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Old 02-09-2018, 01:01 PM
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I just bought this Smith & Wesson Governor:
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I am wondering what your opinions are of this particular revolver, any tips you might have, holsters, both target and self defense ammo, etc. I haven't had the chance to shoot any rounds out of it yet cuz I just got it, but have dry fired it and the trigger seems to be just top rate. Please feel free to give your opinion in regards to this revolver.

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Old 02-09-2018, 01:32 PM
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I would rate the trigger on mine as TEN PLUS. Just about as good as a S&W can get!

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I like my Governor and have used it as my nightstand "go-to" gun for the past 5 years. I have it loaded with 410 double ought and 45 Colt in every other cylinder. The Governor feels much like my old S&W 19-4 duty revolver when fired. It's a keeper!
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You may encounter several naysayers here but I love mine. For me, it's not just about the ammunition it uses but the intimidation factor it presents.

There's more to self defense, than simply discharging a weapon.

Also, I'm a sucker for revolvers.

Don't try birdshot .410 rounds. They'll likely bind up the cylinder.
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While many scoff at the Governor I think it's a versatile and fun revolver. With Federal 000 Buck handgun loads it shoots tight patterns out to 30 feet and beyond. S&W sells a lot of these and for good reason.
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Some like to call the Governor a "gimmick", but it's not. It's fine for nightstand and woods carry. Although i have only shot .410 out of it so far, I love mine for woods carry and pest control. The holster i use is the well made DeSantis "Dual Angle", which can be used for cross draw, and regular draw.
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Old 02-09-2018, 04:38 PM
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Iím one of the folks who scoff at the Governor and think it a gimmick. I have no use for one.

If you want to use it for self defense, Iíd suggest you use 45 acp or 45 lc ammo not the 410 stuff.
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Old 02-09-2018, 05:29 PM
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Iím one of the folks who scoff at the Governor and think it a gimmick. I have no use for one.

If you want to use it for self defense, Iíd suggest you use 45 acp or 45 lc ammo not the 410 stuff.
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Old 02-09-2018, 07:56 PM
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I keep mine next to my side of the bed, ready to go. I've shot 45 LC, 45 ACP and 410 loads thru mine. I even dispatched an ill rabbit with a 410 round. Right now, it is loaded with six rounds of Winchester SXZ 410 (000 buckshot). I even plugged the hole, thanks to Bullseye Smith, and bought round to square butt conversion grip thru S&W's website. I also bought a holster off of the S&W website.
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Old 02-10-2018, 09:52 AM
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I do think they’re ugly as sin, but beauty is in the eye....
I do NOT think “gimmicky” is an appropriate word for them as I don’t see how they wouldn’t be quite effective for personal defense. “Novelty” might be a better word. .45 long is .45 long. That stops stuff great and small. As for the .410 loads, it’s my understanding that due to the popularity of The Gov and the Taurus version, and probably the derringer type pistols chambered for it too, that many ammo manufacturers have come up with a variety of new loads/designs in the .410 shotshell that really are quite devastating for personal defense. Enjoy.
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They are over large: that huge cylinder necessitated to take 410’s makes an ungainly pistol. These are clumsy guns that can’t realistically be carried much farther than from the car into the range. Certainly not a handy gun to carry.

The huge chamber throats to accommodate 410’s is over sized for 45’s of any sort. The long chambers for 410’s have 45’s rattling down an extraordinarily long unrifled tunnel to get to the barrel and some rifling. This results in significant velocity loss in the only useful ammo available for the gun: 45’s - lc or acp.

The shotgun application is useful for shooting pests at arms length , but so is a 22 pistol. And the 22 is useful at longer ranges.

410’s are marginal in a shotgun: experts’ application but not a good choice for much of anything. Folks who are knowledgeable shooters understand this.

The Governor does nothing well. A 1911 is a much handier platform for a 45, any 22 pistol is a better varnimt gun. The shotgun application is a joke in a stumpy revolver.

