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Old 08-09-2017, 04:09 PM
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Outfitted with a Burris FF3 for the woodchucks marauding the morning garden....AND a CT laser for the raccoons after dark.
It will hold 1.5" at 50 feet. Even starlings under the birdfeeder aren't safe. Fits in a cargo pocket and weighs 14 ounces.

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Old 08-09-2017, 04:27 PM
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Love it!

I'm a big 317 fan and like the way you have yours setup. Had my 3" out a week or so ago. Am still impressed how well it shoots.

Also have a 1 7/8" m317 which has been my pocket gun while wearing hip surgery recovery attire (loose shorts with elastic waistband). Only thing that doesn't pull pants down around ankles. Certainly not the best defense gun, but makes me feel better.

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Very nice. Great gun stand, I may have to try making one like that.
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Old 08-10-2017, 01:21 PM
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I would probably just fence the garden but your plan sounds like more fun.
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Don't see too many J-frames with optics. Who made the base?
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I'll bet the optics weigh as much as the 317. I had a 317 and couldn't hit schit with it.

BTW, what's the street price of those Burris FF's?
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You'd lose the bet.

S&W lists the gun weight at 11.7 ounces. The Crimson Trace laser grips probably weigh more than the factory grips. Even if not, the mount and FF3 can't weigh even 3 ounces combined, since this entire pkg is 14 ounces.

The mount is sold here in the classifieds and on EBay for <$40. It's superbly made and worth every penny. It's made to be a drop-in fit on any K,L,N frame whose sight channel is rounded in front and top strap factory drilled and tapped.

It can be fit to a J-frame (as well as any old style K,L or N) by anybody you'd trust to drill and tap two holes in the top strap. If they can do that, they can narrow the rail tenon on the bottom and shorten the vertical section at the rear. Less than an hour's work. The maker did all the heavy lifting with the excellent machining to mate the sight to the base.

Search Ebay for an FF3 for <$200. Distinguishing features are the on/off switch, easy access battery, great sight adjustments and dot-intensity choices.

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It will hold 1.5" at 50 feet.
what ammo???
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You'd lose the bet.

S&W lists the gun weight at 11.7 ounces. The Crimson Trace laser grips probably weigh more than the factory grips. Even if not, the mount and FF3 can't weigh even 3 ounces combined, since this entire pkg is 14 ounces.

The mount is sold here in the classifieds and on EBay for <$40. It's superbly made and worth every penny. It's made to be a drop-in fit on any K,L,N frame whose sight channel is rounded in front and top strap factory drilled and tapped.

It can be fit to a J-frame (as well as any old style K,L or N) by anybody you'd trust to drill and tap two holes in the top strap. If they can do that, they can narrow the rail tenon on the bottom and shorten the vertical section at the rear. Less than an hour's work. The maker did all the heavy lifting with the excellent machining to mate the sight to the base.

Search Ebay for an FF3 for <$200. Distinguishing features are the on/off switch, easy access battery, great sight adjustments and dot-intensity choices.

Shameless plug: the custom display stands can also be found here in the classifieds.
Good looking and shooting kit.

Nice mods to a great mount
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That used to be such a hard gun to find. I gave up and settled for a pair of Kit Guns (one 2 inch and one 4 inch) a little over a year ago. Every LGS I went into said they hadn't been able to get a 317 in over a year. If I saw one out for sale today, I would probably buy it.
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what ammo???
To date....Remington Golden Bullet HP's. For this gun I'm only interested in high to hyper velocity HP's.

The most accurate 22LR hunting ammo I've ever tested is Lapua/SK's high velocity HP's advertised at ~1250 fps. They've been unbeatable in several rifles and a couple of pistols (1963 Browning Challenger and newer Buckmark). This is the first revolver I've tested them in and I was stunned that it prefers the Rems to the SK. With Walmart awash in 22 ammo again, I just bought some Win & CCI HP's to test.
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It's funny no one makes an optics base for J-frames. At best you gotta whittle down a base sized for the rear sight channel of a K/L/N frame. Time and frustration, or cost you money if you pay a gunsmith to do it.

When you think of all the kit type guns that might benefit from a good scope base. Longer barrel guns appropriate for plinking and hunting small game. Like the 4-inch Model 34/63's (there's a million of them) and the 3 and 5-inch Model 60's.

Guys like me with not so great eyesight might buy a few and put some dot sights on those handy little guns. Sounds like the OP sure likes his.
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That is a sweet looking 317! May have to pick up one.
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It's funny no one makes an optics base for J-frames. At best you gotta whittle down a base sized for the rear sight channel of a K/L/N frame. Time and frustration, or cost you money if you pay a gunsmith to do it.

When you think of all the kit type guns that might benefit from a good scope base. Longer barrel guns appropriate for plinking and hunting small game. Like the 4-inch Model 34/63's (there's a million of them) and the 3 and 5-inch Model 60's.

Guys like me with not so great eyesight might buy a few and put some dot sights on those handy little guns. Sounds like the OP sure likes his.
UPDATE: A kind fellow has offered to help with the mount design.

I would be interested in adding an adjustable rear sight model J-frame mount to my mount offerings (Raptor Engineering). Problem is I do not have an example revolver to make measurements from and to do the prototype fittings. I would love to have a 317 to keep my 617 company but current funds are otherwise spoken for -- kid #2 transferring from local JC to out of state 4-year college in Jan!

If someone with an adjustable rear sight J-frame model would like to work with me to get the design done they would get a free mount. I have done this with others for the Freedom Arms and Buck Mark mounts I offer and it worked out well for each of us.

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I thought this was pretty cool.



Over the years, I've played with BB caps, CB caps, CB longs, Subsonics, etc. in 22's and never been impressed.

I mentioned earlier my Walmart is heavy on 22 ammo, so I picked up some CCI & Win hp's; even some 22 short hp's since I hadn't seen them in years. As a kid we shot shorts because they were 25 cents/box cheaper. In recent years they seem to have become a boutique item. I shot them up today, along with this CCI "Quiet-22" ammo. I was amazed that it edged out all the others for accuracy @ 50 feet. That's a hair under 1.5" for 8 shots and I did it twice from a rest...no fluke.

I also ran them all over the chronograph at 10 ft. The Quiet-22 is advertised @ 710 fps ( from a rifle no doubt) and I got 586 fps. That sure sounds wimpy, but my .17 pellet rifle launches a 7.9 grain pellet @ 650 fps and hammers starlings with a whopping 7 ft-lbs of muzzle energy.

This 40 gr bullet @ 586 fps generates 4 times that. That'll be overkill....may have to dedicate it to red squirrels.
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