Just bit the bullet so to speak to buy on GB this gun. It's what I've wanted for awhile, with supposedly only 300+ units being made. Slab sided, 6 inch barrel with weights, 8 shot, champhered cylinders, pre-lock model number 170095.
This gun came with a letter of authenticity from Lew Horton, which mentions that this particular gun had a bobbed hammer, which was deemed an aftermarket addition. The offered gun however had a normal hammer as seen in the photos.
My question is, should the seller discount the cost because the hammer isn't original? I asked the seller who was super nice and who was selling on a commission to look into this hammer issue.
My question to u guys is should I ask for a reduced price if the hammer isn't forged as original and a MIM replacement?
Thank u in advance
Captain Wayne

To the best of my knowledge a forged hammer has the firing pin on it and a MIM has the firing pin in the frame. They don't interchange. Perhaps the 'bobbed' part is a typo. Best wishes.

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Personally, I'm not aware of any of the original slab sided guns coming with a bobbed hammer, did I read your post correct?
Was the gun from Lew Horton's personal collection? That might explain a bobbed hammer possibly, but who knows... ?
Here's a pic of the original Lew Horton M627 8 shot guns minus the 6" version of the slender slab model.
All the original guns had forged parts.

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wow Smithnut; amazing collection!
I'm guessing that whomever submitted to LH for a letter of authentication, also submitted a photo.
The LH letter states that the bobbed hammer in the pic is not factory, and obviously an aftermarket.
. As I said, the photos with the GB sale show a normal hammer. So somewhere between the gun being new someone added or bobbed the hammer, Then, after the LH letter, and previous to going up on GB, a normal hammer was installed.
I'm just curious if u guys think it would be devalued and to what amount if the hammer ends up being MIM.
Thanks in advance! I also have recently acquired the 627 that is second from the top in your photos. What an amazing weapon to shoot!
Captain Wayne

Sorry guys, second from the bottom, 170089 is the product number I think

The 170089 and 170095 and guns in that series where uncommon, in that they had the look of the old style frame but the firing pins were frame mounted. Look, the frame has the old style replaceable stop stud.

But the hammers.... have no rivets. Because the firing pin isn't on the hammer. And why does the hammer look slightly rebounded, instead of being flush and fully forward? Is it because it is not a normal hammer (or is it because the frame hasn't yet been re-shaped, like the current style of frames?).

I'm not even sure a current production hammer would fit. They look like they are shaped differently. This original "hybrid" transitional hammer & frame was only used for a short period of time on certain Performance Center variations. Bobbed or not, they may be difficult or impossible to replace.

Or am I looking at it all wrong?

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Comparison Pics of later non-PC 627, and a "LHV" prefix PC 627, product code 170095 (a previous owner has had the heavy barrel replaced with a 'slab side' on this particular revolver)

Capatainwayne, if the hammer in your PC 627 looks like this, you'll have no worries about the revolver being "devalued". It should also have an unfluted cylinder

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...compared to a later 627-3.
An early PC627 hammer would be very hard to replace. Be glad that it's not bobbed or broken.

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170095 Is a heavy revolverI have always loved mine. All that steel makes the heaviest recoiling 357 Magnum ammunition feel like next to nothing

Wrong parts are always meant to be used as a bargaining chip in a FTF sale, but if you already won the piece on GB then the deal is done and the terms are set. There is no negotiation after the hammer drops on an auction

However I would not get too worked up buying it AS-IS. That is a tough revolver to find

The top two are both 170089. That takes us back to 1996

I have been shooting the one in the upper left for more than 20 years now. BTW, that one is #27

CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, BECAUSE I AM NOT AN "EXPERT"--BUT IMHO, NO S&W REVOLVERS CAME FROM THE FACTORY WITH BOBBED HAMMERS......

I'M EXCLUDING THE MODIFIED HAMMERS IN SHROUDED J-FRAMES, IN THAT STATEMENT.......

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There have been several notable models made with factory bobbed hammers... Most I recall were either J frames or K frames...

Here are a few K frames...

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I am not an expert either, but I do know of at least one major police agency that had S&W make DAO guns with factory bobbed hammers.

That info is true but none of the PC Hunters came from the factory with bobbed hammers. If his letter states that it had an aftermarket hammer which was subsequently replaced with the original factory hammer then he's back to stock configuration, it's hilarious that the seller wouldn't have just emailed Earl for an updated letter before selling it though.

If it's the one from Keystone, the hammer looks correct in the pics but there's no way to know if that was the original hammer or a replacement of the original type. The price you paid is in line with what they go for in that condition. If you're going to shoot it, then the value is going to drop a bit anyway so nothing to worry about. If you bought it as an investment, it's not going to appreciate much above the sale price any time soon either way.

The one that just sold on gb O.P. if you are referring to that one the trigger is not original and has been altered as mentioned and can also see it has been polished. That hurt the value quite a bit to a collector and hence why it sold for lot less. Another one factory original but still in used condition with some scratchds and scuffs sold month back for around 2800 or 2900. I have seen NIB ones bring 4000. That should let you know the difference between altered a bit to shooter grade to NIB. Either way congrats on finding and super tough and highly desirable 627.



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You guys are amazing! I really appreciate the passion you bring. I found out that the bobbed hammer is included, and that the one on the gun is thought to be original.
I'll pull the side plate, take out the hammer, take a pic or two, and let the experts decide.
My newfound hobby is to buy quality, cool guns that I like, shoot them a bit, and hope that down the road I'll get back close to what I paid.
I think the opportunity to shoot such quality guns has to come with a cost. Loving shooting as much as I do, I may as well shoot the best!
Thanks to all of you in the forum

What are the grips in your Hunter 170095?