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I will start another thread on Saturday for a range report, after I pick up gun, clean then go to range. I have moon clips in the mail to me, as well as 45 auto rimmed brass I ordered from midway yesterday. Eventually I will have the best of both worlds for my new to me and only S&W I will own with the Hillary hole in her. The gun does not come with anything so no key for lock so hopefully the lock will not be an issue. I have a Remington Anniversary Wingmaster from 2001 with a lock in it. Apparently Remington tried the whole lock idea for a few years too. I choose just not to use it and have not had a problem with that gun even though I went ahead and ordered a key for it just in case.
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One thing that I don't believe was mentioned is crimp jump. In the sc/ti guns the bullets from recoil can move forward out of the case due to recoil. I have never had it happen yet but I have only shot factory ammo which is pretty cheap now at $13/50 delivered to my door. If you reload you will need a good crimp to keep the rounds intact while firing.
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I will start another thread on Saturday for a range report, after I pick up gun, clean then go to range. I have moon clips in the mail to me, as well as 45 auto rimmed brass I ordered from midway yesterday. Eventually I will have the best of both worlds for my new to me and only S&W I will own with the Hillary hole in her. The gun does not come with anything so no key for lock so hopefully the lock will not be an issue. I have a Remington Anniversary Wingmaster from 2001 with a lock in it. Apparently Remington tried the whole lock idea for a few years too. I choose just not to use it and have not had a problem with that gun even though I went ahead and ordered a key for it just in case.
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Don't waste your time cleaning it when you pick it up. Go shoot it, then clean it. It's a revolver, you will have a very hard time getting it dirty enough to make it not work through shooting it.
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08-17-2017, 03:48 PM
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I was leery of moon clips before I got my 325 TR. Now I am a fan. I just have a demooning tool. I find I can hand load 5 rounds easily into the clip w/o a tool. The 6th round can be tough, so I usually skip loading that when at the range.
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08-18-2017, 12:23 AM
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One thing that I don't believe was mentioned is crimp jump. In the sc/ti guns the bullets from recoil can move forward out of the case due to recoil. I have never had it happen yet but I have only shot factory ammo which is pretty cheap now at $13/50 delivered to my door. If you reload you will need a good crimp to keep the rounds intact while firing.
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Good reminder.
Even the 45 Night Guards with their stainless steel cylinders (27oz.) have that problem with hot loads. 185gr JHPs are okay until you bump it up to near 45 Super. Heavier bullets sooner.
I like Sierra's 240gr JHC because it has a cannelure which I give a good roll crimp in the 45AR cases.
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Nice gun OP. I passed on one and have regretted it ever since, I had to choose between it and a 1911pd, and the 1911 won. Should have bought both! I also passed on the .44mag version twice.
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08-19-2017, 12:03 AM
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I like their 1/3 (2-round) moon clips.
Load & unload by hand, & they seem pretty durable.
My old commercial 1917 has been reamed for 45 Colt by a previous owner, so moonclips are a must for me to shoot rimless cartridges.
But I do have the additional option of shooting 45 colt.
So I've got that going for me (in my best imitation of Bill Murray as Carl the groundskeeper voice)...
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08-20-2017, 02:48 AM
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I ordered some clips from T K customs and a very gracious member is going to send me a couple. Be easier to load and especially unload that way. Thanks to everybody for having me go for it. I got a great deal!!
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You may want to try some RIMZ, poly moon clips for it. NO TOOLS NEEDED for loading & unloading clips! Great for the range. Use them for my JM.
YOU STOLE THAT 1 you know! Congratulations! Bob
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08-20-2017, 05:49 AM
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OP...you got a great deal to say the least.....
As to the 325s, it is probably the best of the series because of the light weight the others just kick too much. I had the 357 PD and NG and sold both as just too uncomfortable to shoot even with the S&W 500 Hogue grips. With the .45 ACP round you have a nice big bullet going at a moderate velocity...perfect for a light weight gun...
A friend who I am going to visit today is a .45 ACP revolver collector...he has both the 2.5" and 4" PDs. When he carried them he uses CorBon PowR'Ball ammo...lots of speed and a not a lot of recoil.
I've had a number of S&W .45 ACP revolvers over the years and only one would not fire reliably without clips...that was a very early 4" 625. The chambers were very sloppy.
That said most of the rounds I've fired from .45 ACP revolvers have been Auto Rim. Just sold my last one, a Mountain Gun, and don't expect to have any more. I do have one Taurus Tracker in stainless but that one doesn't need moon clips as the ejectors are built into the cylinder...
Have a great time with your now found friend...
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08-20-2017, 09:25 AM
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Picked up this 625-2 "Model of 1989" about two years ago. Replaced the front sight with a green fiber optic.
.45 ACP - 200 grain plated TC reloads
.45 Auto Rim - 250-grain lead Keith flat nose reloads w/Unique
Shot a deer at 75 yards last year using my 45 Auto Rim loads, one shot, dropped on the spot.
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And OP: Great find, the 325-PD is a super nice pistol too, contrats!
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At the end, Pizza Bob was more right than I was. I eventually DID have a failure to fire using .45ACP at the range without moon clips. It happened within the last year or so, and I don't remember whether it was with my 22-4 or my 325PD. It did fire when I hit it again. Not a problem on the range, but the new guns should definitely be used with moon clips when carried for real.
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Plus you get to recover your spent brass with ease.
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Yeah i hate picking up my brass from my revolver when it spits it all over the ground lol. But anyway yes its much easier than a semi-auto shooting session.
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Congrats Daddio! Very nice revolver, at a steal!
Haha, just saw this thread was resurrected.
Still, congrats Daddio!
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I eventually DID have a failure to fire using .45ACP at the range without moon clips.
It happened within the last year or so, and I don't remember whether it was with my 22-4 or my 325PD.
It did fire when I hit it again.
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A couple of thoughts:
45ACP cases, without moonclips, that are within SAAMI length specs (.888"-.898") will sit lower in the chamber & farther away from the breech/firing pin by ~.006" to .016" than the same case in a moonclip will.
As a revolver's cylinder develops more endshake from use the cylinder can be moved farther away from the breech/firing pin.
A "marginal" length firing pin is more likely to give light strikes/FTF as the distance between the firing pin & primer face increases.
Add variances in primer pocket depths, seated primer depth, and numerous other factors, it's becomes very beneficial to have a full length firing pin, or an extended length firing pin, installed in models that have frame mounted firing pins.
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I bought my PD about ten years ago for something to take on river trips.
I had other handguns that could be used, but the PD is perfect for that role.
Yes, they are light, but recoil is not bad at all. My daughter would shoot mine until all the ammo was gone, and she is 5'2" 110 lbs.
I don't know why someone would want to use these without moon clips even if the case will headspace on the mouth without them.
You'll find the extractor will slip over the case rim and you'll be picking the empties out one by one.
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