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Good hallway gun. I use the Winchester PDX1 .410 rounds, copper discs over BB's. I suspect it'll do the job . . .
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Old 02-10-2018, 10:22 PM
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I took my Governor to the range today for its first road test and Come Away with mixed results. First off when it fired it was very accurate and nice to see, but secondly, I am getting light strikes, failure to fire, especially on the 410 shotgun loads. I am getting about 20% failure with the 45lc , and 50% failure with the 410 shotshell. So I brought it home and try to adjust the main string with the strain screw. Come to find out the strain screw was turned all the way, in as far as it will go, so there is no adjustment I can make with it. I did have in my Supply another strain screw from a Smith & Wesson 686 revolver which is a 16th of an inch longer than the stock strain screw, so I put it in to try it. I don't know if this is a good test or not but I primed up 18 rounds of Long Colt and found the point where the rounds were consistently being fired and had a half of turn extra on the screw, and that's where it stands right now. I have done some research online and this appears to be and issue others have had with this gun and some have sent it back to Smith & Wesson and they put a new firing pin and strain screw in they're gun. Looks like I might be calling Smith & Wesson Monday and seeing what they have to say.

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Old 02-10-2018, 10:25 PM
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Unless you're a gunsmith, just send it back. Or let somebody else shoot it . . .

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I took my Governor to the range today for its first road test and Come Away with mixed results. First off when it fired it was very accurate and nice to see, but secondly, I am getting light strikes, failure to fire, especially on the 410 shotgun loads. I am getting about 20% failure with the 45lc , and 50% failure with the 410 shotshell. So I brought it home and try to adjust the main string with the strain screw. Come to find out the strain screw was turned all the way, in as far as it will go, so there is no adjustment I can make with it. I did have in my Supply another strain screw from a Smith & Wesson 686 revolver which is a 16th of an inch longer than the stock strain screw, so I put it in to try it. I don't know if this is a good test or not but I primed up 18 rounds of Long Colt and found the point where the rounds were consistently being fired and had a half of turn extra on the screw, and that's where it stands right now. I have done some research online and this appears to be and issue others have had with this gun and some have sent it back to Smith & Wesson and they put a new firing pin and strain screw in they're gun. Looks like I might be calling Smith & Wesson Monday and seeing what they have to say.

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I had an extra strain screw from a Smith & Wesson 686 that is a bit longer than the stock screw, and installed it on my governor. Went to the range today and shot 30 Long Colt and 30 ACP and they all shot perfectly. It appears that the strain screw and mainspring combo Smith puts in the revolver is borderline as far as go or no-go firing. I didn't get a chance to shoot any 410 shotshell out of it and maybe we'll attempt tomorrow to do that. This revolver has such a nice trigger on it and so easy to shoot accurately it is silly. Not really overly excited about the 45 ACP, but they do well enough out of this gun. If I loaded up for self-defense I will put in a couple rounds of 410 000 and the rest Long Colt.

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I took my Governor to the range today for its first road test and Come Away with mixed results. First off when it fired it was very accurate and nice to see, but secondly, I am getting light strikes, failure to fire, especially on the 410 shotgun loads. I am getting about 20% failure with the 45lc , and 50% failure with the 410 shotshell. So I brought it home and try to adjust the main string with the strain screw. Come to find out the strain screw was turned all the way, in as far as it will go, so there is no adjustment I can make with it. I did have in my Supply another strain screw from a Smith & Wesson 686 revolver which is a 16th of an inch longer than the stock strain screw, so I put it in to try it. I don't know if this is a good test or not but I primed up 18 rounds of Long Colt and found the point where the rounds were consistently being fired and had a half of turn extra on the screw, and that's where it stands right now. I have done some research online and this appears to be and issue others have had with this gun and some have sent it back to Smith & Wesson and they put a new firing pin and strain screw in they're gun. Looks like I might be calling Smith & Wesson Monday and seeing what they have to say.

