists with rifles, and mass public shooters with long arms are a real possibility. When the 5 shot snub was popular, a good guy was most likely going to up against bad guys with revolvers. Now, bad guys will have 18 shot pistols at a minimum.

You can find many cases of police officers (both on and off duty) and armed citizens who either died or lost a gunfight due to running their 5-6 shot wheelguns dry. Many of these situations were much like what a private citizen might face (mall shooting or the like).

7-9 rounds of 380 or 9mm, with a fast reload, beats 5 shots of 38 and a slow reload.
Could you please link to these armed citizens who died because their revolvers ran out of ammo? My reload is going to be to grab another snubby, hopefully that won't take too long.
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Everyone have different tastes. There are a lot of people who enjoy revolvers and feel comfortable shooting them. I have 3 daughters all of them choose a revolver over a semi auto (they hate loading magazines) In conclusion no the single stack hasn't killed the revolver because not everyone likes the same things.
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It's funny that I happened upon this thread just this morning. I am a 30 year law enforcement veteran who up until about 10 years ago carried a J frame or equivalent (most recently a Ruger LCR) revolver daily. More recently I've carried all sorts of compact and single stack 40's, 9mm's and pocket 380's, but lately, I've been longing to return to my roots. Just yesterday I picked up a 642-2. I would have preferred a -1...but -2 was what was available so I opted to just disable the lock. I was very happy with my LCR, but I like the option of using the DeSantis Lip Grip (unavailable for the LCR) which I believe is the PERFECT IWB solution for a J-Frame revolver. I also think that there is no better ECD for ankle carry than a revolver since even the slimmest of 9mm's print more through dress pant legs due to the blockier design. I don't think the "J" frame is going anywhere anytime soon.....
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The one advantage the revolver has, especially a super light J like the 340PD, is weight. To date no 9MM has come out that is as light as this model revolver. I pocket carry b/c of back & hip problems and aside from the LCP, the 340PD (about the same weight) is my choice for EDC.
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Never met a J frame I couldn't shoot well even with hotter loads never met a small auto that I can shoot well with the exception of the Walter PPK but I guess it doesn't count as a small auto anymore .The small auto pistol has been around for years but now the gun companies have the technology to go to a 9mm round the only problem is shooting that slim light easy to conceal but hard to control small auto .Take the place of the small revolver lol no get traded in on a small revolver very likely .
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Not for this old guy or his wife and daughter, but I suspect the younger generation may go the semi route for the most part. My son did as did my son-in-law.
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IMHO and that's all it is; my opinion...............................

No.......

That said; I've carried a single stack 9mm 3913/NL or 3914 95% of the time since about 1990......................

I also own and carry a 3" 66 and 65 along with a couple of 2 and 3 inch J-frames..................mostly woods/cabin/country carry.

the small revolver has survived 27 years of compact single stack 9mm autos being available......my guess is they will survive at least till we can get a........ phaser set on stun!

Today we just have more options............................ not a bad thing IMHO!!!

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