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I WOULD CALL S&W, AS YOU PLAN, AND ASK THEM FOR A SHIPPING LABEL. PUT YOUR ORIGINAL STRAIN SCREW BACK IN IT, AND SEND IT BACK. MAKE USE OF YOUR LIFETIME WARRANTY---YOU PAID FOR IT......
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I keep mine next to my side of the bed, ready to go. I've shot 45 LC, 45 ACP and 410 loads thru mine. I even dispatched an ill rabbit with a 410 round. Right now, it is loaded with six rounds of Winchester SXZ 410 (000 buckshot). I even plugged the hole, thanks to Bullseye Smith, and bought round to square butt conversion grip thru S&W's website. I also bought a holster off of the S&W website.
IMHO, ITS AN ATTRACTIVE WEAPON, AS YOU HAVE IT DRESSED OUT, WITH THE S&W GRIPS AND HOLSTER.........

DON'T FORGET TO REMOVE THE PLUG, AND REPLACE THE IL, IF YOU EVER NEED TO SEND IT BACK TO S&W, FOR SERVICE.....
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I love my governor and have never had issues with it. When i worked at the gun store I would sometime carry it OWB in the holster I will show pictured. The hornady triple defense round is loaded x4 with Hornady critical defense .45LC x2. It can be hard to clean due to the black color but I always look at revolvers as tools anyway.
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I have never had any round fail to fire in my governor, and I have done lots of 410's, 45LC and 45 ACP's.
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I don't own a S&W Governor, but I do own a Taurus Judge Magnum which serves as my bedside Home Defense firearm. (I would have gotten a Governor, but sadly S&W doesn't offer a "Magnum" variant with a 3" Cylinder.)

Anyone who calls the Judge or Governor a gimmick or a novelty hasn't seen what they can do when loaded with proper ammo like Federal Premium .410 Handgun 000 Buck...


No other handgun can launch 4 (5 in 3" shells) 9mm/.36 caliber projectiles in a tight pattern with each pull of the trigger for a grand total of 24 (20 out of the Judge, 25 out of the Judge Magnum in 3" shells) with a full cylinder dump.
That's why I always laugh at the Mall Ninjas who try to put down the Judge/Governor by arguing that 5 rounds is insufficient and that a double stack semiautomatic pistol is better. You can't put out that many projectiles anywhere near as fast as you can with a Judge/Governor, much less hope to equal the odds of a one shot stop.

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Unfortunately I had to send back the governor today to Smith & Wesson for repairs. Even though I changed out the strange screw and got it to work I wanted Smith to give it their blessing. So I removed the strain screw I put in and put back the stock screw and send it back to Smith & Wesson today. I have been doing some research online and there are other cases of the governor having misfires due to light strikes and those owners sent theirs back to Smith & Wesson as well and got new firing pins put in them. I could do all that if I wanted to but I thought I would make Smith & Wesson do it and give it the once-over as well.

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I think this will show what the Governor is capable of. This is the results of 45 Colt Cowboy loads at 7 yards. The two outside rounds are part of a group shot double action.
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Oh good, another Governor thread... if only I had a gif of someone eating popcorn

My opinion - there is nothing wrong with the gun. What I've never understood is the large number of people who want to load it with .410 rounds for self defense. I wouldn't use a .410 shotgun for home defense and the ballistics don't get any better out of a 2.75" barrel. If I owned one I'd use .45 Colt or ACP and save the .410s for pest control.
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My opinion - there is nothing wrong with the gun. What I've never understood is the large number of people who want to load it with .410 rounds for self defense. I wouldn't use a .410 shotgun for home defense and the ballistics don't get any better out of a 2.75" barrel. If I owned one I'd use .45 Colt or ACP and save the .410s for pest control.
The exception, in my view, is the triple defense stuff. That .41 Cal slug consistently penetrates 14 inches. The two 9mm balls 13 inches.

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Good shooting! I always shoot double action, its probably how a person would shoot for SD. Well s&w has my governor, hopes to get it back soon.

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I had an extra strain screw from a Smith & Wesson 686 that is a bit longer than the stock screw, and installed it on my governor. Went to the range today and shot 30 Long Colt and 30 ACP and they all shot perfectly. It appears that the strain screw and mainspring combo Smith puts in the revolver is borderline as far as go or no-go firing. I didn't get a chance to shoot any 410 shotshell out of it and maybe we'll attempt tomorrow to do that. This revolver has such a nice trigger on it and so easy to shoot accurately it is silly. Not really overly excited about the 45 ACP, but they do well enough out of this gun. If I loaded up for self-defense I will put in a couple rounds of 410 000 and the rest Long Colt.

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IF YOU HIT HIM CENTER MASS, WITH A FEW ROUNDS OF JHP, IN .45 COLT, OR .45 ACP, YOU WILL RUIN HIS DAY---NO MATTER WHAT ! ! !
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IF YOU ARE LOADING UP FOR S/D, WHY ARE YOU LOADING A COUPLE OF ROUNDS OF .410 ? ? ? YOU ARE NOT LOOKING TO DISPATCH GARDEN PESTS. IF YOU HIT AN ASSAILANT WITH THAT SHOTGUN LOAD, AND HE IS WEARING A HEAVY LEATHER JACKET, OR IS HIGH ON DRUGS, ETC, YOU MAY JUST ANNOY HIM......

IF YOU HIT HIM CENTER MASS, WITH A FEW ROUNDS OF JHP, IN .45 COLT, OR .45 ACP, YOU WILL RUIN HIS DAY---NO MATTER WHAT ! ! !
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I did a couple of rounds of the Hornady Critical Defense slug and two balls while at the range today, I can't shoot anything smaller than 00 buck due to the bullet trap will just bounce it back. At 25 yards the slug hit dead center of the target, one ball dropped about 8 inches and to the left near the edge of the target, the third ball was in the bottom right corner of the target. At 15 yards the slug and two balls were within a foot of each other.
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Due to the context of this thread I am assuming you were using a Smith & Wesson Governor or something comparable. When you are speaking of self-defense situations, I don't usually think of shooting at 25 yards or even 15 yards, but more like 5 yards. At 5 yards I would imagine the ammo you are describing which I have also, would be extremely accurate and do significant damage.

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Had one, sold it, kick got too much for this olde geezer. Used it with .410 self-defense bedside. Last year had banging on my door at 0200...took it with me - bunch of drunk kids had the wrong apartment - sure sounded like they were trying to force entry. I came out with it hanging at my side - they saw it right away and took off running back to their car....looked like a comedy with them all trying to dive in at once - then dug out as fast as they could accelerate their old junker ride. Its looks carry a message. Had it as a bedside revolver.
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I'm amazed that any .410 revolver sells. I agree that it's a novelty item rather than to be taken seriously. When loaded with .410 shells the revolver isn't a superior stopper over a conventional .45 Colt or .45 ACP revolver so the overlong cylinder is a waste of space. The ungainly things have no reason for being other than as a toy. I admire the occasional honest owners who freely admit that it's a novelty and a toy. Snake gun? Hit snakes with a shovel, hoe, rock or a stick. How hard is this?
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You're opinion matters to none. I've killed fast moving snakes and Badgers with mine.

Have fun with your shovel.

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There are a couple purposes for my Governor for me, first it is a moderately fun gun at the range not as much as the 460V but more fun than the 686. The second is that I ride a recumbent trike on shared use trails, one of those trails was recently extended and now runs threw an area that has had mountain lions spotted the last several years. I plan on having it with me in those areas with a couple 410s with rubber buck shot in the cylinder. I figure the noise and stinging balls should be enough to convince one to look elsewhere with minimal risk to the surroundings. But, before that I need to take it to the outside range in town and verify the shot drop off, pattern and effective range with various shot shells.
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I used my Governor for home defense. Loaded with .410 self-defense ammo. The pattern of the shot and discs on cardboard seemed quite effective - particularly for a head shot. Living in a 4 plex apartment with thin walls it seemed a wise choice of ammo to avoid hurting innocent neighbors if something happened. When I got too olde to manage a second shot well I sold the Governor and bought a Mossberg Cruiser pump shotgun in .410 (had the 12 gauge cruiser and it was a bit too much recoil at my age). I'm very confident .410 self-defense loads will do the job in my apartment defense setting.
And, as mentioned above, the large size of the Governor makes evil ones take notice and reconsider.
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I find it sort of amusing that it has been 12 years since the Taurus Judge was released and nearly a decade since ammo manufacturers starting coming out with specialty ammo that has been proven effective in a number of videos against a wide variety of targets including animals where are much tougher to stop than even a drugged up human being, yet still we have ignorant folks who make silly comments like calling it a "toy" and calling .410 Revolvers useless for self-defense.

First of all, anyone who calls a firearm a "toy" automatically loses an argument in my book because anybody who calls something as hazardous as a firearm a "toy" probably shouldn't own one in the first place. I don't care if it's an intentional exaggeration on their part either, guns aren't toys, and anybody who calls a gun a toy (even as an exaggeration) is a fool.

Second, folks who make bold proclamations on subjects they clearly lack any experience in whatsoever ought to keep their mouths shut, especially in regards to subjects as serious as life or death when it comes to selecting a firearm for self-defense. I've seen too many folks get scared away from using .410 Revolvers by people who know nothing about them yet still somehow feel qualified to comment on their effectiveness.
If you can't be bothered to do research on a subject before commenting on it, then perhaps you should at least look up the definition of the following term; Dunning-Kruger Effect. (Ah, but then again, I'm talking to the same people who couldn't even be bothered to click on the video I linked to, so copy/pasting is likely way above their capabilities...)

Lastly, I hear a lot of folks in regards to a variety of firearms immediately label any firearm with limited range as "useless" even when said range is well within the distances in which one would likely find themselves needing to fire, (especially in Home Defense) yet apparently these people must live inside houses the size of football fields and believe that they'd be able to justify shooting someone from 30+ yards away.
Once again, if you'd actually bother doing even the most basic of research, you would find that specialty loads such as Federal Premium .410 Handgun 000 Buck uses Federal's Flight Control wad which enables the shot to hold a tight pattern out to 20 yards, which is well in excess of any distance one would likely find themselves needing to fire their gun, especially in the Home/Vehicle Defense scenarios these weapons were designed for.

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Well, I'd hate to get hit by this:
410 Bore Federal 000 buckshot - YouTube

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They are over large: that huge cylinder necessitated to take 410ís makes an ungainly pistol. These are clumsy guns that canít realistically be carried much farther than from the car into the range. Certainly not a handy gun to carry.

The huge chamber throats to accommodate 410ís is over sized for 45ís of any sort. The long chambers for 410ís have 45ís rattling down an extraordinarily long unrifled tunnel to get to the barrel and some rifling. This results in significant velocity loss in the only useful ammo available for the gun: 45ís - lc or acp.

The shotgun application is useful for shooting pests at arms length , but so is a 22 pistol. And the 22 is useful at longer ranges.

410ís are marginal in a shotgun: expertsí application but not a good choice for much of anything. Folks who are knowledgeable shooters understand this.

The Governor does nothing well. A 1911 is a much handier platform for a 45, any 22 pistol is a better varnimt gun. The shotgun application is a joke in a stumpy revolver.
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Well, I'd hate to get hit by this:
410 Bore Federal 000 buckshot - YouTube
Average Dunning-Kruger Response: "I'll remember that when I get attacked by a block of Gelatin, but what's it do in people?! I don't trust FBI Ballistics Gel Tests because although I have made no attempt at researching such testing to verify its integrity, I'm just arrogant enough to think that I know better than the entirety of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and thus I'm willing to immediately disregard the results of a test that has been in service since the 1980's on the grounds that I disagree with it, plus it conflicts with my preconceived notions of the .410 Bore Shotshell's effectiveness, ergo it must be wrong."

Sadly, no amount of video evidence will ever satisfy the nay-sayers, much less sway them from their belief that .410 Revolvers are anything more than a Novelty firearm.
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To answer Cajunlawer's question no, a 460 will only go about half way in, I had to check since the question was asked.
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For another opinion on the topic of .410 revolvers generally:

The .410 revolver is one of few firearms which incite such conflicting opinions, also being about the only firearm for which the more stridently its defenders enthusiastically champion it and its performance features then the less truly gun savvy they appear to be.

I've fired .410 handguns and handled .410 revolvers. .410 out of a short-barreled handgun is unremarkable. I've yet to see any convincing article, test, YouTube clip, or even a bombastic forum post that convincingly proved that the .410 revolver could even best this 118-year-old Colt New Service Model 1909 in .45 Colt for personal defense and the big ol' Colt is the better handling gun.



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I've seen the damage that the Triple defense does to Badgers when shot. That's all the evidence I need and the governor serves me greatly.

Don't really give a flying **** if people want to hate on it as if they own stock with Smith. Don't like it? Don't buy it. Simple as that.

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Don't get me wrong, I'm by no means pushing .410 Revolvers as the pinnacle of defensive firearms. If someone wants to make a reasonable statement such as that there are (subjectively) better options for Home, Vehicle, and Wilderness Defense, then you'll get no argument from me. Obviously there are more powerful firearms/ammunition out there that will outperform a .410 Revolver in just about every conceivable category, (power, accuracy, capacity, you name it) the .410 Revolver is a sort of jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none firearm that gives you a lot of versatility at the cost of specializing in any specific category.
However, when folks start making absurdly ignorant comments about it being an extremely ineffective novelty gun or especially a toy, that's when I lose my patience.

Can a .410 Revolver match a 12 Gauge Shotgun? Absolutely not, a 12 Gauge Shotgun generally holds more ammo, fires at least 3 more projectiles per shell, and will cause significantly more damage.
Can a .410 Revolver still be an effective defensive firearm? Absolutely so, it's smaller/lighter than any 12 Gauge Shotgun, thus making it much easier to store nearby as well as maneuver around in the dark with, plus it still packs a heck of a punch when using specialty ammo like Federal .410 Handgun 000, which launches 4 (5 in 3" shells) non-expanding .36 caliber (9mm) projectiles per trigger pull, travelling at about 800FPS. These projectiles typically get somewhere between 12-17" of penetration in FBI calibrated Ballistics Gel, and typically generate around 200Ft-lbs of energy each, thus making it the rough equivalent of being shot 4 (5 with 3" shells) times at once with a .380 ACP. Granted that the .380 ACP is generally considered the bare minimum of self-defense cartridges, it has still stopped plenty of attackers with a 2 shot average, and a single Federal .410 Handgun 000 gives you at least double that amount of shots. That may not be outstanding, but is most certainly isn't something that anyone should consider a toy, and if they do, they they probably shouldn't own a firearm, or children for that matter.

In all honesty, a .410 Handgun wasn't my first choice for Home Defense, I simply choice it later down the line because it was the best option for me in my current living situation. My first choice was the tried and true 12 Gauge Pump-Action Shotgun, but as time went by I realized that it wasn't the best choice for me because I lacked the necessary accommodations to safely store even a Mossberg 590 Shockwave nearby in an easily accessible location, much less maneuver around in the dark, cramped hallway/stairwell in my home at night, so I ultimately chose the Taurus Judge Magnum because I could safely store it right at my bedside where it could be grabbed at a moment's notice, not to mention easily maneuvered around inside my home, yet offered a much higher percentage of a one-shot-stop (or at least more wound cavities per shot) than any other handgun.
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Along with the 410 capability we shouldn't forget that it also shoots Hefty 45 Long Colt rounds as well as 45 ACP. Like has been mentioned, the versatility of this revolver is one of its assets. If one thinks that a 45 Long Colt is not a good self defense round for home you are very mistaken.

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Good shooting! I always shoot double action, its probably how a person would shoot for SD. Well s&w has my governor, hopes to get it back soon.

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I'm glad to hear your Governor will be back to you tomorrow. Have fun at the range with it and let us know how it shoots after it's trip back from the mothership.

As for the Governor itself, it isn't a gun I would buy but I think it is a great choice for some folks that want something handy that can shoot either a shotgun shell or pistol cartridge. Different strokes for different folks.
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